Commander substitution Gettysburg

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 05:53pm

Which commander if substituted for the leadership of the Union Army would be the most likely to lose to General Lee?

James T Kirk

Jean luc Picard

Benjamin Sisco

Kathryn Janeway

Johnathan Archer

Admiral Ozzel

Admiral Piett

Admiral Dalla

Mace Windu

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 05:56pm

Figures the picture of archer didn't work

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-21 06:06pm

Hmm....as bad as the Trek Captains are....Dalaa is cursed....everything she touches turns to shit....its a close run thing....but I think she'd be the worst...

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-21 06:20pm

Archer aka "Weinee."

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-21 06:22pm

*Edit
I am an idiot who can not read the first post in the thread-Bean

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 06:25pm

Mr Bean wrote:My moneys on Kirk to take this one though Windu stands a strong chance of single handley.......

Wait a second!
Which side are they on here? Lee or Grant?

Meede at gettysburg and they are taking the place of the Union army
The question is which one is the most likely to lose the battle instead of win.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 06:31pm

there is a reason Thrawn is not on the list!

We all know he would win

PS the Union commander at Gettysburg made several mistakes and they still won but who would completely screw it up is the question!

Eaglewood · Post by **Eaglewood** » 2003-02-21 07:21pm

It comes down to either Dalla or Janeway.

Daala because whatever she does, something "miraclous" always seems to happen for the heores. I think Daala is cursed, "hex'ed" or had terrible karma from a previous life. The saying "What goes around comes back around" might fit this situation.

But in all fairness, I think Daala wouldn't have such bad luck if she didn't face Luke, Leia, Han, etc over and over.... first in the Jedi triology with the sun crusher (7 years after Endor), then the next novels, I forgot the names but the planet with the weird bugs that grow and feed off people life-forces. I think they were Droma, Drelich, or Drolich, something like that. Been a long time since I read any Star Wars novels.

Janeway........ no brainer. She appears to have no understanding or grasp of intricate strategies. She'll probably say "Open Messenger Frequencies" and try to talk the Confederacy out of the battle.

Meanwhile she's doing that, the Confederate laughs at her and starts to mow down her troops. Her troops will probably have orders not to fight back, and ordered to be "peaceful pacifists".

Then... (If Janeway porn is actually that bad), she'd run into the middle of the Confederate Army buck naked, then the whole Confederate Army would go prostate and she can claim victory.

Janeway botches even that advatange! She'd try to reason with the prostate soldiers, then her remaining Union Soldiers try to pat the Confederate on their backs and try to shake hands or whatever peaceful stuff.

THEN the Confederate recovers and massacres the "Hippie" Union soldiers and Janeway in their midst.

Janeway wins my vote in the end. Not even Daala is THAT inept.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 10:27pm

BTW Why 1 vote for Mace?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-21 10:32pm

Eaglewood wrote:Then... (If Janeway porn is actually that bad), she'd run into the middle of the Confederate Army buck naked, then the whole Confederate Army would go prostate and she can claim victory.

I don't she may not use that because its morally wrong or something like that and if she does her own troops may gun her down anway.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-21 11:09pm

Daala will only lose if she encounters a hero. Remember, her raw skill was enough for Tarkin to notice her. That said, it'll either be Janeway.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-02-22 02:27am

Okaaaay, let's see here. A bunch of people who have absolutely no experience in commanding a 19th century foot army whatsoever try to defeat one of the greatest Generals in american military history. NONE of them have a chance.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-22 02:51am

irishmick79 wrote:Okaaaay, let's see here. A bunch of people who have absolutely no experience in commanding a 19th century foot army whatsoever try to defeat one of the greatest Generals in american military history. NONE of them have a chance.

can't we assume that one of them would do worse than any of the others?

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-02-22 03:03am

No.

Don't take this personally, but this commander substitution is insane. At least pick commanders from the same era as Meade, for cryin' out loud!

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-22 12:13pm

Personally i always liked Daala. I think she was more the victim of bad writing. Come on she had KJA looking after her career. It was only after her character appeared in a non-KJA book that she had any luck and showed her ability.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-22 12:19pm

you know what surprises me. There are no votes for Ozzel we already know he is incompitent!

SCI-Fi_Freak · Post by **SCI-Fi_Freak** » 2003-02-22 01:00pm

Yeah I would have thought that Ozzel would have gotten a couple votes, he was the idiot he pulled out to close to Hoth anyways. But I'd have to say Janeway, she doesn't have any strategic sense what so ever. I don't think that Daala was that bad, if Kyp hadn't blown her ass to hell in that Nebula she might have actually pulled it off, my vote goes to Janeway.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-22 01:28pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Personally i always liked Daala. I think she was more the victim of bad writing. Come on she had KJA looking after her career. It was only after her character appeared in a non-KJA book that she had any luck and showed her ability.

I think being written by KJA in the first place shows at least part of the curse she suffers under

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-22 04:53pm

[1] Janeway
[2] Archer
[3] Dalla

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-02-22 05:13pm

It comes down to a close call between Janeway and Archer.
Ozzel has only one example of being incompetent, and that's by the assessment of a political official (Vader), highly a creditable opinion (even with EU support for it's incompetence).

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-22 07:58pm

Janeway.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-22 08:02pm

I suppose the phantom that voted Picard was Q!

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-02-22 08:03pm

Isolder74 wrote:you know what surprises me. There are no votes for Ozzel we already know he is incompitent!

I'm not voting for him because I think he's a rebel sympathizer lol.

Anyway, I voted Janeway.....she has no tactical background of ground combat at all...

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-02-22 08:22pm

With Archer in commaned you can see the confederates walking up to the union line. The union soliders laugh all of a sudden, the union line dies in a hail of gun fire.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-02-22 10:53pm

Janeway she couldnt lead ants to a picnic

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Commander substitution Gettysburg

Which commander if substituted for the leadership of the Union Army would be the most likely to lose to General Lee?

Commander substitution Gettysburg