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DailyTech wrote:Turns out the Joint Chiefs of Staff's assessment that Wikileaks would have "blood" on its hands may be right

After a period of inactivity following the arrest of top U.S. military leaker Bradley Manning, Wikileaks roared back to life this week, releasing a virtual stockpile of 90,000 U.S. military documents on operations in Afghanistan, many of them classified. Wikileaks chief Julian Assange,whose own organization operates in utter secrecy, criticized the U.S.'s lack of transparency and justified the leaks by saying they revealed questionable behavior by Pakistan and detailed 195 accidental civilian deaths on the hands of the U.S. and its allies.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen condemned the leak at a press conference. Speaking to reporters, Mullen remarked that "Mr. Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing. But the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family."

That prediction may have been proven correct. A spokesperson named Zabihullah Mujahid who represents the Taliban, said that the group's leadership was thankful for the leaks and was pouring over the leaked documents searching for the names of the U.S.'s supporters in Afghanistan.

Mujahid states, "We are studying the report. We knew about the spies and people who collaborate with U.S. forces. We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them."

The Taliban spokesperson bragged of past killings of local officials which he claims were informants. He even recalls one occasion in which Taliban officers strapped "two alleged traitors to explosives before detonating them in public." Other "traitors" have been murdered by means such as beheadings, shootings, or hangings.

Like journalists, the U.S. government says it tries to protect its sources and supporters. Defense Secretary Gates commented, "I spent most of my life in the intelligence business, where the sacrosanct principle is protecting your sources. It seems to me that, as a result of this massive breach of security, we have considerable repair work to do in terms of reassuring people and rebuilding trust, because they clearly—people are going to feel at risk."

President Obama has condemned the leak. Before the leak, his administration's officials had reportedly begged Wikileaks' Assange to not release all the documents, saying they could endanger lives.

Assange admitted in media interviews that he did not review even the majority of the released documents personally. It now appears that the documents may not just contain civilian death reports, but also records of U.S. supporters.
Utterly criminal. (which was my opinion beforehand).
When something is rated as classified by the military, there's often a fucking good reason for that.
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I guess that depends how much blind faith you have in the military; it doesn't surprise me that this is wearing a bit thin for many.
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Stark wrote:I guess that depends how much blind faith you have in the military; it doesn't surprise me that this is wearing a bit thin for many.
Well, obviously there are many things put as classified which don't deserve it (minutae or otherwise), but lists of informers and conidential reports and the like?

What do you mean is wearing a bit thin, people complaining on the repercussions of the leak, or people complaining about the former?
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Some things are also classified to bury them, which (I imagine) is what these wikileaks tryhards are all about.

And after what, ten years of hilarious lies from the military, does it surprise you people don't just believe them? That's different from these guys, who could have read the documents to determine the risk value, but just because the military says xyz (especially the US military) isn't going to go far with many.
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From the Lateline interview with Julian Assange, where he points out that they made attempts to contact the US gov't after receiving the materials in an effort to scrub any names or other identifiers which may have put people at risk. And the gov't didn't even respond.
Lateline Transcript wrote:TONY JONES: Well, not according to the Pentagon. They're accusing you of revealing the identities of Afghan informants and putting their lives at risk. Afghan's president, Karzai, agrees with that he says 'the breach is extremely irresponsible and shocking.' Your response to those comments.

JULIAN ASSANGE: Well we have yet to see clear evidence of that. I mean the London Times is also making this allegation today and in a quite disingenuous way, for example they mention some informers' names they say they had found and with a headline Afghan informer already dead, but when you actually read the story what you see is in fact that individual that they're mentioning died two years ago.

So there's a little bit of media manipulation occurring here. In terms of the Afghan government, it's in their interests to sort of play up the irresponsible, irresponsibility of the United States that they say has been involved in sort of collecting and permitting this data to release, be released.

Now we contacted the White House as a group before we released this material and asked them to help assist in going through it to make sure that no innocent names came out, and the White House did not accept that request.

TONY JONES: So you're saying that you offered the White House a chance to go through the documents, or officials from the White House a chance to go through the documents and single out names of people at risk. Is that correct?

