Gainesville church to protest city’s gay mayor and hold ‘Burn a Koran Day’
The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville has been stirring up controversy in recent days, with the announcement of two upcoming events: a “No Homo Mayor Protest” on Aug. 2, focusing on the city’s first openly gay mayor, Craig Lowe, and the “International Burn a Koran Day,” slated for the anniversary of 9/11.
Dove World pastor Terry Jones, author of the recently released book Islam Is of the Devil, insists that the Bible is the world’s only legitimate religious text and is asking his followers to “stand against the evils of Islam” on Sept. 11.
From Jones’ YouTube “Braveheart Show”:
There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is no such thing as peaceful Islam. There are moderate or peaceful Muslims, but there is no peaceful Islam or moderate Islam, because you cannot separate Islam from Islamic Law, and Islamic law calls for violence, jihad, war, hates Israel, hates Christians. So there is no such thing as the “good ol’ Islam down the road.” Their desire is to rule, reign, take over.
Jones also calls for halting all Muslim immigration to the U.S. and a ban on the construction of new mosques.
The Religion News Service reported that in response to the self-described “New Testament, Charismatic, Non-Denominational Church” posting of the event on Facebook a little more than a week ago, people have been mailing Korans to the church to burn. Jones said organizers got the idea, in part, from another Facebook page, called “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day.”
The Council on American-Islamic Relations has called on Muslims to counter the planned holy book burning with “Share the Koran” dinners geared towards educating the public during the month-long fast of Ramadan beginning in August.
Sept. 11 will fall during the Eid al-Fitr holiday this year, when Muslims mark the end of the holy month of Ramadan. Local Muslims are planning to use the feast as an opportunity to share Islamic traditions and Qurans with the church members and the wider community.
“We don’t want to do anything that would be reactive,” said Ramzy Kilic, communications director of the Tampa Chapter of CAIR.
On May 10, a pipe bomb exploded in the Islamic Center of Northwest Florida in Jacksonville. No worshippers were hurt, but Kilic said the planned burning of Qurans could escalate tensions in the area.
“American Muslims and other people of conscience should support positive educational efforts to prevent the spread of Islamophobia,” said CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper. He said CAIR’s research shows that anti-Muslim bias decreases when people have access to accurate information about Islam and are able to connect on a personal level with ordinary Muslims.
It's not much of a stretch to imagine that if that happened, there would probably be retaliatory violence - against mosques absolutely, and people probably.
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Way to overwork a metaphor Shadow. I feel really creeped out now.
I am an artist, metaphorical mind-fucks are my medium.
"Where they burn books, at the end they also burn people." - Heinrich Heine, Almansor - A Tragedy, 1823
Well, let's hope it doesn't go that far.
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Serafina - well, Heinrich - has the right of it. No matter what the book is, we shouldn't make an event out of burning it.
What about religious pamphlets? Are they fair game? Or some other kind of icon? It's a bit tricky - you can't burn a cross or they're think you'll the Klan and you'll be sending entirely the wrong message. Burn an actual crucifix, Jesus and all, and you'd probably provoke a violent response.
I have burnt a pamphlet in the past, actually, Religious nutjob showed up when me and my friend were chilling at his house. Neither of us had the balls to do something outrageous like tell him he was interrupting group masturbation therapy or someshit like that, so we just thanked him, took his pamphlet out to the back yard and grilled the sucker. It was kind of fun, though the fumes were a bad idea. (We couldn't find lighter fluid or rubbing alcohol and it wouldn't catch on it's own, so we improvised with some of every liquid in the house with a flammable warning label.)
But then, perhaps that's what the lunatics organizing this want. They want it to be so outrageous that a bunch of dirty heathen mooslims or damn dirty libruls burn a gigantic stack of the King James, so they can screech about how it's "war on christianity." The most noble approach would be to completely ignore the attention-seeking, incident-craving whack-jobs and just go about your day.
