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Which Asia-Pacific nation should Australia send refugees to?

Nauru
3
9%
East Timor
1
3%
Tuvalu
0
No votes
Fiji
0
No votes
PNG
2
6%
Vanuatu
0
No votes
Just let them sink!
5
15%
Australia (lol, joke option)
22
67%
 
Total votes: 33

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Labor unveils "new" asylum seeker policy

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news.com.au wrote:IT'S an election battlefield, but the big parties agree: Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott both want boat people to go somewhere else.

Announcing a new Labor policy on asylum seekers, the Prime Minister talked for nearly an hour before announcing the plan. Tony Abbott unveiled his own policy just minutes earlier, a stunt which shows we're not far off an election campaign.

Ms Gillard rejected the Coalition's promise to return to the Pacific solution of the Howard years, in which asylum seeker boats were taken to small Pacific nations such as Nauru to be processed.

Instead, she announced something which sounds pretty similar, saying talks were underway to establish a processing centre in East Timor to assess claims there. She had also spoken to New Zealand and the UN refugee agency on the idea.

"The purpose would be to ensure that people smugglers have no product to sell. Arriving by boat would just be a ticket back to the regional processing centre," she said.

She summed up the plan with a quote which would have made Kevin Rudd proud, saying her government was "not interested in pursuing a new Pacific solution" but instead wanted a "regional protection framework".

She said East Timor welcomed the chance to talk more about the idea. That suggests the policy still has a long way to go before it is locked down.

Refugee advocates said the East Timor plan would be costly and would make no difference unless Indonesia was included. "I expect that the regional centre will not happen," the Refugee Action Coalition's Ian Rintoul said.

Not racist

Ms Gillard spent several minutes outlining the population pressures in some areas of Australia - often marginal seats important at this year's election - which make some people anxious about boat people.

But she also said asylum seekers made up a small fraction of overall immigration in Australia, and arrivals here were a tiny part of the worldwide number.

She said voters should be free to express their concerns about boat people arrivals without being branded racists. "There are racists in every country but expressing a desire for a clear and firm policy when you are faced with a difficult problem does not make you a racist," she said.

She said Mr Abbott's boast that he could "turn the boats back" was shallow and wrong. Ships would be sabotaged and asylum seekers would end up in the ocean, needing help.

"The strategy of turning the boats back would be a strategy of rescuing asylum seekers from the water ... and Mr Abbott knows it," she said.

She said the political point-scoring on the issue was drowning out serious debate. "We are much better than this," she said. But she also said refugees in Australia had to "learn English and get a job".

"There is no quick fix. It is about stopping people getting in boats. It will take time, but I believe it will be worth the effort. I ask for the patience and support of the Australian people." Read her full speech here.

As expected, Ms Gillard ended the three-month freeze on processing of Sri Lankan asylum seekers. and send back Afghans - which would be the first time since 2001 that Australia has returned people to the war-torn region. But a similar freeze on claims from people fleeing Afghanistan remained under review.

Abbott's plan

Mr Abbott made his announcement a few minutes before Ms Gillard had been scheduled to speak. Read Mr Abbott's announcement in full.

In addition to previous promises to return to Howard-era policies of temporary protection visas and the Pacific solution, Mr Abbott announced:

- asylum seekers who deliberately ditch their documents will be automatically denied refugee status;
- the immigration minister would be able to overrule decisions on claims;
- local groups would be allowed to sponsor refugees to bring them to Australia independently.

Speaking earlier about the documentation rule, Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said: "If someone wants to do that and seek to take advantage of Australia's generosity, then we won't be giving them the green light".

The Coalition said allowing a politician to overrule decisions would bring greater "objectivity" to the process.

Refugee advocates said Mr Abbott's documents policy had been tried before and failed and that it was "appalling" to give a politician final say on every asylum claim.
So, the new Labor plan is... slightly different from Howard's policy, in that East Timor is run by actual competent people who are less likely to say "sure, whatevs" than Nauru.

It's also worth noting that the so-called "boat people” aren't actually illegal immigrants. They are asylum seekers, and it is not actually illegal to to enter a country as a refugee, even if you haven't sorted out your visa status beforehand. Most people in the country illegally are actually tourists (mostly British) overstaying their visa. Said visa overstayers actually outnumber Australia's total refugee intake, but you don't see people complaining about them. I wonder why?
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I thought I was being special choosing the joke option, before I found out it's currently the most popular choice.

Seriously, it's not a joke option, when asylum seekers head for Australia we should process them... in Australia! If they are granted asylum they'll probably get here anyway. And if they aren't they'll probably be sent home either way... so really we're paying someone else to do our dirty work so we can shift the problem beyond the eyesight of voters.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/07/08/2948672.htm

At least Clarke & Dawes get great ammunition whenever the gov't makes retarded policies.
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The Coalition said allowing a politician to overrule decisions would bring greater "objectivity" to the process.
What the? Are politicians reknown for their objectivity or something?

Just for the record, I voted the joke option. Since they are already here its cheaper to process them here. Processing them elsewhere by setting up a detention centre in a foreign land just costs more money and only appeals to those "out of mind, out of sight" idiot racists. That being said since IIRC we already outsource some of our Australian soil detention centres to private companies, who can we outsource these foreign detention centres to? My candidates are either the USA after that awesome effort in Guantanoma and Abu Gharib, or China - because they can do things on the cheap.
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No, no, no. Outsourcing to China would go down terribly with the voters. Chinese people are nowhere near racist enough to represent the views of the average voter. They might do something terrible like give everyone fair hearings, without regard to skin colour.
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I've had it up to about here with the whole debate.

Its already nothing but a beat up anyway, there are a tiny number of people coming into the country this way, and both parties are doing their darndest to play it to the public as nothing short of a military invasion most of the time as both parties race to the right...

And the slapstick way this has been handled by the Government is just pathetic and degrading. 'Oh, we'll just dump them into East Timor! They're our bitches and will do what we say, right? What do you mean they said no! We already said that they said yes!'
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I voted Nauru because IIRC the facility we built there did great things for their economy, and they were quite unhappy to see it go. Given that they're one of the many Pacific nations which will be facing severe problems with rising sea levels in the future, I think it'd be in our interest to build a bit of goodwill by contributing to the economy of one. I certainly don't see the asylum seekers as any kind of threat, but clearly enough people do that it's an election issue, so why not get some good out of it? The asylum seekers get sent to a camp somewhere anyway, be it on Nauru, Christmas Island, Timor, PNG or Australia proper, and it doesn't seem likely that this will change any time soon.

Also, isn't Fiji still on our shitlist because of that whole military coup thing?
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xt828 wrote:I voted Nauru because IIRC the facility we built there did great things for their economy, and they were quite unhappy to see it go.g?
I voted for Nauru because for a Finn, it is the obvious joke option.

Of course, the serious answer would be Australia.
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The East Timor government says to Gillard: ... :finger: .
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The vast majority of "illegal" immigrants are white people who fly into this country and never leave when their visa expires. I don't see a multi billion off shore processing centre for these people. Every time I point this out to some idiot at work complains about the "hordes" of illegal immigrants I get embarrassed silence and a change of topic.
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