JULIAN ASSANGE: Yeah that's right. Not, of course we did not offer them a chance to veto any material, but rather we told them that we were going through a harm minimisation process and offered them the chance to point out names of informers or other innocents who might be harmed and they did not respond to that request which was mediated through the New York Times who was our, acting as the contact for the four media groups involved in this.
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You don't "pour over" documents, either. It's "pore". Christ, are there any good journalists out there any more?

This whole issue is highlighting a lot of bad things about an already unpopular war that is getting ever less love from the public what with spending cuts and absolutely no real sense of progress. I don't condone leaking documents that jeopardise personnel from informants to troops in the field, but I also am sick of the military and government spin machine, especially from the US and UK governments heading the clusterfuck.
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weemadando wrote:
Lateline Transcript wrote:
JULIAN ASSANGE: Yeah that's right. Not, of course we did not offer them a chance to veto any material, but rather we told them that we were going through a harm minimisation process and offered them the chance to point out names of informers or other innocents who might be harmed and they did not respond to that request which was mediated through the New York Times who was our, acting as the contact for the four media groups involved in this.
Yeah, bullshit. I can't believe this self-righteous asshole is trying to pin the blame for any deaths resulting from his own actions on the White House. That's a load of crap. If you want to leak information that might get informants killed, that's on you, not another organization that doesn't have an interest in helping you and in fact has a serious interest in shutting you up. Nice try, jackass.

I have to wonder why any informants would be named in any of these documents. I thought not naming your informants was Spy Rule Number One.
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He's talking about US informants, you dumbass. Obviously the US doesn't want the names of their informants known. :roll:
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I'm asking why the people who gathered and compiled human intelligence for the US would put their informants' names in writing at all (and thus make them vulnerable should documents get leaked). Who did you think I was talking about?
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Karrick wrote:I'm asking why the people who gathered and compiled human intelligence for the US would put their informants' names in writing at all (and thus make them vulnerable should documents get leaked). Who did you think I was talking about?
If you don't list them, there is a problem with source credibility. For instance, the guy they called "curveball". If someone had followed up on "curveball" they would have seen that he was known to be full of shit.

Then again. They wanted the shit. They wanted the shit so bad. And now, we've (U.S.) got lots of it.
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If you're not required to identify informants, I imagine every intelligence agent would have 1000 'informants' that require money fairly regularly and produce bland intel.

And a retirement house in the Maldives. :)
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Karrick wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Lateline Transcript wrote:
JULIAN ASSANGE: Yeah that's right. Not, of course we did not offer them a chance to veto any material, but rather we told them that we were going through a harm minimisation process and offered them the chance to point out names of informers or other innocents who might be harmed and they did not respond to that request which was mediated through the New York Times who was our, acting as the contact for the four media groups involved in this.
Yeah, bullshit. I can't believe this self-righteous asshole is trying to pin the blame for any deaths resulting from his own actions on the White House. That's a load of crap. If you want to leak information that might get informants killed, that's on you, not another organization that doesn't have an interest in helping you and in fact has a serious interest in shutting you up. Nice try, jackass.

I have to wonder why any informants would be named in any of these documents. I thought not naming your informants was Spy Rule Number One.
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I do wonder what the percentage of documents he got was code-word classified:

For example:

SECRET is basically "We know the MiG-23M can travel x nautical miles combat radius with y weapons." that gets handed out to USAF planning staffers and US Army ADA staffers.

SECRET/CHEX MIX is: "We know the MiG-23M can travel blah blah, due to a pilots manual we got."

SECRET/CHEETOS: "All the above, plus we got the manual from source CAP'N CRUNCH."

SECRET/THE KING: All the above, plus it names the source explictly.

So you can let in people on just enough information that they need.

The big problem is that SPC Manning was apparently an IT Geek /Analyst; so he had access to a lot of purer raw documents at a higher level than the average soldier logging in would have had.
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That makes sense, Drone. Thanks for the explanation.
Stark wrote:If you're not required to identify informants, I imagine every intelligence agent would have 1000 'informants' that require money fairly regularly and produce bland intel.

