Xenomorphs vs Jedi/Sith

[Korgeta]

Assume the Xenomorph was brought in from beyond the rim by an unknown power at either the time of the old republic (obi wan and qui gon era or during the galactic empire with darth vader and luke skywalker for example. This power sees the existence of jedi and sith as the powers that bind the government they reside in. So they use creatures that are not part of the force (ie teleknesis cannot be used on the xeno and sith lighting has no effect, beat them back but unable to kill which is not so far fetched given the amount of punishment a xeno can take)

Which jedi or sith do you think could hold his own or could kill a xeno? Would any jedi or sith have a hard time going up against such a creature? And would a saber slicing into a xeno's body react badly with the acid for blood residing within a xeno?

[Lord of the Abyss]

I'd expect pretty much any Jedi/Sith to chop through xenomorphs about as fast as they can run and swing their lightsaber arm. Precog means they won't be hit, and lightsabers are non-solid cauterizing weapons; they won't be damaged, and will prevent splattering (which the Force users could probably dodge anyway).

[hunter5]

Quick question are we talking about the creatures from the Aliens movie franchise?

I'd expect pretty much any Jedi/Sith to chop through xenomorphs about as fast as they can run and swing their lightsaber arm. Precog means they won't be hit, and lightsabers are non-solid cauterizing weapons; they won't be damaged, and will prevent splattering (which the Force users could probably dodge anyway).

Or just force chuck stuff at them like Vader did to Luke in Cloud City.

[Batman]

Given I can see no reason why the Aliens xenos would NOT be affected by the Force I too must wonder just what particular xenomorph we are talking about.

[Ghost Rider]

Uh...how is the xenomorph going to stop the Force? Is it a Zahn wormie with teeth and claws?!

But if we are playing by this level of stupid, the Jedi or Sith have options of grabbing around said creature and crushing it. Grabbing a massive object and smashing, small object and shredding, or just simple slice/dice, or finally grabbing a gun and blasting.

The Xenomorph is only a threat to underarmed or unprepared or plain fucking stupid. That's why the movies have to have the heavily armed act stupid as fuck or have it attack people that aren't armed that heavily.

[Peptuck]

Can't the Jedi/Sith just pick up a blaster and shoot the xenomorph?

[Discorde]

Pretty much any Jedi or Sith could take out a Xeno. A Sith could fry it with force lightning, either side could kill it by hurling big objects at it, or they could, y'know, use a blaster. Unless the Xenos were used in an assassination attempt, they probably wouldn't even have to get their hands dirty with them, pretty much any soldier in the Star Wars universe would be able to kill Xenomorphs. US Colonial Marines take out pretty impressive numbers of them with much more primitive tech than what's available in the Star Wars universe.

As for lightsabers insta-cauterizing wounds and preventing acid splash, I'm not so sure. It appears to depend on the biology of the victim: Lightsaber wounds on humans cauterize on contact, but in A New Hope, we clearly see a pool of blood from Ponda Baba's severed arm. Since we don't know if Xenomorph biology most closely resembles human or Aqualish biology in this respect, we don't know if lightsaber combat against them is safe or if it's suicide by acid burn.

[Themightytom]

Uh...how is the xenomorph going to stop the Force? Is it a Zahn wormie with teeth and claws?!

But if we are playing by this level of stupid, the Jedi or Sith have options of grabbing around said creature and crushing it. Grabbing a massive object and smashing, small object and shredding, or just simple slice/dice, or finally grabbing a gun and blasting.

The Xenomorph is only a threat to underarmed or unprepared or plain fucking stupid. That's why the movies have to have the heavily armed act stupid as fuck or have it attack people that aren't armed that heavily.

Even if a facehugger gestated in a ysalimiri and made a tiiiny but ferocious force immune Alien, they could still shoot it.

I suppose a xenomorph Vormskyr would be a challenge if it inherited the best properties, but its not like they would be particualrly effective without the Yuuzhon Vong transporting them from place to place and constructing elaborate mazes for them to chase Jedi through.

