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So having seen it last night, I can comfortably say it was a pretty good movie. Some action, some suspense, and only a few idiotic moments, even a little moral message about what it means to be human. Adrian Brody, despite everything, actually comes off well as a gruff mercenary dropped on an alien world trying to survive be hunted by evil alien hunters. Special effects seemed slightly off, but everything else was good, better at least than the last AvP films.

Probably the biggest revelation is that there are two kinds of Predators, the normal ones and the "bigger" ones (though the size difference isn't that big), and both hate each other. The bigger Preds are the ones doing the hunting in the film, and the only noticeable difference is that their faces are uglier, slightly elongated with larger face-tentacles. They hunt the humans using UAVs and 'hunting dogs' and have all the classic Pred gear, shoulder cannons, wrist blades, spears. The only 'normal' Predator who appears is found tied up and left to rot, but towards the end Brody chops him down and convinces him to help them escape on the other Preds' ships.

A few things of note
  • Unlike what's shown in the trailer, Brody doesn't survive a freefall on his own, his parachute just opens late (for one of the others, it doesn't open at all)
  • Also unlike the trailer, the scene where he's covered in laser pointers is bullshit; there's only one Predator aiming at his head during that scene in the movie
  • Lawrence Fishburne is Noland, an Air Cavalry soldier who's survived "ten hunting seasons" and become quite crazy. However, he was able to kill "two, maybe three" and get his hands on a Pred helmet, wrist computer and oversized handgun, and figured out how to get the cloaking device to work for him
  • The shoulder-mounted plasma guns display blatant "variable yields" - in one instance, a single shot from one turned a guy into fist-sized bloody chunks, while in another, it badly burned a person's back and knocked them flying forwards, but only temporarily stunned them.
  • There were at least one other alien species being hunted besides the humans, roughly humanoid but larger with grey skin
  • Predator Movie Reference: the IDF chick (Alice Braga) knew about the Preds beforehand, having read a debriefing given by the sole survivor of a spec ops team that was hunted by one in the jungles of South America in '87
  • Brody tries the same "cover in mud to hide from IR vision" trick, but it only starts working when he sets massive fires to hide his body heat, and the Pred is still able to locate him by the sound of his heartbeat
  • A Predator rips a man's spine out, head still attached, with his bare hands
  • The only really bullshit scene is when the Yakuza assassin, having found an old Katana lying around in Noland's collection of stuff, gets into a swordfight with one of the Predators. More katana wank as the sword somehow withstands blows from another blade of supposedly superior material being wielded by a stronger opponent. The Predator sorta toys with him throughout the fight until the end, when they end up killing each other.
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Noland, because he's crazy, tries to betray the others in order to steal their stuff, but he ends up getting blown apart by a Pred. The bigger surprise was Toper Grace, a supposedly innocent doctor, is revealed to be a serial killer towards the end and tries to kill the other survivors, but he ends up getting killed by a Pred too. The normal Pred activates the ship using his wrist computer, but gets killed in a fight with the last of the 'big' Preds, who sets the ship to self-destruct. The movie ends with Brody and Braga, staring up into the sky as more parachutes fall to the ground, and Brody remarks they should get going and find a way off this planet.
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I was under the impression that Goggins' character stole some alien armor off of Noland, and that was how he survived getting killed by the plasma blast. At least, that's the way it was in the script.
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Look the thread has Spoilers in the title, no need to spoilerize shit.

I called Topher Grace being a murderer from the beginning - there was no other explanation for him being there.

But yeah, like I said in the trailer thread, its a damn fun movie and a worthy sequel to the original, as was intended.
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neoolong wrote:I was under the impression that Goggins' character stole some alien armor off of Noland, and that was how he survived getting killed by the plasma blast. At least, that's the way it was in the script.

Not spoilerizing because of spoiler warnings in the title.

Goggins is. I think he's referring to the fact that Nikolai survived a hit. But then again there's nothing that says the shoulder cannons can't be variable yields, and the 'reduce to bloody goo' setting isn't conducive to trophy taking.
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See my comments in the "trailer" thread. I won't repost them, but suffice it to say:

Movie: good. Attending the world premiere: excellent. Peeing next to Robert Rodriguez before the film: insanely surreal.
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Just saw it and found it a damn fine movie to watch. It wont be winning any awards for original plot or suspenseful script but these movies never were about that. Mission accomplished in getting some decent fights, tactics and effects out of the movie which is a proper return to what Predator was all about.

