SDN World 3 Commentary Thread III

[RogueIce]

I don't know about actually writing a full report, but in essence it will conclude that there is no real evidence linking the British government to the crime. It is circumstancial, at best.

The tribunal about Gibraltar will happen later. I imagine me and Thanas will need to coordinate on this part.

[loomer]

I'm not actually back in. I'm just throwing Afghanistan's meager forces into the field as an NPC with the odd post from me.

Also, the PRA is now a brutal dictatorship, but that's not a surprise when the man who machinegunned protesting women gets into power.

[Thanas]

Everyone: Please vote in this poll and make your opinion known.

[Thanas]

BTW, I have decided that no nation involved in the current crisis will get a mobilization bonus because war actually never happened, so it would be unfair for the nations to get one.

[Master_Baerne]

Seems fair. A mobilization in case of war would lack the urgency of a proper war mobilization.

[Thanas]

Alright, so here is my final storyline idea for SDNW3. It does only marginally involve Germany.

It is more or less about the Nordic Union, Poland and the USSR. The first two planned a war over Finland and the Ukraine ever since the start of the game and I've written the NPC build queues to reflect that. Both are at their utmost height in militarization and currently enjoy about a 2:1 advantage to the USSR in every field.
With Germany stating not to wage a war of aggression against them without the unanimous consent of all Alliance nations (which will not happen, as most Alliance members have no stake in the USSR like Germany does), their western frontier is secure and they can now take on Russia. They also have to take on Russia now or otherwise the Russian juggernaught will have finished modernizing and start to overtake them, the massive Russian population etc..

So my plan calls for an invasion of the USSR by Poland and the Nordic Union, mainly a land blow from Poland, helped by insurrections in the Baltic states and in Finland. The Nords will try to invade Finland and march for Murmansk and Leningrad, though the main emphasis will be on Belorussia, the Baltics and the Ukraine. As the Nords also planned amphibious landings (Czechmate already made a post about that a looong time ago), they will also try to land troops in the Baltics and (much smaller operation) in Finland.

The goal is to reach the Ukraine, Moscow and Leningrad. Germany will stay neutral, though it will allow volunteers and give arms to the soviets (after all, loosing the Soviet raw materials and oil would be a bit much and Germany and the Soviets have a pact detailing this sort of thing). I suspect the Balkans and Byzantium wil do the same.

I'd like to hear some comments on this so I can plan this out in advance. How your countries would react etc. would be most helpful. I really would like to know where you stand on this before I write anything. I'll hold on with writing the storyposts until tomorrow or sunday evening to allow for comments etc.

[loomer]

Well, Afghanistan and the USSR have some pretty significant ties post-Manchurian and Shepistani conflicts, so they'd get involved by sending some of their infantry and a lot of their artillery north, as well as sending their biological warfare experts back to Russian territories.

I can't see them sending more than 1/4th of the infantry and 2/3rds of the artillery, though, and precious little of their airforce beyond maybe one of the carrier Zeps. Most of the infantry would be officially there for 'internal security' reasons like the two divisions sent during the Manchurian war were, but if those security needs happened to be in the line of advance Kabul wouldn't complain, especially not now that Fahad is in power - he's about as pro-Soviet as you can get without actually being one, and a militarist bastard.

[Ryan Thunder]

BTW, I have decided that no nation involved in the current crisis will get a mobilization bonus because war actually never happened, so it would be unfair for the nations to get one.

I'm not sure that I'd want a mobilization bonus without genuine cause for it anyway. Don't they damage your economy afterwards?

[Ryan Thunder]

How your countries would react

Badly. Colombia would be willing to actively assist with weapons and equipment. Of course, other than that, there's not much they could do.

[Agent Sorchus]

Sudan would be gleeful. They have excess food and excess oil and have hoped for an excuse to try to corner the European market. Covert support for Russia in an attempt to make the war last a long time.

[Lonestar]

The Grand Dominion would help bankroll a Manchu push to the rear, if Beo is interested.