[Themightytom]

Funny idea though, we know the Xenomorph takes on "some" of the attributes of whatever it gestates in, the one in Alien was different from the one in Alien 3 for example. What if it it got into a rancor, i wonder how far that characteristic stretches,

[Darksider]

Can't the Jedi/Sith just pick up a blaster and shoot the xenomorph?

Indeed. Despite the BS Kreia spews in KoToR 2 about them trying to "wield a blaster as they would a lightsaber," some Jedi, Obi-Wan in particular; seem to be excellent shots with them.

Now I'm getting a mental image of a bunch of Xenos getting mowed down by Jedi in battle armor and after wards Obi complains about how "uncivilized" the whole thing was in a condescending tone of voice.

[Rye]

I'd expect pretty much any Jedi/Sith to chop through xenomorphs about as fast as they can run and swing their lightsaber arm. Precog means they won't be hit, and lightsabers are non-solid cauterizing weapons; they won't be damaged, and will prevent splattering (which the Force users could probably dodge anyway).

I thought that force-immune aliens don't emit whatever it is that allows force users to predict what will happen? If the aliens are force-immune and stick to their usual tactics of building nests in tight tunnels where it's difficult to see them, then the Jedi are going to have issues when they go in to rescue impregnated citizens and cannot rely on their enhanced powers. I would guess they would be confounded and terrified and die in similar numbers to the marines.

Oh, and the Jedi are pretty fucking stupid, and repeatedly so. They're swashbuckling adventurers and close combat battle types. They'll run into hives thinking they're awesome and get eaten because they've no reason to doubt their powers until a mouth is rammed through the top of their skull. Not being able to rely on the force (something they're indoctrinated into as per the films) may very well lead to panic and death for them, relying on their empirical senses in alien hives tends to be difficult even when you're not used to relying on mystic radar.

Not sure about the cauterising end-all of the lightsabre, too. The alien blood may be designed to splatter; under high pressure and in wide reservoirs where there's not enough solid or near-solid material to fuse the wound closed, or keep it closed.

Out in the open, pretty much any Jedi could take one, but when was the last time we saw a fucking alien out in the open?

Given I can see no reason why the Aliens xenos would NOT be affected by the Force I too must wonder just what particular xenomorph we are talking about.

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

[Batman]

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

[Bakustra]

I'd expect pretty much any Jedi/Sith to chop through xenomorphs about as fast as they can run and swing their lightsaber arm. Precog means they won't be hit, and lightsabers are non-solid cauterizing weapons; they won't be damaged, and will prevent splattering (which the Force users could probably dodge anyway).

I thought that force-immune aliens don't emit whatever it is that allows force users to predict what will happen? If the aliens are force-immune and stick to their usual tactics of building nests in tight tunnels where it's difficult to see them, then the Jedi are going to have issues when they go in to rescue impregnated citizens and cannot rely on their enhanced powers. I would guess they would be confounded and terrified and die in similar numbers to the marines.

Oh, and the Jedi are pretty fucking stupid, and repeatedly so. They're swashbuckling adventurers and close combat battle types. They'll run into hives thinking they're awesome and get eaten because they've no reason to doubt their powers until a mouth is rammed through the top of their skull. Not being able to rely on the force (something they're indoctrinated into as per the films) may very well lead to panic and death for them, relying on their empirical senses in alien hives tends to be difficult even when you're not used to relying on mystic radar.

Not sure about the cauterising end-all of the lightsabre, too. The alien blood may be designed to splatter; under high pressure and in wide reservoirs where there's not enough solid or near-solid material to fuse the wound closed, or keep it closed.

Out in the open, pretty much any Jedi could take one, but when was the last time we saw a fucking alien out in the open?