The convict getting hit and surviving... he was wearing some sort of armor but there was no indication if it was Predator or something he took from something else. Just that it masked body heat...
I presume the Predators hunt more than humans and we see at least one other random alien in the mix so I wouldnt be surprised if there is aliens with alien tech lying around.

The one scene that really pissed me the fuck off was that stupid Yakuza sword fight. Saw it coming a mile off the moment he picked up that sword since we all know that Yakuza dude + Sword = Gonna have a sword fight.

I'll buy the fact the guy was able to withstand blows from a 'super' Predator because it is holding back and swords are so awesome they can withstand impacts from alien blades. I do not buy the 'mutal killing each other' as a valid ending and even less because I didnt follow what actually happened to cause that double K.O.

All we see is the Yakuza dude charge and then somehow deliver a blow while the Predator delivers its own... then Predator drops dead. Yakuza dude is left standing then he drops dead. For a moment I was expecting it to be a similar scene to Underworld where the guy takes ages for his head to fall off when she slices him but instead he just falls... and thats it.

Not very impressed with that scene nor the blatant false advertising with the dozens of lasers locking onto the male lead which is complete bullshit of what actually happens.


As for the ending...
We get to see the Predators apparantly dropping in more prey... but we just saw their ship destroyed and all of the Predators killed. Uhh... who is dropping these new people ?

Felt like a non-ending frankly because it either means:
A) More Predators are coming
B) The survivors are stuck like Noland on a planet and thus its only a matter of time before the get whacked by a bunch of smart Predators.
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I gather that there are more than three Predators who hunt on that planet, but only three use it at a time.
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The hand to hand fight scene between the two Predators to me suggested that no only do they have cloaks but also some sort of body hugging forcefield. Even though both were visible there were obvious flashes of energy around them when they collided. This might also explain how the last one survived all those grenades going off in his face.

The rapist convict was wearing the body armor that Morpheus had taken off earlier.

I was totally taken by the "Doctor" I got the impressiont that the Predators ocassionally grabbed docs to keep their prey healthy as long as possible.

It also looks like the "Game Planet" was intentionally seeded with plants from Earth. Which gives me this hillarious image of a Predator botanist potting some plants and wearing an apron.

Were the "big" predators supposed to look like something from the EU? I felt like I was missing something there with the warring clans on the game planet. Do the big predators also drop the little predators on the planet as an extra challenge?
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The one scene that really pissed me the fuck off was that stupid Yakuza sword fight. Saw it coming a mile off the moment he picked up that sword since we all know that Yakuza dude + Sword = Gonna have a sword fight.
dude that was awesome why else would you even see this movie, anyway? :P I LOVED that there was a combination of different styles of action, all of it over-the-top in its own unique way.

You had the soldier's last stand (very 20th century), the yakuza's last stand (very Middle Ages) and then the no-holds-barred dirty tricks fighting that the truest and best predator used.
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As for the different clans of Predators...well, Robert Rodriguez didn't call on me at the Q&A or else I'd know for sure. However, the director said something like "the Predators are so much like us in their hunting techniques, taking trophies...it made sense to us that they'd hunt and kill each other just like we do."
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I liked it. 'Nuff said.
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Bilbo wrote:The rapist convict was wearing the body armor that Morpheus had taken off earlier.

I was totally taken by the "Doctor" I got the impressiont that the Predators ocassionally grabbed docs to keep their prey healthy as long as possible.
See, for me, I figured out the doctor after ten seconds of trailer. He's a little, squirrely guy on a planet full of 'perfect killers', what else would he be?
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Bob the Gunslinger wrote:I gather that there are more than three Predators who hunt on that planet, but only three use it at a time.
Or three which hunt in that praticular section of Planet. It could be that its divided into various subjections in which Predator teams hunt in.

That said, I liked it. Oddly enough, i rather liked the Russian character. The rest of them were alright (save for the Death Row rapist who i found to be annoying and totally unsympathetic) but the Spetsnaz came across as the most sympathetic and (Suprisingly for a holywood film) not a walking stereotype, even if his death was just somewhat badly planned out (he did not look behind him before the predator struck).

In regards to the doctor, i orginally thought that he was there to keep wounded prey alive. But then there were two things which turned me off that speculation, the lack of medical equipment (even a first aid kit) and his knowledge about deadly plants.

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It's really too bad how many critics see this as another in a long line of Hollywood franchise reboots. The fact that they reference the first damn film in this one probably passed them by. Though that's a given, since even Ebert admits to not paying attention to basic details in films he doesn't have any interest in seeing, let alone liking.
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I'll admit I didn't see the crazy serial killer doctor thing coming.. like some of us, I thought he was there to keep the prey healthy or something.