And a retirement house in the Maldives. :)
I would be pretty surprised if someone wasn't watching the bank accounts of intelligence agents. On the other hand, the government's track record for competency isn't exactly reassuring.
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MKSheppard wrote:I do wonder what the percentage of documents he got was code-word classified:

For example:

SECRET is basically "We know the MiG-23M can travel x nautical miles combat radius with y weapons." that gets handed out to USAF planning staffers and US Army ADA staffers.

SECRET/CHEX MIX is: "We know the MiG-23M can travel blah blah, due to a pilots manual we got."

SECRET/CHEETOS: "All the above, plus we got the manual from source CAP'N CRUNCH."

SECRET/THE KING: All the above, plus it names the source explictly.

So you can let in people on just enough information that they need.

The big problem is that SPC Manning was apparently an IT Geek /Analyst; so he had access to a lot of purer raw documents at a higher level than the average soldier logging in would have had.
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I can imagine the new restrictions the Army will place on people using technology -- you can only burn x number of documents or copy x number of documents on your computer; before the system locks up and you need a higher level permission.

They'll probably place it at something fairly high, like 1,000 documents or files so that you can still copy legimitate stuff without having to be harassed by the IT people; but so you can't simply copy a huge directory with 20,000 documents in it fairly easily.
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Karrick wrote:I'm asking why the people who gathered and compiled human intelligence for the US would put their informants' names in writing at all (and thus make them vulnerable should documents get leaked). Who did you think I was talking about?
Is this in the main literal lists-of-names, or is it more a matter of enough cross-reference-able information to allow the Taliban to work out who the information probably came from?
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Stark wrote:If you're not required to identify informants, I imagine every intelligence agent would have 1000 'informants' that require money fairly regularly and produce bland intel.

And a retirement house in the Maldives. :)
See german Abwehr during WWII, whose officers fabricated agents by the truckload and even invented spectacular acts of sabotage out of whole cloth :D

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Well, isn't this exactly the reason that only 75k of the 90k documents have been released?

Quoting from the Spiegel:
The editors in chief of SPIEGEL, the New York Times and the Guardian have agreed that they would not publish especially sensitive information in the classified material -- like the names of the US military's Afghan informants or information that could create additional security risks for soldiers stationed in Afghanistan.
From the New York Times:
The Times and the other news organizations agreed at the outset that we would not disclose — either in our articles or any of our online supplementary material — anything that was likely to put lives at risk or jeopardize military or antiterrorist operations. We have, for example, withheld any names of operatives in the field and informants cited in the reports. We have avoided anything that might compromise American or allied intelligence-gathering methods such as communications intercepts.
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A small amount of information has been withheld from publication because it might endanger local informants or give away genuine military secrets. Wikileaks, whose founder, Julian Assange, obtained the material in circumstances he will not discuss, said it would redact harmful material before posting the bulk of the data on its "uncensorable" servers.
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We have delayed the release of some 15,000 reports from the total archive as part of a harm minimization process demanded by our source. After further review, these reports will be released, with occasional redactions, and eventually in full, as the security situation in Afghanistan permits.
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So in short, everyone involved is making sure the stuff that could cause bloodshed locked up, and the OP is typical political grandstanding for the media.
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SirNitram wrote:So in short, everyone involved is making sure the stuff that could cause bloodshed locked up, and the OP is typical political grandstanding for the media.
More or less. However, I'm willing to bet the resources available to Wikileaks are significantly less than those available to the White House. If they slip up; overlook a name, a crucial paragraph, a document accidentally gets marked as harm-reduced when in fact it's raw and dangerous, that could allow the Taliban to potentially find someone and hurt them. Certainly, the Taliban are going to be looking for that kind of information.

Also of note, the kind of thing that needs to come out - like Abu Gahrib - and is exactly the thing the military would prefer to stay hidden, could provide the Taliban or other hostile agents with loads and loads of propaganda ammunition. Still, that's a far cry from directly hurting someone.
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SirNitram wrote:So in short, everyone involved is making sure the stuff that could cause bloodshed locked up, and the OP is typical political grandstanding for the media.
Wrong. The three major papers that Wikileaks leaked to have redacted everything, but not Wikileaks itself:
The Australian wrote:
In just two hours of searching the WikiLeaks archive, The Times found the names of dozens of Afghans credited with handing intelligence to US forces. Their villages are given for identification and, in many cases, their fathers' names.

