An Improved battle and ending to Generations
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An Improved battle and ending to Generations
Improved Generations battle scene.
As goes with the original, Picard beams down to the surface while Geordi is beamed over to the Enterprise with his VISOR compromised.
The battle however is much different. Because Lursa and Betor want to take over the Klingon empire and because they have had various levels of support by rogue Klingons, they have a small fleet rather then just a BoP. This time it is two Vorchas and 3 small BoPs. Lura and Betor decide they want to play with the Enterprise. They have the Vorcha they aren’t on fire on the Enterprise. Instantly Riker realizes what has happened when Worf announces “They have found a way to penetrate our shields” and he orders the shields on a random modulation. Riker then orders a full torpedo spread fired on the Vorcha. Then torpedoes streak out and cause heavy shield damage on the Vorcha that fired on the Enterprise. This catches the Klingon fleet by surprise. They return fire and damage the Enterprises frontal shields.
At this point Riker realizes he can’t win a stand up fight. He orders a 180 EAM (Emergency Action Manuever) turn. While turning the Enterprises phasers lance out and savagely maul the remaining shields on the Vorcha. When the Enterprise’s rear torpedoes come to bear another spread is fired and the Vorcha is torn apart. From here the Enterprise runs. It uses all three of its impulse engines and manages to outrun all but the BoPs. The BoPs give chase. A running battle ensues and the Enterprise suffers moderate damage while taking down the BoPs one by one with sustained phaser fire.
Riker now has to stand and fight the Vorcha. Lursa and Betor are on this Vorcha and they are serisouly pissed. They order full fire on the Enterprise. The Enterprise trades fire on the Vorcha causing moderate damage on the frontal shields. In return the Enterprise has its shields knocked out in the front section and the engineering section takes enough damage to hit the warp core. The ejection system is fubared because of the First Flight galaxy having issues with this system. With the warp core damaged and about to blow the Enterprise saucer section can’t escape even it if were launched. Riker makes the decision that the lives on the Veridian planet are more important then the crew of the ship. Riker must give Picard more time. He launches all his shuttles (to support Picard) then turns to face the Vorcha. He orders ramming speed. The Enterprise closes range on the Vorcha and its warp core detonates just moments before impact. The Vorcha survives the blast but is seriously crippled.
On the ground everything remains the same. Picard ends up getting sucked into the Nexus. Once in the Nexus Picard again goes after Kirk for support. Picard does not like time being changed severly. Rather then going to Ten Forward to stop Soran, Picard wants to stop Soran on the planet. He convinces Kirk to join him. Before they go they grab assaults phasers (ST:5 and 6 phasers) from Kirks house. You see, Kirk was able to change clothing from being on the Enterprise B to when he was in the Nexus. Both Kirk and Picard show up inside of Sorans shield. They have a small pistol fight but they manage to nail Soran. Kirk then beats the crap out of Soran to get the codes to stop the missile.
Of course the space battle went the same. However because Picard and Kirk took care of Soran so quickly, they get beamed up to the Enterprise shortly after Lursa and Betor’s Vorcha damages the Enterprises warp core. Once on the ship Kirk hears Riker mention saucer separation. Kirk asks Picard what that meant. This gives Kirk an idea. Riker and Picard try and discuss their options. Kirk checks a computer station real quick, then heads for the turbo lift to the battle bridge. Just 30 seconds later the computer suddenly announces saucer separation in 5 minutes. Kirk then contacts the bridge and says he is giving them a chance to escape. After the crew get out Kirk takes the battle section and heads straight on to the Vorcha. He takes savage damage to the frontal section, however with sustained torpedo and phaser fire Kirk manages to down the frontal shields to the Vorcha. The battles ection impacts the Vorcha and its warp core detonates at that moment. Both ships go up. Cut to the bridge of the saucer where the bridge crew all stands at attention.
The Nebula class ship, the USS Farragut shows up and tows the saucer section back to Starfleet command. Picard gives his little commentary during this point. Then the scene cuts to a memorial service at Starfleet command. A monument to Kirk that had been built decades earlier has a new date mentioned on it. Then you see the main characters of the Enterprise each standing at attention along with several Starfleet Admirals. A short memorial service is conducted. Also at the service is Scotty and Spock.
