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What would Washington Do?
"Tea party" activists drawn to Williamsburg and its portrayal of Founding Fathers


By Amy Gardner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 1, 2010

WILLIAMSBURG -- The original Tea Party may have been in Boston, but some modern-day "tea party" activists are finding a powerful narrative this summer at a different historic landmark: Colonial Williamsburg

Amid the history buffs and parents with young children wandering along the crushed shell paths of Virginia's restored colonial city, some noticeably angrier and more politically minded tourists can often be found.

They stand in the crowd listening closely as the costumed actors relive dramatic moments in the founding of our country. They clap loudly when an actor portraying Patrick Henry delivers his "Give me liberty or give me death" speech. They cheer and hoot when Gen. George Washington surveys the troops behind the original 18th-century courthouse. And they shout out about the tyranny of our current government during scenes depicting the nation's struggle for freedom from Britain.

"General, when is it appropriate to resort to arms to fight for our liberty?" asked a tourist on a recent weekday during "A Conversation with George Washington," a hugely popular dialogue between actor and audience in the shaded backyard of Charlton's Coffeehouse.

Standing on a simple wooden stage before a crowd of about 100, the man portraying Washington replied: "Only when all peaceful remedies have been exhausted. Or if we are forced to do so in our own self-defense."

The tourist, a self-described conservative activist named Ismael Nieves from Elmer, N.J., nodded thoughtfully. Afterward, he said this was his fifth visit to Colonial Williamsburg.

"We live in a very dangerous time," Nieves said. "People are looking for leadership, looking for what to do. They're looking to Washington, Jefferson, Madison."

"I want to get to know our Founding Fathers," he added. "I think we've forgotten them. It's like we've almost erased them from history."

It's a common point of view among tea party activists. They say their unhappiness with Washington reflects how far the federal government has strayed, through taxation and regulation, from the Founders' intentions.

"They all should come here and listen," said Bob Rohrbacher, a retired plumber from Floral Park, N.Y., who opposes President Obama and was inspired to visit Williamsburg while watching Glenn Beck on Fox News. "They've forgotten about America."

Hundreds of visitors gather to listen to the "Revolutionary City" reenactments that take place throughout the day along the historic area's Duke of Gloucester Street.

One day last week, Patrick Henry stood on the south side of the colonial Capitol building and announced that a congress of representatives from all the colonies would begin meeting annually to protect the "united interests of America." The cheers were so enthusiastic that the tourists themselves might have been mistaken for colonists, were it not for the fanny packs and trilling cell phones.

One man, wearing a red, white and blue golf shirt emblazoned with the American flag and the text of the Declaration of Independence, joined the actors in exclaiming, "Well said!" every time a character uttered something patriotic.

The executives who oversee Williamsburg said they have noticed the influx of tea partiers, and have also noted a rise in the number of guests who ply the costumed actors for advice about how to rebel against 21st-century politicians. (The actors do their best to provide 18th-century answers.)

"If people . . . can recognize that subjects such as war and taxation, religion and race, were really at the heart of the situation in the 18th century, and there is some connection between what was going on then and what's going on now, that's all to the good," said Colin Campbell, president and chairman of Colonial Williamsburg. "What happened in the 18th century here required engagement, and what's required to preserve democracy in the 21st century is engagement. That is really our message."

The foundation that runs the programs at Colonial Williamsburg is nonprofit and nonpartisan, so neither Campbell nor other employees would venture an opinion on the significance of the tea party. But they welcome the business. Like most museums and historical sites, Williamsburg suffered during the recession; even before that, attendance had been dropping for more than a decade. In the late 1990s, annual ticket sales topped 1 million. Last year, that number had dropped to 660,000.

Campbell's hope is that such visitors come away having learned something about the nuance and messiness of history -- a theme that runs through all of Colonial Williamsburg's programming.

Sometimes, the activists appear surprised when the Founding Fathers don't always provide the "give 'em hell" response they seem to be looking for.

When a tourist asked George Washington a question about what should be done to those colonists who remain loyal to the tyrannical British king, Washington interjected: "I hope that we're all loyal, sir" -- a reminder that Washington, far from being an early agitator against the throne, was among those who sought to avoid revolution until the very end.

When another audience member asked the general to reflect on the role of prayer and religion in politics, he said: "Prayers, sir, are a man's private concern. They are not a matter of public interest. And nor should they be. There is nothing so personal as a man's relationship with his creator."