US officers recorded detailed logs of the information fed to them by named local informants, particularly tribal elders. Julian Assange, the Australian WikiLeaks founder, claimed all the files released through his organisation had been checked for named informants and that 15,000 such documents had been held back.

A senior official at the Afghan Foreign Ministry said: "The leaks certainly have put in real risk and danger the lives and integrity of many Afghans. The US is both morally and legally responsible for any harm that the leaks might cause to the individuals, particularly those who have been named. It will further limit the US/international access to the uncensored views of Afghans."

The Pentagon claimed a preliminary review of the thousands of secret reports released by WikiLeaks showed that they posed no immediate threat to US forces. But experts warned that the Taliban and al-Qa'ida would already be using the information to target informers in the war zone.

Robert Riegle, a former senior intelligence officer, said: "It's possible that someone could get killed in the next few days."

Former CIA director Michael Hayden said militants would be able to find out "who was in the room" for the planning of specific operations, and then "would probably punish the traitor".

The potential human cost of the leaks added to pressure on the Pentagon to keep its secrets contained, and on the White House to revise Afghan strategy.

Among the documents is a 2008 report with a detailed interview with a Taliban fighter considering defection. He is named, with his father's name and village included. Intelligence on other Taliban fighters and commanders in his area is also included.

The man names local Taliban commanders and talks about other potential defectors. "The meeting ended with (X) agreeing to meet with intel personnel from the battalion," the report reads. It is not known whether the man subsequently left the Taliban.

In other documents, named Afghans offered information accusing others of being Taliban. In one case from 2007, a senior official accuses named figures in the government of corruption. In another from 2007, a report describes using a middleman to talk to an alleged Taliban commander who is identified. "(X) said that he would be killed if he got caught interacting with any coalition forces, which is why he hides when we go into (Y)," the report reads.

In another report, US officers negotiate with a named Taliban fighter through the man's brother and uncle. In all cases the dates and precise locations of the reports are included

Mr Assange, appearing at the Frontline Club in London yesterday, said: "We held back 15,000 reports not because we viewed that they would be any threat to Western forces in Afghanistan but rather because some of them, a very, very few number, mentioned the names of local Afghanis that might have been subject to retribution. We're not sure yet but we decided to pause."

He claimed WikiLeaks had implemented a "harm-minimisation policy" to weed out documents that could endanger the lives of Afghans. When pressed on whether WikiLeaks had the expertise to apply such a policy, Mr Assange said: "We have read more leaked documents than any other organisation that's not a spy agency. If someone can apply this policy, surely we can do it."
And, of course, it's not as if the Taliban themselves don't have access to the main source:
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Speaking by telephone from an undisclosed location, Zabihullah Mujahid told Channel 4 News that the insurgent group will investigate the named individuals before deciding on their fate.

"We are studying the report," he said, confirming that the insurgent group already has access to the 92,000 intelligence documents and field reports.

"We knew about the spies and people who collaborate with US forces. We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the US. If they are US spies, then we know how to punish them."

The US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said last night that America has a "moral responsibility" to protect those who might be in danger.

"This department is conducting a thorough, aggressive investigation to determine how this leak occurred, to identify the person or persons responsible, and to assess the content of the information compromised," he said.

"The battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops, our allies, and Afghan partners, and may well damage our relationships and reputation in that key part of the world," he added.

The Taliban regularly executes those accused of collaborating. Methods of execution include public hangings, beheadings, shootings and in one recent incident, strapping two alleged traitors to explosives before detonating them in public.

Zabihullah Mujahid said that the Taliban had come to know of the leaked secret documents through media reports.

There has been mounting concern among media organisations, including Channel 4 News, about the ethics of publishing some of these reports, even though the material is now openly available on the internet.

We, in common with other news organisations, have redacted parts of the text, including names of individuals, which might make it possible to identify people. But the raw material is viewable online.