In the end you get a much better battle and Kirk makes a proper sacrifice. He dies on the bridge of the Enterprise saving lives. Doing the job he was meant to.
As goes with the original, Picard beams down to the surface while Geordi is beamed over to the Enterprise with his VISOR compromised.
The battle however is much different. Because Lursa and Betor want to take over the Klingon empire and because they have had various levels of support by rogue Klingons, they have a small fleet rather then just a BoP. This time it is two Vorchas and 3 small BoPs. Lura and Betor decide they want to play with the Enterprise. They have the Vorcha they aren’t on fire on the Enterprise. Instantly Riker realizes what has happened when Worf announces “They have found a way to penetrate our shields” and he orders the shields on a random modulation. Riker then orders a full torpedo spread fired on the Vorcha. Then torpedoes streak out and cause heavy shield damage on the Vorcha that fired on the Enterprise. This catches the Klingon fleet by surprise. They return fire and damage the Enterprises frontal shields.
At this point Riker realizes he can’t win a stand up fight. He orders a 180 EAM (Emergency Action Manuever) turn. While turning the Enterprises phasers lance out and savagely maul the remaining shields on the Vorcha. When the Enterprise’s rear torpedoes come to bear another spread is fired and the Vorcha is torn apart. From here the Enterprise runs. It uses all three of its impulse engines and manages to outrun all but the BoPs. The BoPs give chase. A running battle ensues and the Enterprise suffers moderate damage while taking down the BoPs one by one with sustained phaser fire.
Riker now has to stand and fight the Vorcha. Lursa and Betor are on this Vorcha and they are serisouly pissed. They order full fire on the Enterprise. The Enterprise trades fire on the Vorcha causing moderate damage on the frontal shields. In return the Enterprise has its shields knocked out in the front section and the engineering section takes enough damage to hit the warp core. The ejection system is fubared because of the First Flight galaxy having issues with this system. With the warp core damaged and about to blow the Enterprise saucer section can’t escape even it if were launched. Riker makes the decision that the lives on the Veridian planet are more important then the crew of the ship. Riker must give Picard more time. He launches all his shuttles (to support Picard) then turns to face the Vorcha. He orders ramming speed. The Enterprise closes range on the Vorcha and its warp core detonates just moments before impact. The Vorcha survives the blast but is seriously crippled.
On the ground everything remains the same. Picard ends up getting sucked into the Nexus. Once in the Nexus Picard again goes after Kirk for support. Picard does not like time being changed severly. Rather then going to Ten Forward to stop Soran, Picard wants to stop Soran on the planet. He convinces Kirk to join him. Before they go they grab assaults phasers (ST:5 and 6 phasers) from Kirks house. You see, Kirk was able to change clothing from being on the Enterprise B to when he was in the Nexus. Both Kirk and Picard show up inside of Sorans shield. They have a small pistol fight but they manage to nail Soran. Kirk then beats the crap out of Soran to get the codes to stop the missile.
Of course the space battle went the same. However because Picard and Kirk took care of Soran so quickly, they get beamed up to the Enterprise shortly after Lursa and Betor’s Vorcha damages the Enterprises warp core. Once on the ship Kirk hears Riker mention saucer separation. Kirk asks Picard what that meant. This gives Kirk an idea. Riker and Picard try and discuss their options. Kirk checks a computer station real quick, then heads for the turbo lift to the battle bridge. Just 30 seconds later the computer suddenly announces saucer separation in 5 minutes. Kirk then contacts the bridge and says he is giving them a chance to escape. After the crew get out Kirk takes the battle section and heads straight on to the Vorcha. He takes savage damage to the frontal section, however with sustained torpedo and phaser fire Kirk manages to down the frontal shields to the Vorcha. The battles ection impacts the Vorcha and its warp core detonates at that moment. Both ships go up. Cut to the bridge of the saucer where the bridge crew all stands at attention.
The Nebula class ship, the USS Farragut shows up and tows the saucer section back to Starfleet command. Picard gives his little commentary during this point. Then the scene cuts to a memorial service at Starfleet command. A monument to Kirk that had been built decades earlier has a new date mentioned on it. Then you see the main characters of the Enterprise each standing at attention along with several Starfleet Admirals. A short memorial service is conducted. Also at the service is Scotty and Spock.