And when another asked whether the Boston Tea Party had helped rally the patriots, Washington disagreed with force: The tea party "should never have occurred," he said. "It's hurt our cause, sir."

That may not have been the answer the man expected from the father of our country. But even in that spirited crowd, no one was going to tell George Washington he was wrong.
I'm tempted to make a day trip to see if Washington relates the time he suppressed a rebellion that was Tax-related. :)
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Fucking Boston Tea Party. Overrated, if you ask me! Oh, the Bostonians tossed some tea into a harbor, what a bold move! We Rhode Islanders fucking torched a British tax ship like a year earlier! That's a goddamn bold move. :)
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The Vortex Empire wrote:Fucking Boston Tea Party. Overrated, if you ask me! Oh, the Bostonians tossed some tea into a harbor, what a bold move! We Rhode Islanders fucking torched a British tax ship like a year earlier! That's a goddamn bold move. :)
I'll say, the whole ordeal was some smugglers trying to stop the British East India Company from undercutting them.

Thats why they played dressup as indians, because they didn't want their actions leading back to them personally.
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I kinda wonder if some of those teabaggers realize that the entrance to Colonial Williamsburg is not a time warp and they are seeing or speaking to actors instead of the real George Washington and such.

While I would hope that nobody would be that stupid, I deal with some real morons every day, so I'm not sure.
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I kinda wish that were true. Maybe the actors would be able to talk some sense into these numb nuts.
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No, they won't. There was a Thomas Jefferson reenactor who was quoting the man himself on religion and his beliefs and all that, lines directly out of his books and letters, and people were getting all pissy-pants over it.

I also think it's twistedly funny to have Bible-thumpers these days drooling all over Thomas Paine. I mean, I know most of these people haven't actually read anything except maybe the Cliff Note versions that tell them how to interpret stuff, but he did write this wonderful little book called The Age of Reason and for centuries it sullied his name amongst these types. I read the book in high school (on my own, obviously). Good times.
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I find it hilarious that a bunch of people who hate BIG GUBBMINT ENSLAVING THEM are looking towards slave owners for talking points on liberty. That'd be like Teabaggers looking toward Karl Marx for economic advice.
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Yeah, but for them slavery is OK as long they're the ones doing the enslaving. This is the Confederate Apologist States Rights crowd after all.
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Oh to be a fly on the wall in the reenactors' break room.

I enjoy CW. It's a very Disney-like version of colonial life, but still enjoyable. I had actually thought about going down later this year (Only really sadistic people go down in the summer and tortue all those people wearing heavy wool), but if the place is going to be overrun with teabaggers I might just have to bone up on my counter-arguments before then.
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eion wrote:Oh to be a fly on the wall in the reenactors' break room.

I enjoy CW. It's a very Disney-like version of colonial life, but still enjoyable.
Yeah I'm sure Disney has slave auctions at the America pavilion at Epcot Center. :P
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Moving this to a more appropriate forum as this thread is too good to stay in testing.
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eion wrote:Oh to be a fly on the wall in the reenactors' break room.

I enjoy CW. It's a very Disney-like version of colonial life, but still enjoyable.
Yeah I'm sure Disney has slave auctions at the America pavilion at Epcot Center. :P
Hehe. I meant the fact that it is rather cleaned up in general. Everything's very manicured and proper. The tavern fare doesn't give you intestinal parrisites and the reenactors aren't obliged to sprinkle lice in their hair before going out.

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When another audience member asked the general to reflect on the role of prayer and religion in politics, he said: "Prayers, sir, are a man's private concern. They are not a matter of public interest. And nor should they be. There is nothing so personal as a man's relationship with his creator."

And when another asked whether the Boston Tea Party had helped rally the patriots, Washington disagreed with force: The tea party "should never have occurred," he said. "It's hurt our cause, sir."

That may not have been the answer the man expected from the father of our country. But even in that spirited crowd, no one was going to tell George Washington he was wrong.
Am I the only surprised by the 'self control' the teabaggers maintained, as opposed to them shouting at the actor that 'he's doing it wrong'?

