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The Cost of Being Jewish
How the recession affects religion.

It sounds like a Catskills-era joke with a Jewish lawyer in the punchline, but among Jewish leaders it’s deadly serious. Why does it cost so much to be Jewish? At a time when American families are tightening household budgets, does it really make sense to continue to charge thousands of dollars to participate in Jewish life? “Sheer institutional survival now preoccupies the heads of Jewish institutions,” wrote Jack Wertheimer in Commentary in March.

American Jews are always worrying about the fate of American Jewry, of course. Intermarriage rates, hovering around 50 percent, are perennially cited as the prime factor in Jews’ inevitable extinction; and in The New York Review of Books last month, the journalist Peter Beinart argued that unless “establishment Jewry” made room for Jewish dissent about Israel, it would wake up to find “a mass of secular Jews who range from apathetic to appalled.” But on the day-to-day level, the high cost of the basics—synagogue membership, in particular—is troubling, both outdated as a business model and onerous to families having to choose between Hebrew school and math tutoring. A 2005 study put the average yearly synagogue membership at $1,100—but in big cities, fees can be twice or even three times as much (and, anecdotally at least, higher than churches, which often depend on voluntary donations rather than dues). At the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue (italics mine) on Manhattan’s Upper West Side, Rabbi Ammiel Hirsch says dues are “consistent with everyone else’s,” about $3,100 a year. (He, like virtually all rabbis, vows never to turn someone away for an inability to pay.)

Beinart’s piece created major blogosphere buzz, but Wertheimer’s gave chills to professional Jews everywhere. It focused mostly on the plight of the Orthodox, more likely to be poor than Conservative or Reform Jews, and who, because of their strong commitment, often pay more. According to his calculations, an Orthodox Jewish family with three children could expect to spend between $50,000 and $110,000 a year on school fees, synagogue dues, summer camps, and kosher food. He argued that the fate of American Jewry rested on increased and enthusiastic support from philanthropists and activists to enable these families to live, as he would say, “Jewishly.”

I would argue otherwise. In 2008, 2.7 million Americans called themselves religiously Jewish, down from 3.1 million in 1990. Wouldn’t the central challenge of American Jewry be to encourage the broadest range of people (including the intermarried, like me) to identify as Jewish and to raise Jewish kids? Costly barriers to entry need to be taken away, or, at least, reimagined. “We have this very bizarre pay-to-play philosophy,” says Jay Sanderson, president of the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles. Christian churches, Sanderson points out, begin with an invitation to prayer; they ask for money later. “The Jewish community’s first instinct is ‘give us money,’ instead of ‘come in.’ ” Sanderson points to the wild success of the Chabad movement, the black-clad proselytizers who stand on street corners worldwide, extending invitations to Jewish passersby. Come pray with us, they say; come eat with us. “Chabad,” says Sanderson, “is working on the Christian model.”

It would be a mistake to assume that Jewish success depends on emulating Christians. Throughout the 20th century, as Jews became prosperous, they built massive synagogues and community centers. Many looked like churches, with stained-glass windows and organ pipes; their pews were full of Jews who had, in a very real sense, nowhere else to go. The country clubs wouldn’t have them; their community, religious, and social life revolved around the temple. Today, American Jews have all kinds of choices about where to spend time and money—Jews no longer need a Jewish pool to swim in—and the buildings have become a burden. “The bills are very high,” says Arnold Eisen, chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York, who paid $4,000 this year in temple dues. “People need sacred spaces, but when you’re looking at budgets, you’re looking at heat and air conditioning.”

Eisen believes that money questions will force a painful transition in American Judaism. He agrees that the “middle group is in play” and so is seeking to reduce costs to families through something like corporate downsizing: making alliances across denominations, sharing spaces, rabbis, and staff. “Jews have been around for a long time,” says Eisen. “We’ll adjust.”
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The idea that - once you posit a creator God who cares about individuals and is interested in their rituals and prayers - you should have to pay $$$ for the privilege of groveling unto said God has always disgusted me. Usually it seems that tough economic times just drive believers further into the crazy, but maybe if one's religion is expensive enough, sanity might begin to rear its head strictly as a consequence of financial survival...

...or not.

