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Update: Wal-Mart Black Friday Employee Death

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The death of a Wal-Mart employee via trampling in a crowd surge on Black Friday, 2008 - that is, the day after the American Thanksgiving holiday - was first noted in this thread

Is anyone surprised Wal-Mart is resisting paying a fine? How about spending over 2 million to contest a $7,000 fine?

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Wal-Mart Stores has spent a year and more than a million dollars in legal fees battling a $7,000 fine that federal safety officials assessed after shoppers trampled a Wal-Mart employee to death at a store on Long Island on the day after Thanksgiving in 2008.

The mystery, federal officials say, is why Wal-Mart is fighting so hard against such a modest fine.

It is not as if Wal-Mart has not already taken action to address any missteps and prevent another such accident. Three weeks before the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration ordered the fine, Wal-Mart, seeking to avoid criminal charges, reached a settlement with the Nassau County, N.Y., district attorney that called for the company to adopt new crowd management techniques in all 92 of its stores in New York State. At the time, Wal-Mart also agreed to create a $400,000 fund for customers injured in the stampede and to donate $1.5 million to various community programs in Nassau County.

More recently, the company announced improved crowd-control policies for all its United States stores to try to prevent such an accident from happening again.

But in fighting the federal fine, Wal-Mart is arguing that the government is improperly trying to define “crowd trampling” as an occupational hazard that retailers must take action to prevent.

Wal-Mart’s all-out battle against the relatively minor penalty has mystified and even angered some federal officials. In contesting the penalty, Wal-Mart has filed 20 motions and responses totaling nearly 400 pages and has spent at least $2 million on legal fees, according to OSHA’s calculations.

The dispute has become so heated — and Wal-Mart’s defense so vigorous — that officials at OSHA, an arm of the Labor Department, complain that they have had to devote huge numbers of staff time to the case, including 4,725 hours of work by employees in the legal office.

The company has made so many demands that Labor Department officials said they would not discuss the case except on condition of anonymity because they feared being subpoenaed about their discussions with a reporter.

On Wednesday, the dispute will reach a climax of sorts: Wal-Mart’s lawyers are scheduled to contest the fine before a federal appeals commission.

OSHA levied the $7,000 fine in response to the death of Jdimytai Damour, a 34-year-old temporary employee, who died from asphyxiation when a stampede of post-Thanksgiving shoppers at a Wal-Mart store in Valley Stream, N.Y., busted through the doors and trampled him just before the store’s 5 a.m. scheduled opening. The crowd, estimated at 2,000 people, had been lined up for hours near a handwritten sign that said “Blitz Line Starts Here.”

In May 2009, OSHA accused Wal-Mart of failing to provide a place of employment that was “free from recognized hazards.” Specifically, the agency said the company violated its “general duty” to employees by failing to take adequate steps to protect them from a situation that was “likely to cause death or serious physical harm” because of “crowd surge or crowd trampling.”

Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, says that regulators are trying to enforce a vague standard of protection when there was no previous OSHA or retail industry guidance on how to prevent what it views as an “unforeseeable incident.”

“OSHA wants to hold Wal-Mart accountable for a standard that was neither proposed nor issued at the time of the incident,” said David Tovar, a Wal-Mart spokesman. “The citation has far-reaching implications for the retail industry that could subject retailers to unfairly harsh penalties and restrictions on future sales promotions.”

Saying the company remains saddened by Mr. Damour’s death, Mr. Tovar added, “We have never had a tragedy like that in our stores, and we never want it to happen again. We are committed to learning from the incident and making our stores even safer for our customers and our associates. And we have done so.”

OSHA officials acknowledge that the agency is seeking to establish for the first time that an unruly crowd is an occupational hazard that can cause death or serious injury — and that employers must therefore develop plans to protect workers against such a hazard.

But federal officials say that in its settlement with Nassau County prosecutors, Wal-Mart had in effect already admitted that it had that responsibility and agreed to three years of monitoring. So OSHA officials question why the retailer is putting up such a fight.

OSHA officials also note that the National Retail Federation issued detailed new guidelines last fall called, “Effective Crowd Management: Guidelines on how to maintain the safety and security of your customers, employees and store.”

In its settlement with Nassau County prosecutors, Wal-Mart did not admit any wrongdoing.

“They don’t want to take responsibility realistically for what they did,” said Kenneth M. Mollins, a lawyer who represented an injured Valley Stream customer who sued Wal-Mart. “They paid all the money to settle with the district attorney to prevent a potential indictment.”

Wal-Mart officials worry that if the OSHA Review Commission upholds the $7,000 penalty and concludes that surging crowds are an occupational hazard, then OSHA will then be free to look over Wal-Mart’s shoulder whenever it has a big sale to make sure that it has taken adequate steps to control crowds.

