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Kardoorair Press is proud to present Them and Us by Danny Vendramini, the most important theory of human origins since The Descent of Man by Charles Darwin.

Put aside everything you thought you knew about being human - about how we got here and what it all means. After five years of rigorous scientific research, Danny Vendramini has developed a theory of human origins that is stunning in its simplicity, yet breathtaking in its scope and importance.

Them and Us: how Neanderthal predation created modern humans begins with a radical reassessment of Neanderthal behavioural ecology. He cites new archaeological and genetic evidence to show they weren't docile omnivores, but savage, cannibalistic carnivores - top flight predators of the stone age.

Neanderthal Predation (NP) theory reveals that Neanderthals were 'apex' predators - who resided at the top of the food chain, and everything else - including humans - was their prey.

NP theory is one of those groundbreaking ideas that revolutionizes scientific thinking. It represents a quantum leap in our understanding of human origins.
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'Them and Us'
sold to TV

The rights to 'Them and Us' have just been bought for a television series by production house, NHNZ and producer Mark McNeill.



Author Danny Vendramini said he was delighted with the prospect of his book being made into a TV series. "NHNZ is a major player in the documentary field," he said today. "And Mark McNeill is a fabulous director."



"Danny Vendramini presents a truly unique and innovative picture of the role of Neandertal predation in human evolution… Vendramini pulls together countless different threads of scientific evidence to re-cast Neanderthals as "apex predators", proverbial "wolves with knives" who were effective rivals with our ancestors…. It has been a long time since I read a book about human evolution that I enjoyed so much."

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neanderthal predation theory

NP theory reveals that Eurasian Neanderthals hunted, killed and cannibalised early humans for 50,000 years in an area of the Middle East known as the Mediterranean Levant (see map, below).

Because the two species were sexually compatible, Eurasian Neanderthals also abducted and raped human females.

Them and Us cites new evidence from archaeology and genetics to demonstrate that this prolonged period of cannibalistic and sexual predation began about 100,000 years ago and that by 50,000 years ago, the human population in the Levant was reduced to as few as 50 individuals.

The death toll from Neanderthal predation generated the selection pressure that transformed the tiny survivor population of early humans into modern humans.

This Levantine group became the founding population of all humans living today.
NP theory argues that modern human physiology, sexuality, aggression, propensity for inter-group violence and human nature all emerged as a direct consequence of systematic long-term dietary and sexual predation by Eurasian Neanderthals.

Vendramini's discovery of the traumatic secret history of our ancestors resolves the last great mysteries of our species - how, why, when and where we became human beings.

It is unquestionable the biggest shake-up in evolutionary theory since Darwin.


May 6th 2010

Major new Neanderthal study supports NP Theory

A landmark 'Draft Sequence of the Neanderthal Genome' published today in the prestigeious journal, Science has confirmed a number of core predictions of Neanderthal Predation theory.

Read more..


"Sometimes it takes an outsider to cut through the most intractable problems of science. That is what Vendramini's approach offers the reader in his daring claims about the interactions between humans and their most famous evolutionary relatives, the Neanderthals."

Archaeologist, Iain Davidson, Emeritus Professor of Archaeology, University of New England, Australia. Visiting Professor of Australian Studies, Harvard University

'them'
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Evolutionary detective Danny Vendramini has conducted an exhaustive re-examination of Neanderthal behavioural ecology and physiology. He shows that Neanderthals evolved in ice-age Europe and were a cold-adapted species, very different from the humans who migrated out of Africa. They had thick body fur and flat primate faces to protect them against the lethal cold.

Neanderthals also abandoned their hunter-gatherer lifestyle and diet and became exclusive carnivore predators.

This new portrait of our closest hominid relatives is the key to understanding human evolution.

"We've been called the 'third chimpanzee'. Instead, Vendramini asks: Why are we such a distinctively odd primate species -- anatomically, behaviourally, and beset by dark atavistic fears? His thesis that intensive predation by Neanderthals enforced rapid, protective, evolutionary changes offers innovative insight into the many things about 'us' that we might otherwise take for granted. A well-argued case to be answered."

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what neanderthals really looked like
This is how scientists and the media portray Neanderthals, so human-like they wouldn't look out of place sipping a cappuccino in a Fifth Avenue bistro.

But according to Vendramini's research, they looked nothing like this. He believes they are anthropomorphic fantasies conceived by artists and unsupported by the scientific evidence

Danny Vendramini and Spanish digital sculptor Arturo Balseiro scanned a Neanderthal skull then used NP theory and the latest computer technology to generate the most accurate forensic reconstruction of a Neanderthal ever produced.
http://www.themandus.org/index.html

Just take a look at these pictures: http://www.themandus.org/what_they_looked_like.html

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I thought Neanderthals looked more human than ugly angry big-eyed chimps.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I thought Neanderthals looked more human than ugly angry big-eyed chimps.
They did. That's why I almost laughed out loud looking at this nonsense.
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Too bad, it would've been so cool to imagine man-eating homonids though, even from a non-homoerotic standpoint. The notion of homonids killing and eating each other's flesh, and of ancient homo sapiens having to do battle with Neanderthals who're out to eat them is damn awesome. Better than that Aquatic Ape theory. :D
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I doubt real Neanderthals would look so overtly intimidating and monstrous (the guy pushing this shite is an ex-movie maker, go figure) but there's no solid evidence to prove that Neanderthals lacked thick body hair and they perhaps practiced cannibalism (though likely not to the extent of Danny Vendramini's monsters). And they've got too much genetic similarity to us to suggest they had flat faces similar to a chimp's and the intense cold of Eurasia would not favour flat African ape style nasal passages.
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Yeah, pretty obvious sensationalism, especially with the pictures of what they "really" looked like.

