The Borg To Appear On 'Enterprise'!!!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-20 02:27pm

TheDarkling wrote:Wasn't pre-BOBW knowledge of the Borg already in existence from Voyager.

The Hansens had heard of the Borg (as had the Federation to a degree) before BOBW, in fact the Hansens even had a model of a cube ship before going on their mission.

Frankly this continuity ship has already sailed its just nobody noticed the error (or I missed something).

When did they start their research?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-20 02:38pm

neoolong wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:Wasn't pre-BOBW knowledge of the Borg already in existence from Voyager.

The Hansens had heard of the Borg (as had the Federation to a degree) before BOBW, in fact the Hansens even had a model of a cube ship before going on their mission.

Frankly this continuity ship has already sailed its just nobody noticed the error (or I missed something).
When did they start their research?

I believe the Hanson's were assimilated by the borg 18 years before the events of 'Raven' which is pre-TNG.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-20 02:42pm

According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-02-20 02:42pm

Woo B&B is playing this game:

http://195.92.224.73/j20/content/host.asp

Pissing all over the plaze

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-20 02:44pm

TheDarkling wrote:According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.

Alright, that's just dumb.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-02-20 02:50pm

TheDarkling wrote:According to startrek.com they were assimilated about 8 years before TNG started.

they were assimilated 8 years before tng but going with the borg 100 years before Kirk its just screwing things up.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-20 03:07pm

"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-20 03:11pm

RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?

Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-20 03:17pm

OK i'm confused so Trek time lines are telling us that they Knew of the Borg before Q made the formal introduction but the federation did nothing untill they actually carved a hole in the E-D's saucer. Ok so either the Federation is the victim of bad writters or assholes in command of the whole shebang.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-20 03:19pm

TheDarkling wrote:
RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.

But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-20 03:19pm

Darth Pounder wrote:OK i'm confused so Trek time lines are telling us that they Knew of the Borg before Q made the formal introduction but the federation did nothing untill they actually carved a hole in the E-D's saucer. Ok so either the Federation is the victim of bad writters or assholes in command of the whole shebang.

Basically B&B already destroyed continuity on this issue this is just wave two of the destruction.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-20 03:21pm

RedImperator wrote:
TheDarkling wrote:
RedImperator wrote:"Generations" pissed all over Borg continunity, too. Or are we to believe that not one of Guinan's people mentioned the Borg to anyone in the Federation, or that nobody in the Federation asked who they were running from?
Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?

Obviously none of them answered for the same reasons Guinan didn't before we found out or they simply said an alien race attacked but they don't really know much about them.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-20 03:27pm

TheDarkling wrote:
RedImperator wrote:
TheDarkling wrote: Well we knew that Guinan had been in the Federation for a while and not mentioned it so that doesn't really cause any extra problems.
But she might have just come in on her own and not mentioned it for fear of mucking around with the timeline or destiny or somesuch thing ("Yesterday's Enterprise" demonstrated just how much insight she has into fourth-dimentional affairs). But hundreds of alien refugees show up in the Federation and nobody asks about it? Or they do ask, and none of them answer?
Obviously none of them answered for the same reasons Guinan didn't before we found out or they simply said an alien race attacked but they don't really know much about them.

That's pretty thin. One person not saying anything I can believe. Hundreds of them, that's doubtful. Are you saying the Federation wasn't curious? Didn't interrogate any of them? That they all had an identical lie prepared? Either Generations violates continunity or it badly strains credibility, and with it, suspension of disbelief.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-02-20 03:33pm

Well they weren't numbering in the hundreds after the Nexus got its shot at them and we always knew Guinan wasn't the only one of her kind in Federation space - its a continuity error to a degree but it existed before Generations.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-02-20 04:18pm

only thing i have to say is....

DAAAOOMMNN!!

Tell you the truth, i knew it would happen, Enterprise is just Voyager 1.5

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-20 04:49pm

I refuse to believe it. Its got to be a joke. I just cant accept it. Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-20 05:27pm

Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.

In a IQ contest between a Rock and B&B
I'd put my money on the rock

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2003-02-20 05:27pm

ahhh, but B&B CAN be that stupid.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-20 05:54pm

Defiant wrote:I refuse to believe it. Its got to be a joke. I just cant accept it. Even B&B couldn't be that stupid.

You know about betting the over/under? Never take the over when you're betting on B&B's IQ or artistic talent.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-02-20 06:00pm

Alyeska wrote:Eh, people... There is no continuity problem here. We have a handful of Drones discovered, a mess ensues, but eventually things are taken care of. Who these people are is never trully discovered and eventually this entire event is forgotten. Then centuries later Q has fun with the Enterprise-D and now they face a Cube and get REAL information on the Borg.

This actually has good continuity to it. It directly ties itself with an alrady established fact from First Contact.

They did the same exact thing with that Ferengi epsiode. A handful of Ferengi show up, a mess ensues, but eventually everything is taken care of, and the event is forgotten...

It didnt work with the Ferengi, and it sure wont work with the Borg.

The show is only in its second season and they are already rehashing their own story ideas....

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-20 06:16pm

I would liek to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-20 06:18pm

I would liek to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!

Probably everyone invovled in TOS, TNG and probably DS9

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-20 06:18pm

Sorry about the typo. I was trying to say like.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-02-20 06:19pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:I would like to offically declare the Enterprise can't be canon. Who is with me?!

Count me in.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-20 06:22pm

TNG and DS9 need to remain, but everything else goes. I just want to keep FC at the very least.