The company is also concerned that it could face far larger fines if OSHA ever concluded that it again violated its crowd-control responsibilities. Under OSHA rules, $7,000 is the maximum fine for a serious violation, but it can impose a $70,000 fine for a willful violation.

Labor Department officials complain that over the last five months 17 percent of the available attorney hours in the department’s New York office have been devoted to the case, consuming the equivalent of five full-time lawyers.

OSHA officials say they have rarely seen a company mount such a huge and expensive defense to a fine of less than $10,000.

Wal-Mart has filed motions that sought to block the penalty by claiming inconsistent enforcement by OSHA and by questioning the constitutionality of using the “general duty” clause in this case. Wal-Mart also sought to subpoena witnesses to explore the exact cause of Mr. Damour’s death when OSHA said the main issue was the unmanageable crowd.
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It's this part, here:
The company is also concerned that it could face far larger fines if OSHA ever concluded that it again violated its crowd-control responsibilities.
Once they pay the fine and tacitly admit guilt, it becomes a precedent, and from then on any other crowd-related injury to a worker can be fined, or the worker (or his/her survivors) can sue big-time.

Someone in Wal-Mart's legal department saw this looming and it was decided that the money spent now will be trivial compared to what they could be facing if this is allowed to stand.

The fact that it is also bogging down a hated government regulatory agency in tar-baby tactics is just icing on the cake.
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I wish that I wasn't already boycotting Wal-Mart, so that I could start boycotting them...
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I figured they'd have more concerns over setting precedent with this case when it came to paying over a million bucks contesting such a paltry fine. Given this firm exploits wage slaves and did take out death insurance (sure ain't life insurance) on them to the detriment of their loved ones, this doesn't surprise me.

Yay consumerism. Can't wait for more Black Friday bargains. Deals to die for, it seems.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: and did take out death insurance (sure ain't life insurance) on them to the detriment of their loved ones, this doesn't surprise me.
What's up with that? Do you mean that the insurance that Wal-Mart took out in some way prevents the families from collecting whatever insurance the deceased may have had? Or does Wal-Mart just make themselves the beneficiaries and leave the family out in the cold?
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Kanastrous wrote:I wish that I wasn't already boycotting Wal-Mart, so that I could start boycotting them...
I have actually begun my boycott of boycotting my boycott of wal-mart.


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What's up with that? Do you mean that the insurance that Wal-Mart took out in some way prevents the families from collecting whatever insurance the deceased may have had? Or does Wal-Mart just make themselves the beneficiaries and leave the family out in the cold?
I vaguely recall that it's something along the lines of they get first dibs on any life insurance payouts, whatever the source, yeah.
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So the employee chooses the insurer, pays the premiums and is responsible for the policy, with no input or contribution from Wal-Mart...and Wal-Mart gets a taste of the payout?

Bizarre.
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Kanastrous wrote:So the employee chooses the insurer, pays the premiums and is responsible for the policy, with no input or contribution from Wal-Mart...and Wal-Mart gets a taste of the payout?

Bizarre.
Basically. The company gets to make more money off a dead employee, while the family doesn't even know of it. You can imagine this leaves few incentives to keep employees fit and healthy all the time. Though apparently Wal-Mart doesn't do this now.
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Did Wal-Mart compel the employees to put Wal-Mart down as a beneficiary...? How else could Wal-Mart position itself to receive payouts off a policy that they had zero part in establishing?

Or is this Wal-Mart taking out policies on its employees, itself? That would still be kind of sleazy but at least a bit easier to understand...
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If it is insurance the employee chose, bought and paid for I don't see any way Wal-Mart could compel the employee to list Wal-Mart as beneficiary.

But if Wal-Mart purchased the insurance, as an "employee benefit", sure, they could have themselves listed first.
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Kanastrous wrote:I wish that I wasn't already boycotting Wal-Mart, so that I could start boycotting them...
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Kanastrous wrote:Did Wal-Mart compel the employees to put Wal-Mart down as a beneficiary...? How else could Wal-Mart position itself to receive payouts off a policy that they had zero part in establishing?

Or is this Wal-Mart taking out policies on its employees, itself? That would still be kind of sleazy but at least a bit easier to understand...
Yes, it's Wal-Mart taking out the policies. It's pejoratively called "dead peasant insurance." Wikipedia has a decent write-up here. The origin comes from companies taking out insurance policies on key individuals (CEO, chief research scientist, etc.) whose death might severely affect their profits as a way of hedging their bets. Companies then realized that even if the policy didn't pay out, it could serve as a profit source by leveraging the premiums for these policies and then taking them as tax deductions. This practice was cracked down on by some reform laws in the 90s (see above link), but the main reform was to strictly limit the absolute amount per policy that could be tax-deductible. Hence, companies started taking out smaller policies on a great many employees. Dead peasant insurance.