In four days of trawling through the files, which are at times difficult to decipher due to the use of military acronyms, Channel 4 News has discovered scores of reports referring to named informers and collaborators. Many of these reports give the exact location of the individual concerned, their tribe, the names of other family members and other biographical details which make them readily identifiable.

Even individuals that are not named can be traced through the information they’ve supplied – whether it’s from their attendance of secret meetings or from their apparently precise knowledge of covert weapons shipments or the movements and locations of top Taliban commanders.

Prior to leaking the documents, the co-founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, told Channel 4 News that his team had reviewed the material and withheld 15,000 documents they deemed sensitive. Asked whether the leaks could cost lives, he said: "I think it’s unlikely that this will happen. We’ve worked hard to make sure there’s not a significant chance of anybody coming to harm."

But in the same interview, with Afghanistan specialist journalist Stephen Grey, Mr Assange admitted that "the journalist team that we put together on this has only just scratched the surface." One security expert has condemned the leak of material naming informers as "negligent and immoral."

In one leaked intelligence report, a named villager reports the location of a forthcoming meeting where 300-400 Taliban are due to assemble. Details of his tribe and his village are provided as is his designation: "Informant".

In another example, a pro-government Mullah and his son – who are named – are reported to have disclosed the location of a roadside bomb, intended to target coalition forces. Now the Mullah and his son can themselves be targeted.

Ironically, the coalition reconstruction teams – who work in villages to improve infrastructure and security for local people – are the source of the reports naming Afghan village elders who assist them.

Dozens of the reports from Afghan informers also name alleged Taliban insurgents, including top commanders and Taliban "volunteers" who are trained as suicide bombers. These individuals too are in danger of being targeted – there is no proof that the allegations that they belong to the insurgents have not been fabricated by the accusers.

It is also impossible to verify whether those named as informants are informants at all. Some of the files indicate suspicion, on the part of their US military authors, that those providing information may be attempting to draw coalition forces into personal blood feuds.

In Kabul today, President Hamid Karzai called the disclosure of named Afghan informers "extremely irresponsible and shocking."

"Whether those individuals acted legitimately or illegitimately in providing information to the Nato forces, their lives will be in danger now," he said.

The Pentagon, meanwhile, is reportedly reviewing tens of thousands of the classified battlefield reports to determine whether those identified could be at risk of reprisal.

A Pentagon spokesman said: "The naming of individuals could cause potential problems, both to their physical safety or willingness to continue support to coalition forces or the Afghan government."
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The New York Times apparently found the same type of thing:
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WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is reviewing tens of thousands of classified battlefield reports made public this week about the war in Afghanistan to determine whether Afghan informants were identified and could be at risk of reprisals, American officials said Wednesday.

A Pentagon spokesman, Col. David Lapan, said that a Pentagon assessment team had not yet drawn any conclusions, but that “in general, the naming of individuals could cause potential problems, both to their physical safety or willingness to continue support to coalition forces or the Afghan government.”

Speaking in Kabul on Thursday, the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, called the disclosure of the names of Afghans who had cooperated with NATO and American forces "extremely irresponsible and shocking."

"Whether those individuals acted legitimately or illegitimately in providing information to the NATO forces, their lives will be in danger now," said Mr. Karzai, who spoke at a press conference just after he said he discussed the issue with his advisors. "Therefore we consider that extremely irresponsible and an act that one cannot overlook."

A search by The New York Times through a sampling of the documents released by the organization WikiLeaks found reports that gave the names or other identifying features of dozens of Afghan informants, potential defectors and others who were cooperating with American and NATO troops.

The Times and two other publications given access to the documents — the British newspaper The Guardian and the German magazine Der Spiegel — posted online only selected examples from documents that had been redacted to eliminate names and other information that could be used to identify people at risk. The news organizations did this to avoid jeopardizing the lives of informants.

The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has said that the organization withheld 15,000 of the approximately 92,000 documents in the archive that was released on Sunday to remove the names of informants in what he called a “harm minimization” process. But the 75,000 documents WikiLeaks put online provide information about possible informants, like their villages and in some cases their fathers’ names.