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Dude...
Way to overwork a metaphor Shadow. I feel really creeped out now.
I am an artist, metaphorical mind-fucks are my medium.
They don't specify who they outreach to, now do they?
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Serafina wrote:"Where they burn books, at the end they also burn people." - Heinrich Heine, Almansor - A Tragedy, 1823
Well, let's hope it doesn't go that far.
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again. The mentality of these people is exactly the same as the people behind the Inquisition, the witch trials and burnings, etc, etc. If they had the power I have no doubt that they certainly would be burning people at the stake.
Mr. Harley: Your impatience is quite understandable.
Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry... I wish it were otherwise.
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If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other." – Frankenstein's Creature on the glacier[/size]
I always love it when people who should know what the Bible says are completely ignorant of what it says. Such as the guy saying that "you cannot separate Islam from Islamic Law, and Islamic law calls for violence, jihad, war, hates Israel, hates Christians[,] o there is no such thing as the “good ol’ Islam down the road.” Their desire is to rule, reign, take over" and not realizing that you can say the exact goddamn thing about Christianity (well, substitute "Muslims" for "Christians" in there). Hasn't he read the Pentateuch and it's thousands of theocratic and dictatorial rules? Or the rules set down by St. Paul that are no better at all? And, if he has, he rationalizes it away as "Jesus loves everyone and just wants them to live in salvation!" The irony there is that one can say the exact same thing about Islam and Muhammad.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I have burnt a pamphlet in the past, actually, Religious nutjob showed up when me and my friend were chilling at his house. Neither of us had the balls to do something outrageous like tell him he was interrupting group masturbation therapy or someshit like that, so we just thanked him, took his pamphlet out to the back yard and grilled the sucker. It was kind of fun, though the fumes were a bad idea. (We couldn't find lighter fluid or rubbing alcohol and it wouldn't catch on it's own, so we improvised with some of every liquid in the house with a flammable warning label.)
[sarcasm]Hardcore! That showed him![/sarcasm]
Back on Topic:
That shit (burning religious items) wouldn' t fly where I live.
But those guys have no sense of irony, do they? It' s kind of a doublethink mentality, acting violent while preaching love.
3 things:
These people are the loons that sent their children to school with shirts displaying the text "Islam is of the Devil".
The attempted bombing (it was supposed to ignite a propane tank IIRC) of the Jacksonville mosque remains unresolved. Security footage from earlier in the year showed two different people (at least one was a white male) trying to gain entrance to or snooping around the mosque.
Anecdotal: My girlfriend reports they regularly protest on the University of Florida's campus.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I have burnt a pamphlet in the past, actually, Religious nutjob showed up when me and my friend were chilling at his house. Neither of us had the balls to do something outrageous like tell him he was interrupting group masturbation therapy or someshit like that, so we just thanked him, took his pamphlet out to the back yard and grilled the sucker. It was kind of fun, though the fumes were a bad idea. (We couldn't find lighter fluid or rubbing alcohol and it wouldn't catch on it's own, so we improvised with some of every liquid in the house with a flammable warning label.)
But those guys have no sense of irony, do they? It' s kind of a doublethink mentality, acting violent while preaching love.
I'll be honest, I have a really hard time believing that this is doublethink. I think this is just a case of pure, undiluted hate. The Bible, as noted, has plenty of examples of "kill the non-believers", and since Islam is the evil in America at the moment (gays and atheists are too, but they're not as big or as scary. Atheists haven't bombed anything lately in the name of atheism). They know exactly what they are doing, they know that it contradicts the "love" parts of the Bible, but that's the beauty of the Bible. Pick one passage, and your love for your fellow neighbor is the right call. Pick another passage, and you can slaughter your perceived enemies all you want. This organization is using the legal means of the latter. And possibly trying to stir the other side into doing something stupid so they can cry about how evil Islam is while all they were doing was practicing free speech.
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