I don't see anything really morally wrong about it. The company isn't making a profit from the pay-out if an employee dies, and no one has ever said that they are. The people who campaign against this sort of thing operate on outrage and implication, and "IT'S SO MACABRE," as blatant an appeal to emotion as can be made. Psychic_sandwich's complete misunderstanding of the details is a pretty clear indicator that some people fall for it, though.
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At a gut level I find it kind of sleazy, myself. But I can't think offhand of any way in which it actually harms the employees or their heirs, if that's how it's done...
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Yeah. It certainly sounds somehow morally repugnant when you summarize it. "WalMart takes out small life insurance policies on menial employees and lists itself as beneficiary." But when you actually look at what they're doing and why, it's not evil, or at least, no more evil than any other company which sees a profit center in arcane tax deductions and proceeds to utilize it.
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I may be wrong but doesn't Walmart continue to pay on those life insurance policies even after the employee stops working for them?
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Terralthra wrote:Yeah. It certainly sounds somehow morally repugnant when you summarize it. "WalMart takes out small life insurance policies on menial employees and lists itself as beneficiary." But when you actually look at what they're doing and why, it's not evil, or at least, no more evil than any other company which sees a profit center in arcane tax deductions and proceeds to utilize it.
Right, at the behest of dicking over the employees still and causing the Feds to start clamping down on it to the point Wal-Mart doesn't do it any more.. So it's acceptable, because it's no better or worse than any other dickish corporate practice.

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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Terralthra wrote:Yeah. It certainly sounds somehow morally repugnant when you summarize it. "WalMart takes out small life insurance policies on menial employees and lists itself as beneficiary." But when you actually look at what they're doing and why, it's not evil, or at least, no more evil than any other company which sees a profit center in arcane tax deductions and proceeds to utilize it.
Right, at the behest of dicking over the employees still and causing the Feds to start clamping down on it to the point Wal-Mart doesn't do it any more.. So it's acceptable, because it's no better or worse than any other dickish corporate practice.

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How exactly is it "dicking over the employees"?

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I seem to be reading two different things in this thread. On one hand, insurance payouts to the families of the dead employee are skimmed by Walmart (Valdemar and co). On the other hand, Walmart takes out insurance on their employees by their own accord to collect tax deductions and the payout when they die which have nothing whatsoever about giving money to the employee's family (Terralthra).

The first is certainly despicable and the second is a good business sense.

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I think Terralthra indicated that the former is a misunderstanding and the latter is what they really do.
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Yes. Still waiting for Admiral Valdemar to explain how it's "dicking over the employees," but I don't really expect him to back up his words.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Terralthra wrote:Yeah. It certainly sounds somehow morally repugnant when you summarize it. "WalMart takes out small life insurance policies on menial employees and lists itself as beneficiary." But when you actually look at what they're doing and why, it's not evil, or at least, no more evil than any other company which sees a profit center in arcane tax deductions and proceeds to utilize it.
Right, at the behest of dicking over the employees still and causing the Feds to start clamping down on it to the point Wal-Mart doesn't do it any more.. So it's acceptable, because it's no better or worse than any other dickish corporate practice.

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Hillary wrote: I don't get this AV. How does the employee lose on this? I can't see any downside here.

It's simple. It's being used as a way to avoid paying the Treasury money owed in the premiums and the net benefits at the end of it, one of the reasons the IRS clamped down on the practice's payouts. So really, it's not the employees per se, but the public in general. There was also the issue with Enron executives having their personal wealth supported by this programme, while their employees lost out, especially when their 401(k) was wiped out after the debacle associated with that company.

There is a case to be made to outlaw such practice, unlike "key man" insurance which was mentioned up thread. Especially if the funds are going to be slanted purely towards padding the accounts of people already very well off. My problem with this form of tax avoidance (some would argue evasion given its history in law) is the same behind tax cuts to the rich when the poor are ignored.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: Especially if the funds are going to be slanted purely towards padding the accounts of people already very well off.
Seems to me that the degree of well-off-edness of the beneficiaries is irrelevant to whether or not the practice is/should be legal.

You're wealthy! This insurance scheme is wrong because it makes you more wealthy!

You over there - well, you don't fit my definition of 'wealthy...' so it's not so bad if *you* do it.
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Legal =! moral.

And I'm not alone on this board in condemning CEOs and other corporate heads in making more cash off the rest of the country's least well off. Where have you been the last two years? In any case, the IRS' actions in recent years support my stance, and Wal-Mart, among others, stopping this practice speaks for itself.

Additionally, these policies are illegal in many states to take out these policies without the knowledge of the employee.
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