Boy howdy, I sure hope that membership dues paid to religious operations aren't tax-deductible...but they probably are.
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As the author mentioned, in America today, a synagogue (temple/shul/whatever) has a lot more functions than just sacred worship space. They function as community centers, schools, etc. Sometimes you see Christian (esp Roman Catholic) churches with attached schools (though I'd argue that there are just as many stand alone RC schools that aren't tied to a specific parish), but for the most part not.

I think that, even 2000 years ago, synagogues weren't just for worship, but so much of modern American Jewish life, ISTM, has gone the opposite direction, so that actual worship seems to be pretty down on the list, and supporting the wide range of (entirely laudable) Jewish philanthropic causes and community centers seems to be a bit higher.

I suppose that's part of the appeal of Chabad-they aren't focused on institutional empires as much as spirituality and worship.
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Yeah, the author acknowledges that in earlier times synagogues were little enclosed ghettos for people unwelcome elsewhere.

The decreasing pressures of prejudice and ostracism have done a lot of damage to efforts to maintain 'the Jewish identity.' Here's to further decreases.

I will admit that an evening with the Chabad types is usually a fun (and eventually thoroughly hammered) way to spend some time. But I think that much of what it fun would be there with or without the religious nonsense (although then of course they'd be identifying as something else...)
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I think a part of it is that when these -for lack of a better term-institutional empires were being built (Jewish community centers, etc) the dominant trend in American Jewry was liberal Judaism (both Reform and Conservative, even a bit Modern Dox).What Chabad does isn't remotely the same as what mid-20th century mainstream American Judaism did, insofar as mid-20th century American Judaism wasn't about intense spirituality or anything Chabad-esque.
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Synagogues are more than just rooms to fill with hymns and nothing else, they are also social centers with libraries and classrooms. Instead of "passing the plate" in churches, and hitting people up every week in front of their peers, you just pay annual membership dues instead.

The syanagogue I am part of simply asks that you pay "what you can afford". I've never given more then $100.00 and never less than $50.00, but depending on what my fortunes are like at any given moment, somewhere in between. I also teach Hebrew to kids there once a week during the school year. I get paid for that, but it is really just a stipend, a courtesy pay for my time-- which typically is what gets recycled back to the organization as my membership dues.

The congregation also subsidizes kids going to summer camps, and meal & outreach programs to elderly shut-ins. Also, they help out with funerals. In Judaism, the dead are buried within 24 hours, and that kind of service can be expensive to arrange, especially if a death occurs on a weekend. The dead don't "lie in state" or have a few days of repose or ceremonies beforehand.
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Coyote wrote:I also teach Hebrew to kids there once a week during the school year.
My cousins are Jewish, and they're learning Hebrew at a synagogue. Wouldn't it be weird if...

Anyway, much of this also applies to Christians, Mormons, etc, who are all expected to pay tithes to their churches. Traditionally, churches expect members to give 10% of their income, and many fundy churches are very literal about that expectation. So technically, a family making $40,000 is expected to give $4,000 to their church each year. In addition to this, there are calls to donate money to foreign missionaries, domestic missions (i.e., Christian missions to inner cities, to Indian reservations, etc), and international relief (Haiti, etc). I've always kind of wondered; if God is so powerful, why can't he just make the money out of thin air, instead of asking it from his devotees?