I think he's trying to tap into the archetype of the twisted subhuman, the same one that informed fictional species like Wells' Morlocks and Tolkien's orcs. And also one that served as the basis for an enormous amount of European propaganda about "savages" up into the mid-twentieth century.

Not sure exactly what to think about that, but I don't like it.
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What a bunch of revisionist sensationalist horseshit! Just when Neanderthals were increasingly being shown in a better light than just the mindless brutes they traditionally were; then this crap has to come along. Moron probably wants to make a movie or something and thus make lots of money and fame. Fucktard! :finger:
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Temujin wrote:What a bunch of revisionist sensationalist horseshit! Just when Neanderthals were increasingly being shown in a better light than just the mindless brutes they traditionally were; then this crap has to come along. Moron probably wants to make a movie or something and thus make lots of money and fame. Fucktard! :finger:
Author Danny Vendramini said he was delighted with the prospect of his book being made into a TV series. "NHNZ is a major player in the documentary field," he said today. "And Mark McNeill is a fabulous director."
Of course it's all about the scientific integrity...the lucrative television show is just a bonus!
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These sentences should set off everyone;s bullshit detector, training or no.
It is unquestionable the biggest shake-up in evolutionary theory since Darwin.
It wouldn't be even if it were true. No evolutionary biologist would be likely to say this.
"Sometimes it takes an outsider to cut through the most intractable problems of science.
Translation: "I'm directly comparing myself to the five or ten greatest geniuses in recorded history, even though statistically speaking I'm probably one of the millions of cranks who has said this."
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Saw those pictures a while ago. Was actually looking for information about Neanderthals because I wanted to show them off as a race in a semi-fantasy setting. Wanted to know how intelligent are they compared to us, what tools did they use, etc.

I had no doubt that Neanderthals and humans had some ugly fights and that the superior physical prowess of the Neanderthals might have bullied the physically weaker homo sapiens. However, I recall that homo sapiens were superior in their organizational and tool-creation skills and thus the balance was from as one-sided. Or that physical conflict is the only thing that defined our relationship with them while we were still alive.

I have to say that primitive humans fighting off physically superior humanoids in a stoneage setting has some nice dramatic potential and is not the worst setting by far. However, this guy is seriously pushing this shit as serious and somehow I doubt that the entire
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Anguirus wrote:These sentences should set off everyone;s bullshit detector, training or no.
It is unquestionable the biggest shake-up in evolutionary theory since Darwin.
It wouldn't be even if it were true. No evolutionary biologist would be likely to say this.
That's another thing that pissed me off.

And who are these anthropologists giving him credence. Are they just fame seeking attention whores or just supporters of bizarre theories.
Zixinus wrote:Saw those pictures a while ago. Was actually looking for information about Neanderthals because I wanted to show them off as a race in a semi-fantasy setting. Wanted to know how intelligent are they compared to us, what tools did they use, etc.

I had no doubt that Neanderthals and humans had some ugly fights and that the superior physical prowess of the Neanderthals might have bullied the physically weaker homo sapiens. However, I recall that homo sapiens were superior in their organizational and tool-creation skills and thus the balance was from as one-sided. Or that physical conflict is the only thing that defined our relationship with them while we were still alive.

I have to say that primitive humans fighting off physically superior humanoids in a stoneage setting has some nice dramatic potential and is not the worst setting by far. However, this guy is seriously pushing this shit as serious and somehow I doubt that the entire
Actually, the History Channel's "Clash of the Cavemen" did a better job and showed Homo Sapiens threatening the Neanderthals.
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Was it the Unabomber, or someone else, who theorized that human beings and their ancestors reached their place in the evolutionary ladder (or some shit) by eating brains (due to the nutrients inside brains)?
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FOR THE FIRST TIME, OUR STARTLING NEW FORENSIC RECONSTRUCTION REVEALS THE CREATURES THAT HUNTED, RAPED AND KILLED YOUR ANCESTORS FOR 50,000 YEARS
This was a very exciting process for me. As we watched the creature
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responses. For the first time in 28,000 years, we were gazing into the eyes
of our nemesis—the beast that had hunted our ancestors to the point of
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I'm imagining Aliens with recombinant human-gorilla "neanderthals" escaping a lab. I'd pay money to see that.