[Beowulf]

The Grand Dominion would help bankroll a Manchu push to the rear, if Beo is interested.

I was thinking more giving aid to the Warsaw Pact (and very overtly), and seeing what reaction the USSR would have. Naturally, the frontier would be on alert for Soviet perfidy with regard to the borders, once again, and if the USSR tried anything, then I'd be going towards Baikal. My aid would likely be in the form of men and material. That is to say, existing formations of men given volunteer pins and sent by boat to Sweden.

[Master_Baerne]

I'm predicting substantial numbers of French volunteers with more-or-less overt government support, but not a formal war - The government likes peace, but the people like their Soviet Socialiast brethren.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

One would expect that Byzantium and Sarajevo would actively support the USSR again, and isn't against upping the ante if required.

[Steve]

Honestly, I regard this as silly and unfeasible, especially considering Mahan's change of government that removed Czechmate's hardcore expansionists. I find it a ludicrous stretch to imagine the Nordic Union going to war in these geopolitical circumstances, with Britain marginalized in Europe and a Soviet-friendly German leading a European Alliance that includes Socialist-governed France, plus the clear pro-Soviet attitudes of the Aegean Axis.

If you really want a war storyline to take place in Eastern Europe, Thanas, have it as a final result of the Far Eastern Peace, with the "attack Manchuria" camp and the "peace" camp coming to blows and beginning to rip the Soviet Union apart in civil war. Then, yeah, I can see the Nordics and Poles marching east after it's clear the USSR is collapsing.

[Thanas]

If you really want a war storyline to take place in Eastern Europe, Thanas, have it as a final result of the Far Eastern Peace, with the "attack Manchuria" camp and the "peace" camp coming to blows and beginning to rip the Soviet Union apart in civil war. Then, yeah, I can see the Nordics and Poles marching east after it's clear the USSR is collapsing.

I already had some of that, a sort of small civil war is already taking place in Russia. However, I find a central collapse of the USSR extremely unlikely, for various reasons. Civil war in Ukraine, Finland and the Baltics, sure, (in fact this is a prerequisite for the invasion) but not central heartland Russia. Why not? Because the hardliners already fled to Germany and other states and Stalin is not in power in this timeline, with the soviets being a lot less dictatorial than they were in OTL.

[Siege]

I stated this in private to the Axis members but I'll state it here out in the open as well: I've lost all interest in this game, and don't intend to actively participate in it anymore, especially not now that the much more interesting and infinitely more promising 4th game is gearing up for its start. My overall impression of game 3 can best be summed up as 'massive failure to deliver on its potential', especially when measured against its predecessor.

[DarthShady]

I stated this in private to the Axis members but I'll state it here out in the open as well: I've lost all interest in this game, and don't intend to actively participate in it anymore, especially not now that the much more interesting and infinitely more promising 4th game is gearing up for its start. My overall impression of game 3 can best be summed up as 'massive failure to deliver on its potential', especially when measured against its predecessor.

What he said.

Its dead, lets move on to better things.

[Thanas]

I'll write out the rest of my storylines and that will be it for me as well.

[Lonestar]

Lonestar will write a postscript that takes place in the late '40s/early '50s involving BBGs and nukes

[Thanas]

^We should coordinate on that then as soon as the storylines are over. Note that any nuking of states will cause Q to fix any problem as well as make a lot of heads explode.

[CmdrWilkens]

I'm gonna get the "Nicaraguan Canal" opens post up and running then throw it out for perusal..and that will cap my slowly dying participation.

[Thanas]

I'm gonna get the "Nicaraguan Canal" opens post up and running then throw it out for perusal..and that will cap my slowly dying participation.

Could you wait with posting until I have finished writing the Soviet Civil war/invasion?

[loomer]

Twenty years post-game the Afghani spies will finally get the order to make their move. Tragically, the order will be poorly coded and instead of shooting the leading government figures, they will shout at them and be arrested for making a nuisance. And that'll be the end of my lot as well.

[Ryan Thunder]

Heh. Nuclear Colombia*.

*Nuclear-Powered Colombia