There is nothing to suggest that anything that is Force-blind or -immune can interfere with a Jedi's powers, and there is not enough information about how precognitive abilities work in Star Wars to suggest that it involves a psychic connection through the Force. Only ysalamiri and derived creatures have the ability to jam the Jedi's connection to the Force, and handing the bugs these powers willy-nilly smacks of ludicrous efforts to defeat Jedi/Sith. If you must, think about Doctor Manhattan exploding Jedi by the thousands per second or something until the urge goes away.

When it comes to alien blood, that doesn't seem to be supported by the movies. The facehugger doesn't spray acid, it just dribbles from a cut, which then stops flowing (either sealing up, or running dry). Hudson gets killed by a spray of acid, but there's no fountaining, which doesn't indicate high-pressure reservoirs either. But if you have some counter-evidence, I'd be glad to see it.

The advantage of a lightsaber is that it's hot enough to potentially boil off acid that hits it... but this could well be a disadvantage if alien blood is toxic or somehow still as corrosive when vaporized, and the Jedi dies a screaming death as his face melts. So now I'm interested (the prospect of ridiculously gruesome deaths in a versus is always intriguing).

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

To make this scenario one in which those stinking Jedis and Siths lose for once like the losers they are! I mean, a handicap to allow the aliens to compete more fairly.

[Shroom Man 777]

It would be awesome if a Jedi used the Force to allow himself to vomit out a chestburster from his guts.

[Discorde]

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

Xenomorphs are from a foreign universe, and have no midi-chlorians in their cells -- there are no midi-chlorians in their home universe.

Of course, this wouldn't grant them immunity to a Jedi using the Force to throw giant rocks at them.

[Bakustra]

It would be awesome if a Jedi used the Force to allow himself to vomit out a chestburster from his guts.

Vomit? You think in such tasteful terms. I'm envisioning a Jedi attempting surgery on himself with his lightsaber and well-applied telekinesis before he becomes frustrated enough to just tear the thing out with the Force. And then he misses, tearing out a chunk of his kidney! Blood, bile, and urine spraying everywhere! The Jedi swearing up a storm as he uses the Force to grab disinfectants and antibiotics and sutures!

What were we talking about, again? Oh, Jedi and Sith! In any case, Jedi and Sith do have one particular advantage that's been neglected: they can make their own entrances and carve their own pathways through the hive, unless now the hive is made from lightsaber-proof materials. This makes getting hostages out easier, obviously, since they can just carve their own exit rather than fighting through awakening swarms... but being limited to lightsabers hampers this, since they have to engage the aliens at close distances. Of course, Old Republic Jedi seem to prefer avoiding the use of blasters period, so the availability of other weaponry might not make that much of a difference.

[Stofsk]

Bakky, Drake was the one that died from being sprayed with acid. Hudson presumably died after being dragged away by the xenos much later.

[Bakustra]

Bakky, Drake was the one that died from being sprayed with acid. Hudson presumably died after being dragged away by the xenos much later.

Whoops. Oh well, the point stands.

[PREDATOR490]

I seem to recall Ysalamari DO have an adverse effect on folks with Force powers as indicated by The New Rebellion Novel.

During which Luke, Mara and Kueller all experience discomfort around these things. The book even describes the effects of the Ysalamari from the perspective of Luke and Krueller during their fight.

From Luke's Perspective

Pg 509:
...
Luke's lightsaber had reached a thirty degree angle with his chin when he felt as if he were wrapped in a warm soft blanket. He could still see through his eyes but the rest of his senses were suddenly dim. He could no longer sense Leia or even Kueller.

His blade came up and Kueller's blade swung back, but Luke couldnt leave his own body. He had lost the Force. It was gone. He was blind and numb without it.
He would die without it.

From Kueller's Perspective
Pg. 511

Keuller felt as if he was moving through mud. The swift grace that had come with his lightsaber training faded as if it had never been. The strength that flowed through him since he killed the Je'har had suddenly disappeared.
...
He didnt know what kind of trick Skywalker was using on him. He suddenly could'nt think very clearly. It was as if he had been tossed underwater. All that he relied upon within himself had disappeared.
Then he noticed a similar expression on Skywalker's face. The man looked stunned. He wasnt manipulating his lightsaber as well as he should.