However, I do think there is an important point to be made. Most churches to provide a practical function for their parishioners. The church I currently attend (with Surlethe's family) has offered classes in Creole. It sends food to those in need. You can get free counseling from the priest, sing in the music ministry, attend classes on the Bible or marriage, etc. it serves as a sort of cultural center.
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Of course one can imagine a community organization that provides similar services, and more of them per dollar by dispensing with the mumbo-jumbo and its associated expenses and focusing upon real-world missions that are intrinsically worthwhile.
Liberty wrote:I've always kind of wondered; if God is so powerful, why can't he just make the money out of thin air, instead of asking it from his devotees?
Too bad a lot more people don't ask that, and loudly, too...
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Liberty wrote:
Coyote wrote:I also teach Hebrew to kids there once a week during the school year.
My cousins are Jewish, and they're learning Hebrew at a synagogue. Wouldn't it be weird if...
If they're in Boise, Idaho, there's a good chance. There's Ahaveth Beth Israel on Latah street, where I teach, and the Chabad center on State street. They also do lessons.
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In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Coyote wrote:
Liberty wrote:
Coyote wrote:I also teach Hebrew to kids there once a week during the school year.
My cousins are Jewish, and they're learning Hebrew at a synagogue. Wouldn't it be weird if...
If they're in Boise, Idaho, there's a good chance. There's Ahaveth Beth Israel on Latah street, where I teach, and the Chabad center on State street. They also do lessons.
Nope. Other side of the country - Concord, New Hampshire. Oh, and kudos on being able to teach Hebrew. I've studied the language a bit myself, and it is
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Kanastrous wrote:Of course one can imagine a community organization that provides similar services, and more of them per dollar by dispensing with the mumbo-jumbo and its associated expenses and focusing upon real-world missions that are intrinsically worthwhile.
Well yes. And frankly, I wish there were more of them.
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Many of my Jewish friends conduct their services in the home, and thus avoid the membership fees. Personally, I've never been into the religious aspect of it all that much, but I really did enjoy all the educational programs, learning Hebrew, daycare and social events put on by my temple.

Fun Fact: During my Confirmation class, more than half of the class (about a dozen students) admitted we were atheists. The rabbi just sort of shrugged and continued teaching us Hebrew.
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Oddly enough, Judaism can actually allow for atheism, or deist type philosophy. It won't accommodate polytheism... but, yeah, I was talking to some of the really religious Kabbalist types in Israel and I asked them, "so, we could be completely wrong about the whole thing?" and the Rabbi (wish I could remember his name, he was awesome) said, "yeah-- we're just humans. We have totally misunderstood the whole thing from the start, and it could all be for nothing." Huh. Being an atheist Jew is, I guess, somewhat common actually.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Coyote wrote:Oddly enough, Judaism can actually allow for atheism, or deist type philosophy. It won't accommodate polytheism... but, yeah, I was talking to some of the really religious Kabbalist types in Israel and I asked them, "so, we could be completely wrong about the whole thing?" and the Rabbi (wish I could remember his name, he was awesome) said, "yeah-- we're just humans. We have totally misunderstood the whole thing from the start, and it could all be for nothing." Huh. Being an atheist Jew is, I guess, somewhat common actually.
Damn, I should have been born Jewish. Of course, there are also fundy Jews, right?

And you might be surprised at how tolerant Catholicism is toward atheism at times. However, it varies from Catholic to Catholic and parish to parish. Some Catholics are very fundamentalist, and some are more like my friend, who was raised Catholic but he and his sister and dad are all atheists and his mom is really kind of pagan.
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Liberty wrote:
Coyote wrote:Oddly enough, Judaism can actually allow for atheism, or deist type philosophy. It won't accommodate polytheism... but, yeah, I was talking to some of the really religious Kabbalist types in Israel and I asked them, "so, we could be completely wrong about the whole thing?" and the Rabbi (wish I could remember his name, he was awesome) said, "yeah-- we're just humans. We have totally misunderstood the whole thing from the start, and it could all be for nothing." Huh. Being an atheist Jew is, I guess, somewhat common actually.
Damn, I should have been born Jewish. Of course, there are also fundy Jews, right?

And you might be surprised at how tolerant Catholicism is toward atheism at times. However, it varies from Catholic to Catholic and parish to parish. Some Catholics are very fundamentalist, and some are more like my friend, who was raised Catholic but he and his sister and dad are all atheists and his mom is really kind of pagan.
In the liberal Orthodox streams, it's not a common thing, but atheist Orthodox Jews are known and in some ways, accepted. Judaism in Israel is a community, social bonds, educational and so forth and less "believe with all your might."
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Coyote wrote:Oddly enough, Judaism can actually allow for atheism, or deist type philosophy. It won't accommodate polytheism... but, yeah, I was talking to some of the really religious Kabbalist types in Israel and I asked them, "so, we could be completely wrong about the whole thing?" and the Rabbi (wish I could remember his name, he was awesome) said, "yeah-- we're just humans. We have totally misunderstood the whole thing from the start, and it could all be for nothing." Huh. Being an atheist Jew is, I guess, somewhat common actually.
A few (maybe 20?) or so years ago a female rabbi in one of the liberal American denominations wrote an article suggesting that Jews accept *some* Messianic Jews (fundygelical Prots who worship with a dash of Judaism) as Jews, since after all there are all sorts of rather un-orthodox Jews of all types who are still considered Jewish.