In the end you get a much better battle and Kirk makes a proper sacrifice. He dies on the bridge of the Enterprise saving lives. Doing the job he was meant to.
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Not bad, although I still think they should have retired Kirk after ST6.
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Agreed. However B&B wanted to shock ST fans with two things. They wanted to blow up the Enterprise and kill Kirk. This is actually a good way to have done it, it would have made this arguably the best TNG movie. They already did a decent job putting elements together with Generations, it just had a few to many problems with the plot and situations.Darth Wong wrote:Not bad, although I still think they should have retired Kirk after ST6.
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The biggest and probably simplest changes would be [1] Worthwhile Klingon accuracy, [2] or better yet better accuracy and evasive maneuvers which don't make Exocet dodging Iranian oil tankers look good.
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Yeah, it's been a few years since I saw it, but why didn't they just blow up his base? That shield of his was tiny; it wouldn't have stood up to a concerted bombardment. Could they not find him, even though his installation was visible to the naked eye?
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Well, that's doubly appropriate for Kirk, since he's not only dying aboard the Enterprise to save it, but he's doing it to fight his personal enemy, the Klingons.
THough the death in the movie was perversely appropriate, that he died buried in prop stones. If only it was the original prop stone, the one that was constantly reused TOS. Live by the sword...
THough the death in the movie was perversely appropriate, that he died buried in prop stones. If only it was the original prop stone, the one that was constantly reused TOS. Live by the sword...
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Maybe it was at the planet's north pole? Those damn unreliable Federation sensors.closet sci-fi fan wrote:They didn't know the location of his base. I'm not sure why they couldn't find him.Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, it's been a few years since I saw it, but why didn't they just blow up his base? That shield of his was tiny; it wouldn't have stood up to a concerted bombardment. Could they not find him, even though his installation was visible to the naked eye?
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Finding it would have taken time to sweep the planets surface. It seems that Soran did something to hide it. That is why they couldn't even detect it with the sensors. To find it would have required a grid pattern mapping sequence and that would take time. Heck, they still didn't find it when the reinforcements showed up. A Shuttle had to find Picard.Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, it's been a few years since I saw it, but why didn't they just blow up his base? That shield of his was tiny; it wouldn't have stood up to a concerted bombardment. Could they not find him, even though his installation was visible to the naked eye?
The above lists why they couldn't destroy it, they didn't know where it was.
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Thats the whole point. You have to look at what Kirk is really good at. How can you maximize his sacrafice? Just like it was saddening to watch Spock die saving the crew, I could easily see Kirk going out in a blaze of glory. Having a nice memorial afterwards with the two surviving members of Kirks crew just adds to it. The other aspect to make people feel sad about the whole thing is the way in which the Enterprise is destroyed, and we get to see it twice. Beyond that the rest is just clever packaging made to both look good and be realistically done.Aya wrote:*wipes eyes* I just got something in my eyes.
Seriously, that was beautiful.
Had B&B used this, Riker wouldn't be considered an idiot. Generations would probably be considered the best TNG movie of all time. We get to see a wonderful space battle. All sorts of continuity is tied to TNG and TOS at the same time. In short it would have absolutely blown everyone away.
B&B wanted to shock everyone. Their two primary goals were to kill Kirk and the Enterprise. They took a basic story plot that was worth while, but their execution of the second half of the movie just didn't work out like it should have. Improving and altering Kirks death to coincide with an incredible space battle and the ultimate sacrafice would have tied the whole idea of the movie together into one neat and very well laid out package.
Not only does Kirk die to save the lives of milions, he does it on the bridge of the Enterprise going up in a blaze of glory. That is the best thing that can happen to Kirk.
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Re: An Improved battle and ending to Generations
And McCoy.Alyeska wrote: Also at the service is Scotty and Spock.
Re: An Improved battle and ending to Generations
If Bones lived that long. He was over 100 as of the start of TNG. But you do have a good point. These were Kirks best friends really.Baron Mordo wrote:And McCoy.Alyeska wrote: Also at the service is Scotty and Spock.
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"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."