I think it is fair to say that if a Xenomorph can generate a similar effect, most Force Users will be royally fucked up.
Enough to give a Xeno the chance to kill them ?

Depends on wether or not the Force User can compensate quickly enough. If the effect literally causes ALL of their senses to go out of whack INCLUDING lightsaber usage then this is the highest chance a Xeno is likely to kill them.

Otherwise:
Without some method of blocking the Force a Xeno is going to get rapidly mauled against a Force User. The only exception being if the Force User is not trained very well or suffers from 'disabilities' I.E Corran Horn being unable to use TK or similar 'weak' Force Users.
In extremely large numbers I suppose Xenos could eventually pile up enough bodies and wear down a Force User to the point they win but those kind of situations in the movies didnt happen much and with their 'danger senses' I dont imagine a Force users is going to walk into a nest of these things.

If it's a repeat of Aliens... very close combat with creatures that like to strike from unusual angles. Might work if they catch folks with no Precog going otherwise Xenos are still fucked.

[Rye]

There is nothing to suggest that anything that is Force-blind or -immune can interfere with a Jedi's powers, and there is not enough information about how precognitive abilities work in Star Wars to suggest that it involves a psychic connection through the Force.

I thought the vong were unsensed via the force and were generally cut off from it? I'm only going by third parties here, since Hell knows I'm not going to read that nonsense.

When it comes to alien blood, that doesn't seem to be supported by the movies. The facehugger doesn't spray acid, it just dribbles from a cut, which then stops flowing (either sealing up, or running dry). Hudson gets killed by a spray of acid, but there's no fountaining, which doesn't indicate high-pressure reservoirs either. But if you have some counter-evidence, I'd be glad to see it.

I think Hudson just gets dragged down whilst shooting, Drake gets the splatter from a shotgun blast. The bursting that I recall was mostly from the APC driving over the aliens.

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

Perhaps they were designed that way by the jockeys? Perhaps they came from a Pandora-like world that thought they were unpleasant and removed their species from the force? Perhaps they're just so alien they happen to be so? Maybe Giger decreed it? Perhaps they have anti-midichlorians? It's not like we know how it works, it doesn't fucking matter.

[Stofsk]

It wasn't from a shotgun blast, it was from Vasquez's smart gun.

Jeez didn't you guys watch the films?

[Darksider]

I thought the vong were unsensed via the force and were generally cut off from it? I'm only going by third parties here, since Hell knows I'm not going to read that nonsense.

The Vong could not be sensed through the force, but they didn't create a "force-null" field like the Ylismari could. Offensive force powers like Telekenesis and Lightning still worked on them, and the Jedi's "danger sense" still enabled them to deflect their blows with a lightsaber.

[BLACKSUN2000]

Xenomorphs are from a foreign universe, and have no midi-chlorians in their cells -- there are no midi-chlorians in their home universe.

That didn't stop the jedi using the force on the Vong. It didn't stop the jedi from manipulating things like rocks, metals, and droids, and since none of those aren't organic/have midi-chlorians...it's obviously not the case.

[Cykeisme]

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

Xenomorphs are from a foreign universe, and have no midi-chlorians in their cells -- there are no midi-chlorians in their home universe.

Of course, this wouldn't grant them immunity to a Jedi using the Force to throw giant rocks at them.

If that's the only additional versus-debate specific advantage the xenomorphs have, and they are exactly as they appear in the Alien movies aside from that, then Jedi will have absolutely no problem whatsoever.

As has already been stated, battle droids have no midi-chlorians or connection to the Force either.

[NecronLord]

Out in the open, pretty much any Jedi could take one, but when was the last time we saw a fucking alien out in the open?

"They mostly come at night, mostly."

There's no reason to think they'd refuse to give battle in the open. Newt certainly seems to think they'll wander out into such and she's the closest thing to an expert on their doings.

The Jedi can just plant thier battle banners outside wherever and wait.