Needless to say most Jews didn't take it very well.
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Coyote wrote:Oddly enough, Judaism can actually allow for atheism, or deist type philosophy. It won't accommodate polytheism... but, yeah, I was talking to some of the really religious Kabbalist types in Israel and I asked them, "so, we could be completely wrong about the whole thing?" and the Rabbi (wish I could remember his name, he was awesome) said, "yeah-- we're just humans. We have totally misunderstood the whole thing from the start, and it could all be for nothing." Huh. Being an atheist Jew is, I guess, somewhat common actually.
Damn, I should have been born Jewish. Of course, there are also fundy Jews, right?
Oh yeah, and they're every bit as terrible as their Christian and Muslim counterparts, even teaching creationism and removing evolution from the classroom, calling for the deaths of gays, blowing people up...
And you might be surprised at how tolerant Catholicism is toward atheism at times. However, it varies from Catholic to Catholic and parish to parish. Some Catholics are very fundamentalist, and some are more like my friend, who was raised Catholic but he and his sister and dad are all atheists and his mom is really kind of pagan.
Catholicism the collection of random catholics is going to represent the views of whichever location you're in and catholicism the church is going to represent other views that may be quite distinct (e.g. Santa Muerte). While there's a bit of a top-down administering of the local cults, it has no hope of totalitarian doctrinal purity from the vatican, no matter how much they may want it. That way tends to lie schism.

As for synagogues being unable to pay their way... perhaps they should stop giving the rabbis tips? ;) Seriously, they should just distribute the temple shit between the houses of the faithful.
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Liberty wrote:Damn, I should have been born Jewish. Of course, there are also fundy Jews, right?

And you might be surprised at how tolerant Catholicism is toward atheism at times. However, it varies from Catholic to Catholic and parish to parish. Some Catholics are very fundamentalist, and some are more like my friend, who was raised Catholic but he and his sister and dad are all atheists and his mom is really kind of pagan.
Yes, there are Jews that suck the "fun" out of "fundamentalism". See the recent thread where 100,000 ultra-orthodox Jews rally for racial segregation in schools so they don't have to have their children go to school with Sephardim.
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Since one prominent feature of Judaism is the Covenant with the Children of Israel, I wonder with whom or what an Orthodox Jewish atheist believes he has a Covenant.

Unless atheistic Judaism means rigorous observance of practices without actually holding the associated faith. Which impresses me as kind of masochistic.
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Liberty wrote:So technically, a family making $40,000 is expected to give $4,000 to their church each year. In addition to this, there are calls to donate money to foreign missionaries, domestic missions (i.e., Christian missions to inner cities, to Indian reservations, etc), and international relief (Haiti, etc). I've always kind of wondered; if God is so powerful, why can't he just make the money out of thin air, instead of asking it from his devotees?
If you're going to ask that, why not just ask "why can't He just snap His fingers and do away with poverty, natural disasters, suffering, etc.", or even, "why didn't He just design the world so there were no problems to begin with?"
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Channel72 wrote:If you're going to ask that, why not just ask "why can't He just snap His fingers and do away with poverty, natural disasters, suffering, etc.", or even, "why didn't He just design the world so there were no problems to begin with?"
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Kanastrous wrote:Unless atheistic Judaism means rigorous observance of practices without actually holding the associated faith. Which impresses me as kind of masochistic.
Or merely pointless. As an atheist-for-years-now who had Catholic grade- and high schooling, seeing someone describe her- or himself as an "atheist Jew" seems self-contradictory, but then there is the so-called "cultural" aspect to being Jewish. Or, the "it's both a religion and ethnicity" angle, that is. Whatever.

My paternal grandparents were naturalized citizens originally from Mexico (and whose ancestors came from Europe) and maternal grandparents from the former Czechoslovakia. It also means very little to me and I don't celebrate my "heritage." I'm not Mexican. I'm not Czech. I'm Pennsylvanian. :P
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Well, I can see a possible point to it: it's something that the practitioner can structure their life around. All the routine, ceremony, regulations, etc. Some people really respond, to that.