Asked on NBC’s “Today” show on Wednesday if the killing of an Afghan as a result of the WikiLeaks disclosure would be considered “collateral damage” in his efforts to make details of the war public, Mr. Assange said, “If we had, in fact, made that mistake, then, of course, that would be something that we would take very seriously.”

National security officials, meanwhile, are worried that the attention WikiLeaks has received in the past week has elevated its profile and could be used to entice disgruntled officials to send classified information to its Web site, which solicits “classified, censored or otherwise restricted material of political, diplomatic or ethical significance” and asserts that “submitting confidential material to WikiLeaks is safe, easy and protected by law.”

One United States official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation, said government lawyers were exploring whether WikiLeaks and Mr. Assange could be charged with a crime. One question, some lawyers say, is whether they could be charged with inducing or serving as co-conspirators in violations of the Espionage Act, a 1917 law that prohibits the unauthorized disclosure of national security information.

Indeed, at a press club in London on Tuesday, Mr. Assange told reporters that before the most recent disclosure of documents, WikiLeaks had been warned by officials in the United States government that there had been “thoughts of whether I could be charged as a co-conspirator to espionage, which is serious.”

“That doesn’t seem to be the thinking within the United States anymore, however,” he added. He did not elaborate.

But on Wednesday, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said on Fox News that WikiLeaks itself should be prosecuted for its role, saying, “As far as I know, there’s no immunity for a Web site to be able to pass on documents” that were illegally leaked.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on Wednesday, Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, pressed the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, to say whether he expected that prosecutors would charge “both the individuals who provided the information and those who might have been involved in the dissemination of the information.”

Mr. Mueller demurred, saying that “at this juncture, I can’t say as to where that particular investigation will lead.”

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. was similarly vague about prosecutorial plans, telling reporters in Egypt, where he is on a trip, that what the leak inquiry “will lead to, whether there will be criminal charges brought, will depend on how the investigation goes.”

Still, several legal specialists in matters related to leaks of classified information say that prosecuting Mr. Assange or WikiLeaks on charges that they had violated the Espionage Act would face many hurdles, from the diplomatic difficulty in persuading a country to arrest and extradite Mr. Assange to an array of legal defenses he could mount if the United States managed to detain him. Mr. Assange is an Australian activist who has operated in various European cities.

Susan Buckley, a partner at the law firm Cahill Gordon & Reindel who specializes in communications law, said the Espionage Act had rarely been used and so there were few guides for how such a novel case would play out. For example, it is not clear whether the law applies to foreigners for actions overseas, although she noted that in a 1985 case, a judge ruled that the law did apply abroad.

It would also be highly unusual to use the law to go after the recipient and disseminator of a leak, rather than just the person who provided the information. Several scholars said they were aware of only one previous attempt to bring such a prosecution — the 2005 indictment of two former staff members of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee who were accused of passing on information about American policy toward Iran from a military analyst to Israel.

In 2009, prosecutors dropped the case after several court rulings that they said had sharply diminished the likelihood that they would win a conviction. But the Aipac case was controversial from the start, in part because it was seen as a step toward prosecuting journalists who write about classified matters, and a prosecution of Mr. Assange and WikiLeaks could also raise First Amendment issues.

A military spokesman noted that the Army had legal jurisdiction only over service members, and so any decision to prosecute WikiLeaks would be up to the Justice Department. A spokesman said the Justice Department would “not speculate on where the investigation may or may not lead or various other hypothetical scenarios.”

Mr. Assange has not said where he obtained the documents. But a military intelligence analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, has been charged with leaking other classified documents and videos that have appeared on the WikiLeaks Web site.

The disclosure of documents containing the names of Afghan informants, which was reported Tuesday in The Times of London, could further complicate the Obama administration’s efforts to manage the course of the war in Afghanistan.
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Alright. Wikileaks has done some foolishness. If they cause bloodshed, hit them with the full force of the law for those incidents.

That being said, this is different from 'Blood on their hands!'
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SirNitram wrote:Alright. Wikileaks has done some foolishness. If they cause bloodshed, hit them with the full force of the law for those incidents.

That being said, this is different from 'Blood on their hands!'
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