Maybe they might be smart enough to avoid any more gaffes until after the November elections.
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Was the tea party a bad idea as actor Washington states? I know it caused the British government to shut down the port of Boston which was good for propoganda purposes, but it hurt the city's economy which was based upon trade.
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Samuel wrote:Was the tea party a bad idea as actor Washington states? I know it caused the British government to shut down the port of Boston which was good for propoganda purposes, but it hurt the city's economy which was based upon trade.
It works in the context of insurrectionist movements (for the lack of a more apt term) since their goal is to create alienation between the government and the peoples by goading the government into doing acts which harm the people (in this case, shutting down Boston's port is going to create discontent that is mostly aimed at the British, despite the Tea Party starting it all).
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Of course, they also tarred custom officials, committed violence against soldiers and loyalists etc.
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Pelranius wrote:Am I the only surprised by the 'self control' the teabaggers maintained, as opposed to them shouting at the actor that 'he's doing it wrong'?

Maybe they might be smart enough to avoid any more gaffes until after the November elections.
Given the media's interest in portraying the tea partiers as subhuman, racist mouth-breathers it isn't surprising that you don't expect them to behave like rational, intelligent people who merely have a different point of view.

There's a lesson here, I think.
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Pelranius wrote:Am I the only surprised by the 'self control' the teabaggers maintained, as opposed to them shouting at the actor that 'he's doing it wrong'?

Maybe they might be smart enough to avoid any more gaffes until after the November elections.
Given the media's interest in portraying the tea partiers as subhuman, racist mouth-breathers it isn't surprising that you don't expect them to behave like rational, intelligent people who merely have a different point of view.

There's a lesson here, I think.
Yeah, it is that this in no way invalidates the vast amount of racism shown in their parades.
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Man, I looked at the title and thought a crowd of kinky sex fiends were descending on Williamsburg. Sounds like fun! Oh, what a surprise, it's another bash the Tea Party attendees thread.

Thanas wrote:Yeah, it is that this in no way invalidates the vast amount of racism shown in their parades.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Pelranius wrote:Am I the only surprised by the 'self control' the teabaggers maintained, as opposed to them shouting at the actor that 'he's doing it wrong'?

Maybe they might be smart enough to avoid any more gaffes until after the November elections.
Given the media's interest in portraying the tea partiers as subhuman, racist mouth-breathers it isn't surprising that you don't expect them to behave like rational, intelligent people who merely have a different point of view.

There's a lesson here, I think.
I was just thinking of all the outbursts that they keep on interrupting even their own Republican candidates with. And the fact that tourists in general tend to be very rude regardless of political affiliations.
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Thanas wrote:Yeah, it is that this in no way invalidates the vast amount of racism shown in their parades.
Prove it.
I have to admit that although I am certainly predisposed toward believing the charges of racism, I have yet to see much of anything that I can point to and say see - racism!

I doubt this is a matter of sympathetic coverage because outside of Fox 'News' it doesn't appear to me that a lot of other newspipes are particularly sympathetic to the 'baggers.

So I want to see good solid proof too, probably for the opposite reason to Chocula's...
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: We Americans don't have a clue about how easy we have things. We live in a fucking paradise compared to a lot of other places and these ignorant-of-history mouth-breathers are getting all riled up by (highly-paid) TV and radio personalities, exhorting them to show their outrage because we pay a little tax. We're flushing trillions and thousands of lives in two wars, one of which is in a especially festering cesspool, and we're screaming because of a some domestic spending programs? Fucking madness.
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Maybe Americans don't travel enough, or widely enough. I've seen enough of the world to be very grateful for what we have. Heck, I've seen enough of the USA to be very grateful for the opportunities that I've had, here.
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Count Chocula wrote:Man, I looked at the title and thought a crowd of kinky sex fiends were descending on Williamsburg. Sounds like fun! Oh, what a surprise, it's another bash the Tea Party attendees thread.

Thanas wrote:Yeah, it is that this in no way invalidates the vast amount of racism shown in their parades.
Prove it.
Do we really have to dig up all those photos of racist billboards again? Wasn't a leader of a Tea Party group found to be a racist douche?

How many times do these people have to call Obama an Indonesian Muslim or say other racist shit before people admit there is a tinge of outright racism in these groups?
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Count Chocula wrote:
Thanas wrote:Yeah, it is that this in no way invalidates the vast amount of racism shown in their parades.
Prove it.
Oh no, you don't get to pull that card after you were involved in the very same thread where this was brought up.
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