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One thing that's really amusing is the cat's eye slit pupils in the pictures... which no ape has, so far as I know. It makes them look more fierce and alien (along with the berserk snarl they have in all the pictures), while being utterly unrealistic.
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^Yeah that seems odd too and not even seen in the most primitive primate. And Neanderthals also made flutes which seems odd for supposedly such inarticulate, flatfaced brutes covered in jetblack fur. Neanderthal cutting and slicing tools were also surprisingly effective, more effective than some early modern human tools.
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Translation: "I'm directly comparing myself to the five or ten greatest geniuses in recorded history, even though statistically speaking I'm probably one of the millions of cranks who has said this."
Unlike most cranks, he has at least submitted a manuscript for peer review.

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Is it true that the Neanderthals' radius and ulna are less efficient for throwing than ours?
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Translation: "I'm directly comparing myself to the five or ten greatest geniuses in recorded history, even though statistically speaking I'm probably one of the millions of cranks who has said this."
Unlike most cranks, he has at least submitted a manuscript for peer review.

http://www.themandus.org/paper-CA.pdf
Hey, I should ask an anthropologist around here what he or she thinks of it.

What I'm missing here: now I'm not remotely an anthropologist, but I was under the distinct impression that modern humans existed well before they encountered Neandertals in Europe. And then to my knowledge they did not re-migrate out of Europe and "modernize" all the other Homo sapiens. So bear in mind that I only read the article at the top of the page and then skimmed the first few pages of his paper, but...what event is he seeking to explain?
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Anguirus wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Translation: "I'm directly comparing myself to the five or ten greatest geniuses in recorded history, even though statistically speaking I'm probably one of the millions of cranks who has said this."
Unlike most cranks, he has at least submitted a manuscript for peer review.

http://www.themandus.org/paper-CA.pdf
Hey, I should ask an anthropologist around here what he or she thinks of it.

What I'm missing here: now I'm not remotely an anthropologist, but I was under the distinct impression that modern humans existed well before they encountered Neandertals in Europe. And then to my knowledge they did not re-migrate out of Europe and "modernize" all the other Homo sapiens. So bear in mind that I only read the article at the top of the page and then skimmed the first few pages of his paper, but...what event is he seeking to explain?
He is not referring to europe proper, but the Lavant. An area in the middle east through which humans migrated post-bottleneck. If I remember properly.
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yeah, i dont buy it either. seems complete bullshit to me.

especially as i seem to remember reading somewhere that that was not the way humans got out of Africa. Plus there is the fact that what about all the africans that are not descended from people who emigrated there.

Although i can imagine white supremacists idiots seizing this as a reason why black people are not as good as they are.
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All the "groundbreaking theory" rhetoric and sensationalistic descriptions sets off my bullshit detector, although it may just be commercialistic attention-whoring from a journalist.

I'm not sure about all their claims but there seem to be multiple possible interpretations of a lot of the evidence they're citing for their theory. Plenty of human cultures practiced cannibalism, so evidence of Neanderthals eating Homo Sapiens isn't really firm evidence for their theory, neither is the fact that Neanderthals may have been more carnivorous than us. Incidentally I remember a thread on SB.com a while back about an article where they found evidence of humans eating a Neanderthal, so the cannibalism was a two-way street (of course, that isn't necessarily evidence against this theory). Similarly there's a lot of possible ways to interpret the fact that humans and Neanderthals do seem to have interbred. Unless they've got evidence I don't know about I don't think this theory is really any better supported than a lot of probably more parsimonious alternatives.

The whole thing rather reminds me of the explanation for vampires in Peter Watts's Blindsight. Maybe somebody should find his email and send him the link, it might give him some cool ideas. :lol:
Simon_Jester wrote:I think he's trying to tap into the archetype of the twisted subhuman, the same one that informed fictional species like Wells' Morlocks and Tolkien's orcs. And also one that served as the basis for an enormous amount of European propaganda about "savages" up into the mid-twentieth century.

Not sure exactly what to think about that, but I don't like it.
I find it interesting that the beserk chimp reconstructions depict them as having extremely dark skin, despite the fact that the article itself talks about how they were adapted to the conditions in Ice Age Europe, so logically you would expect light skin. That kind of goes double for the hairy reconstruction as fur would prevent sunlight from reaching the skin - chimps, which live in Africa, have light skin, as you can see from this picture.

I may be reading too much into it but I see some possible unfortunate implications in that particular touch.
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It just occurred to me:
Srelex wrote:Because the two species were sexually compatible, Eurasian Neanderthals also abducted and raped human females.
Would a creature as alien-looking as they reconstruct Neanderthals as even be likely to find human females attractive?
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Junghalli wrote:It just occurred to me:
Srelex wrote:Because the two species were sexually compatible, Eurasian Neanderthals also abducted and raped human females.
Would a creature as alien-looking as they reconstruct Neanderthals as even be likely to find human females attractive?
Most likely not, but of course they could correct their theory by claiming that the Neanderthal females looked less apish and apart from facial features more like human females. Since they are talking about rape here, the females do not have to find the male attractive. However, it's clear that the furry look and eyes of the reconstruction is a deliberate attempt to make it look as apelike and scary as possible, or alternatively just a subconscious reflection of an archetypal humanoid monster like already mentioned.
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