1812 overture

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 04:13am

4:13 am.

good combination ^_^

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-21 04:29am

On a completely unrelated note, the 1812 overture is part of the Hearts of Iron soundtrack. As is Ride of the Valkryies.

The Great Unbearded One · Post by **The Great Unbearded One** » 2003-02-21 05:33am

2 Great peices of music!

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-02-21 08:48am

Ah, but the best thing about 1812 is that eventhough it was a commission work to PRAISE the war, Tchiakovsky made fun of it.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-02-21 11:12am

Kelly Antilles wrote:Ah, but the best thing about 1812 is that eventhough it was a commission work to PRAISE the war, Tchiakovsky made fun of it.

When they heard it for the first time did they noticed he was poking them.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-02-21 11:13am

Vympel wrote:On a completely unrelated note, the 1812 overture is part of the Hearts of Iron soundtrack. As is Ride of the Valkryies.

Which makes HoI have possibly the best soundtrack of any game EVER. The music they chose for it fits the style of the game to a tee. Plus, I have always loved both of those tracks.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-02-21 11:20am

While Tchaikovsky blatantly rips off themes from other pieces of music, 1812 is well orchestrated. Probably the most amusing aspect of the piece is the fact that it has become such a staple of 4th of July performances in the United States, despite the fact that it was written to commemerate the Czarist victory over Napoleon.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-02-21 11:45am

I'm just going to be blatantly weird and say that my preference goes to Marche Slav as for war pieces..

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-02-21 12:45pm

Montcalm wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Ah, but the best thing about 1812 is that eventhough it was a commission work to PRAISE the war, Tchiakovsky made fun of it.
When they heard it for the first time did they noticed he was poking them.

Nope, not at all. Clueless, every last one of them.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-02-21 12:47pm

verilon wrote:I'm just going to be blatantly weird and say that my preference goes to Marche Slav as for war pieces..

I love Marche Slav. But, war pieces? Hm, I'd have to think long and hard on that one.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-21 12:52pm

irishmick79 wrote:While Tchaikovsky blatantly rips off themes from other pieces of music, 1812 is well orchestrated. Probably the most amusing aspect of the piece is the fact that it has become such a staple of 4th of July performances in the United States, despite the fact that it was written to commemerate the Czarist victory over Napoleon.

An irony I comment on every year. "You do know this is Russian patriotic music, don't you?"

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 03:14pm

what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-02-21 03:15pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?

IIRC, the War of 1812 was a British/French war over... something. As much as I am into history, I'm not that well caught up, as of late.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-21 03:16pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?

The Napoleonic Wars were drawing to a close.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-02-21 03:31pm

After nearly twenty years of constant warfare, Napoleon had conquered much of Europe. In 1812, he began the french invasion of Russia, with an army of nearly 600,000 men. The russian campaign was a disaster for France, resulting in losses nearing 500,000 men. It was the beginning of the end for Napoleon. For three more years, Napoleon fought a losing war to retain his empire, with final defeat taking place at Waterloo.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-21 11:09pm

verilon wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?
IIRC, the War of 1812 was a British/French war over... something. As much as I am into history, I'm not that well caught up, as of late.

Wow, never knew someone into history SO off the mark.

1812 was when Boney attacked Russia after Russia pulled out of the Continental System.

Napoleonic War lasted from 1802-1815.

Revolutionary War Went from 1793-1801.

War of the First Coalition was 1789-90, Second Coalition 1791-92, Third 92-93.

Several small wars happend as well, such as the 1806 war between the US and France.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 11:11pm

what was the usa during this itme?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-02-21 11:16pm

Ted wrote:
verilon wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?
IIRC, the War of 1812 was a British/French war over... something. As much as I am into history, I'm not that well caught up, as of late.
Wow, never knew someone into history SO off the mark.

1812 was when Boney attacked Russia after Russia pulled out of the Continental System.

Napoleonic War lasted from 1802-1815.

Revolutionary War Went from 1793-1801.

War of the First Coalition was 1789-90, Second Coalition 1791-92, Third 92-93.

Several small wars happend as well, such as the 1806 war between the US and France.

Don't forget that the US went to War with England as well that year, for such things as British Press Gangs boarding US ships and kidnapping US Sailors to work for them.
In return, the Brits in Canada came south and burned DC to the ground.
Then, in 1814 (two weeks after the peace treaty was signed... talk about communication lag) was the Battle of New Orleans, when the US troops under General Andrew Jackson sent the British invaders fleeing back to the Gulf.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-21 11:22pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Ted wrote:Don't forget that the US went to War with England as well that year, for such things as British Press Gangs boarding US ships and kidnapping US Sailors to work for them.
In return, the Brits in Canada came south and burned DC to the ground.
Then, in 1814 (two weeks after the peace treaty was signed... talk about communication lag) was the Battle of New Orleans, when the US troops under General Andrew Jackson sent the British invaders fleeing back to the Gulf.

No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".

New Orleans was in Dec 1814 - Jan 1815.

Approx 2,500 British troops were blacks, and about 500 of those were former US slaves they had freed in New Orleans.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 11:23pm

1812 Approves! :p

Good music, ey.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-02-21 11:39pm

Enforcer Talen:

I don't care for you using the No PETA sign, but could you change the slogan? Make em at least a tad different, hehe.

Ok, you may now resume your previous thread.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 11:40pm

you are just such a fashionable fellow, I wanted to follow in your wake.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-02-21 11:41pm

Ah, yes, I forgot, EVERYBODY wants to follow in my greatness.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-21 11:47pm

Ted wrote:No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".

What in the sam hill are you talking about? The British were boarding American merchant traders and ships of war and forcing sailors they determined to be of acceptable quaility to serve aboard British warships for fighting in the Nepoleonic war. If they were just taking deserters, it wouldn't have been enough to spark the war.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-21 11:47pm

Bwahaha! Hail Andrew Jackson, the Hero of New Orleans!

No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".

Our history books must differ on this subject. Mine say the British took off anyone.

Incidentally, I once saw this really dramatic chart which shows Napolean's march to and from Russia as a line that starts out very thick and ends up a thin fiber. Very powerful.