Bilbo's got a point.. what were all those sparks on the bodies of the two preds during the pred vs fight?
I don't think they have personal shielding or somesuch, as even the Spetsnaz guy's low caliber pistol visibly inflicted a green bleeding wound when he rescues the "doctor" in the ship. Probably a few other instances of preds getting wounded that doesn't support the possibility of a shield.
Perhaps its just that cloaking devices still do weird visual shit, even when switched off (or possibly in "standby mode")?

I don't think we can conclusively say the uglier preds are more capable than the older ones.. the fight looked close enough that it would be down to the individuals involved rather than their xenoethnicity (heh).
Plus, the less-ugly pred has been strung up uncomfortably and starved for days, and thus probably wasn't in his top form.

Btw, when the Spetsnaz guy gets shot in the back, was there an "exit wound" (if that term even applies for DEW weapons) coming out of his torso? I thought I saw one, but I can't be sure.
It might also mean those shoulder gun things somehow have settings for both yield and.. er.. explodeyness.
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I saw no exit wound, though DEWs could have them if the beam/bolt is concentrated enough to not dissipate fully upon contact with the target. The bolts seem to be configured to only cause splash damage on their prey typically (Blain being an exception) which only burns off clothing and surface flesh while cauterising and disorienting. It seems more fitting for the Yautja way of hunting than just blowing apart their prey to itty bitty pieces so easily. You not only get no real fight, you get no trophy.

Also, we see those same sparks seen during the Pred-on-Pred action when any trap is sprung e.g. the bear trap that gets the "doctor" and the net when Isabelle tries to save him.
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It is something of a reboot if one is counting the AVP movies in the mix. Though they never mentioned anything other than the first Predator film so they may or may not consider AVP part of the official history. I guess Predators 2 will have to clarify on that and I'm sure there will be a sequel EVENTUALLY. Not anytime soon though.

When the Doctor mentioned the plant I automatically suspected it would be a plot-point later but I was imagining it being used against the Predators or something. Not bad how it turned out but I would have expected the folks to suspect something was wierd about a random Doctor showing up against a group of killers. Afterall, its not like the Predators really show much care of their well being or intend to give their prey much chance of getting medical treatment.

The Fishborne cameo was a bit short for my tastes and weak but I guess they decided not to splash out on having him in it more. I would have expected someone that has killed 3 Predators and gotten their equipment to have better prepared traps / means of escape if the Predators came into his hideout.


What I do find rather amusing is the fact the entire cast just seems to automatically accept the concept of being on another world, aliens and somehow the male lead deducts the situation all on his own. One would have expected a bit of disbelief or something but they just take it in stride without comment. The male lead giving the spiel seems more like an excuse to 'explain' the situation to those that dont get it in the audience.
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I kind of nailed the doctor's identity immediately after the scene with the plant and the neuro toxin, I was already thinking he was suspicious because he was the only non-killer, when he pulled a SCALPEL out of his pocket I was like "Who carries a scalpel, that even steri...ohhh.

I think there is a cultural difference between the big predators and the usual ones. The usual predators don't seem to really change, they hunt with the same rules and basic technology, one on one that we saaw in the first two predator movies, the big guys, were the ones Nolan was talking about, their tech gets better and better, their tactics improve etc.

There were probably TWO ships in the area unless the little preds and the big ones came on the same ship.

In the tradition of the first two predator movies, i liked the questions taht went unanswered, who left the giant drilling apparatus, what wsa that alien that got randomly sniped etc.

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One portion I didn't like the Hollywoodization of wads eight fucking grenades exploding in the predtor's fact. That much explosive shrapnel at that rage should have equalled gibbed predator.

Dramatic license and what have you but how should have been swiss cheese.
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KrauserKrauser wrote:One portion I didn't like the Hollywoodization of wads eight fucking grenades exploding in the predtor's fact. That much explosive shrapnel at that rage should have equalled gibbed predator.

Dramatic license and what have you but how should have been swiss cheese.
That was still more realistic than the 'outrun the gigantic fireball' bit with the claymore.

Still, I really liked the movie. I thought they did a damn good job of respecting the original, but doing their own thing with it. I really like that they kept the original music from the first movie (even had 'Long Tall Sally' during the credits!), and that each character, like the characters in the original, had their own 'signature' weapons, distinguishing each of them without anyone having to say a word.
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Though that's a given, since even Ebert admits to not paying attention to basic details in films he doesn't have any interest in seeing, let alone liking.
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A fairly good Action Popcorn Film, some points: -

It seemed that the firefight against the dogs showed a complete lack of aiming skills, everyone seemed to be blazing away to very little effect. I'm not a weapon expert or anything but I would have thought that the Russians Rotary Cannon thing should have shreaded all of the dog aliens in a few seconds.