And then there's plain old-fashioned tribalism.
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quote="Kanastrous"]Since one prominent feature of Judaism is the Covenant with the Children of Israel, I wonder with whom or what an Orthodox Jewish atheist believes he has a Covenant.

Unless atheistic Judaism means rigorous observance of practices without actually holding the associated faith. Which impresses me as kind of masochistic.[/quote]

Modern Judaism in general seems to be rather masochistic. Have you ever eaten a bad kugel?

More seriously though, part of the reason for this seems to be conflicted feelings of guilt and uncertainty specifically relating to the perception of the Holocaust by jews today; It is either used as a justification for the state of Israel or a guilt trip to retain a Jewish culture and identity which opens another can of worms.


As an atheist who also identifies as culturally Jewish, (raised in a pretty secular household) i have a somewhat split view of looking at everything. There's the "I'm going to look at this from the perspective of an average, rational person," and then there's the "family history/tradition/cultural baggage section." There is definitely a feeling of identity crisis, which is only magnified by being part of the second generation after the Holocaust and feeling a duty to either continue a religion you may not believe in or save a culture that is rapidly assimilating, and may not be such a bad thing.

However, as much as the extremes of religion are derided on the forum and elsewhere, there is a certain comfort to falling back on tradition, whether it is religious or familial, which can bring people closer together. Shared heritage and experiences can be just as helpful in the promotion of peace and understanding as it has the potential to harm others.

As nice as it is to believe in the triumph of reason over faith and tradition, I think most of us know that many people including ourselves, will cling (to whatever degree) to traditions and half remembered family histories, and if there is to be peace or understanding, it will come from the vocal moderate groups of the various religions who capitalize on our similarities rather than our differences. Sadly, such moderates are silent and thin on the ground in these times.
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Kanastrous wrote:Since one prominent feature of Judaism is the Covenant with the Children of Israel, I wonder with whom or what an Orthodox Jewish atheist believes he has a Covenant.

Unless atheistic Judaism means rigorous observance of practices without actually holding the associated faith. Which impresses me as kind of masochistic.
Well you have to remember, Judaism, while the sect is called Orthodox, it is really an Orthoprax religion. It does not matter if you actually believe in God, the religion itself can accommodate an atheist so long as they follow the rules.

As for the atheist, well... it is an ethnicity. They do all the ritual etc because it is part of their culture, they grew up with it, and it is part of their identity. It seems masochistic to an outsider, but if you are raised with it, it is what you know. There is comfort in that.
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In Judaism, there is more emphasis put on your works on Earth. It is Christianity that says that only your "personal relationship with God/accepting Christ as your Savior" is the only important thing. So you can be a total douche, then repent (theoretically sincerely) at the last minute and be accepted into Christian heaven.

In Judaism, if you cause harm on Earth, you'll have to answer for that harm in the next life, but once you accept your guilt and comprehend the true impact and responsibility of your actions (and all the pain it caused, not just to the person you harmed but to anyone caught in the ripple effects) then you can have a place in the Kingdom of God.

Basically, all you have to do is obey the rules-- even if you don't like them, or agree with them, or even think they are total bullshit, you obey the rules and do as God asks (even if you don't believe in God) you can get the ticket punched. The rules, of course, are the mitzvahs about making the world a better place. So even an atheist can still be included and it is not considered a "threat" in Judaism to have no faith or belief in God. In Christianity it would be seen as a personal crisis, since Christianity is totally staked on that alone.

Obviously, this gets interpreted wildly-- some see "making the world a better place" as, say, whacking Arabs. Most of us don't really see it that way. It's supposed to be about respecting life. The same old Rabbi I mentioned earlier also lamented how many "religious" people would write ten chapters in a book detailing how long a woman's skirt should be and why it is so important and moral, but write only a few pages about being decent to other human beings. So... there you go.
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Re: The Cost of Being Jewish

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That doesn't seem to jive with reality, Coyote.

If Judaism was that tolerant of athiests, then Jewish parents wouldn't have a problem with their daughter dating an athiest, would they? They wouldn't have a problem with going over to an athiest neighbor's house for dinner, even if the neighbor promised to keep it kosher. And the Torah is pretty explicit with what it says about people who don't believe specifically in the God of Abraham (up to and including suggesting executing them), but no one seems to be willing to edit those parts to something a bit less hateful.
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