Talking about the Russian he obviously never seen a war film, "here is a picture of my lovely children", obviously hes going to be the next one to be taken out.

The 'I'm going to rape me some bitches' convict guy was a complete stereotype. It could have been an interesting comparision to show is he really any different from the various military types around him, what they all kill for, money, survival, duty, etc. It seemed stupid that they didn't give him a gun rather than his shiv he didn't really seem any more likely to betray them than anyone else.

The doctor was suprise to me, but his 'I'm at home here' speach didn't fit right to me, yes, I get hes a serial killer, but he was obviously completely out of his element there and didn't have any reason to 'want to stay'

Overall a fairly good film, clearly more of a sequal to Predator then Predator 2 or the AvP series.
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PREDATOR490 wrote:It is something of a reboot if one is counting the AVP movies in the mix. Though they never mentioned anything other than the first Predator film so they may or may not consider AVP part of the official history. I guess Predators 2 will have to clarify on that and I'm sure there will be a sequel EVENTUALLY. Not anytime soon though.

When the Doctor mentioned the plant I automatically suspected it would be a plot-point later but I was imagining it being used against the Predators or something. Not bad how it turned out but I would have expected the folks to suspect something was wierd about a random Doctor showing up against a group of killers. Afterall, its not like the Predators really show much care of their well being or intend to give their prey much chance of getting medical treatment.

The Fishborne cameo was a bit short for my tastes and weak but I guess they decided not to splash out on having him in it more. I would have expected someone that has killed 3 Predators and gotten their equipment to have better prepared traps / means of escape if the Predators came into his hideout.


What I do find rather amusing is the fact the entire cast just seems to automatically accept the concept of being on another world, aliens and somehow the male lead deducts the situation all on his own. One would have expected a bit of disbelief or something but they just take it in stride without comment. The male lead giving the spiel seems more like an excuse to 'explain' the situation to those that dont get it in the audience.
The AVP films aren't considered canon here, so it's only the actual Pred films being alluded to. Whether Isabella knew of the incident in LA is another matter. It was fairly well contained by the Feds after the fact.

The plant thing clued me into it too. I thought there was something more to the doc, and that bit was either going to be his way of helping, or something else being foreshadowed.

I also thought Fishburne wasn't used as well as he could've been. He'd clearly become a few fries short of a Happy Meal over the years, but wasn't a sucker. It's just a pity he didn't help take down at least one Pred.

And I turned to my brother at one point and called Royce "Basil Exposition". I didn't really mind that. It'd be a far longer film if they'd had everyone freak out. They all seemed fairly clued into things, being quite adept killers, they probably took it in their stride and immediately move to "So how do we get out of this and back to what we were doing?".
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I saw no exit wound, though DEWs could have them if the beam/bolt is concentrated enough to not dissipate fully upon contact with the target. The bolts seem to be configured to only cause splash damage on their prey typically (Blain being an exception) which only burns off clothing and surface flesh while cauterising and disorienting. It seems more fitting for the Yautja way of hunting than just blowing apart their prey to itty bitty pieces so easily. You not only get no real fight, you get no trophy.
I spotted one on him when I saw it again today, so yeah the plasmacaster blew a hole all the way through him. Not as big a hole as the one that killed Blane though.
Also, we see those same sparks seen during the Pred-on-Pred action when any trap is sprung e.g. the bear trap that gets the "doctor" and the net when Isabelle tries to save him.
I'm betting it's a cloaking thing.. in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the preds traps were all cloaked to make them even more effective.
It seemed that the firefight against the dogs showed a complete lack of aiming skills, everyone seemed to be blazing away to very little effect. I'm not a weapon expert or anything but I would have thought that the Russians Rotary Cannon thing should have shreaded all of the dog aliens in a few seconds.
They were hitting them, the thing is if they didn't him them just right they kept coming. One of them outright gibbed in fact. There's a couple bits in there where you can see them advancing on someone alone or in a pair and they're getting hit with horns being snapped off and holes punched in them (Isabelle even shot one in the eye with her pistol) and they basically keep advancing until they drop dead.
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Nikolai was using the M134 on one dog that was still advancing while being hit, before it literally fell to pieces from so much damage. They were either moving too fast to hit properly, or they were closing in so quickly that staying to aim with anything other than an AA-12 with buckshot ammo is a deadly mistake.
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