The stupidest flaw

[lordofchange13]

X-wings definitely have shields, and film evidence suggests that at least some TIEs have them too. I'm not sure what you're trying to say for the second; ECM doesn't discriminate, to my knowledge.

I looked it up you are right x-wings do have shields, while TIE fighters don't. I must have mixed them up. you's win. but don't the rebels and Empire use diffrent frequency's?

As Srelex mentions the TIEs in ANH DID have at least rudimentary shields, the jamming was so heavy it affected MANEUVERABILITY and was stated to warp spacetime in the novelisation, and what was wrong with the TIEs targetting anyway? DESPITE the fact that only Vader's personal squadron launched thanks to Tarkin's arrogance they damn near managed to repel the rebel attack. Would have if not for Han's unexpected return.
Have you actually seen the movie?

yes but it took like 5 minutes for vader to finaly git a hit,even though he was right behind thim,moving down a narow trench.

[Batman]

55 seconds from 'I'm on their leader' to the hit that hit R2, 1:30 to Han blowing Vader out of the trench. How about no? And that ignores that X-Wings have ECM too, on TOP of the jamming done by the Death Star.

[lordofchange13]

55 seconds from 'I'm on their leader' to the hit that hit R2, 1:30 to Han blowing Vader out of the trench. How about no? And that ignores that X-Wings have ECM too, on TOP of the jamming done by the Death Star.

in hot space combat 55 seconds is pretty long, it feels like 5 minutes.

[Isolder74]

well people who have had that sergury would not be out as front line infantry, i also didn't say finger i sade hit with a ball for a nanosecound makes them fall over. the santarans are supost to be the greast army in the history of the universe, not chain smokers.

Whale Blowholes work the same so now be quiet.

[Batman]

55 seconds from 'I'm on their leader' to the hit that hit R2, 1:30 to Han blowing Vader out of the trench. How about no? And that ignores that X-Wings have ECM too, on TOP of the jamming done by the Death Star.

in hot space combat 55 seconds is pretty long, it feels like 5 minutes.

I couldn't possibly care less what it FELT like to you. You were either just plain wrong or lying. Vader managed to hit Luke's X-Wing in under a minute in a massive ECM environment and was about to toast him 30 seconds later when Han showed up to ruin his day.

[lordofchange13]

well people who have had that sergury would not be out as front line infantry, i also didn't say finger i sade hit with a ball for a nanosecound makes them fall over. the santarans are supost to be the greast army in the history of the universe, not chain smokers.

Whale Blowholes work the same so now be quiet.

so your comparing alien clone troopers to whales? and its hard to pluge up a whales blowhole with your finger. and same comment as before,whales are not front line infantry!

[Isolder74]

well people who have had that sergury would not be out as front line infantry, i also didn't say finger i sade hit with a ball for a nanosecound makes them fall over. the santarans are supost to be the greast army in the history of the universe, not chain smokers.

Whale Blowholes work the same so now be quiet.

so your comparing alien clone troopers to whales? and its hard to pluge up a whales blowhole with your finger. and same comment as before,whales are not front line infantry!

So I've provided at least two plausible scenarios for how a respiratory system can work the way seen with these creatures. Just because a whale is fishlike does not make a blowhole like respiration system not possible for a land animal. And you can block a whale blow hole if the whale is small enough! You are now sidestepping the point. It's biologically possible. So they are creatures that effectively have to breath through their noses. So what?

Implying that only a smoker gets a tracheal breathing tube is highly dimwitted and bigoted of you as well.

[lordofchange13]

But the santaran blowhole is wholy cybernetic, my point is why no have a less centelized machine so its less of a weakness, god is it so hard to git that idea across!? None of these whals or smokes matter, can we please git back to the santarans?

[Eddie Van Helsing]

But the santaran blowhole is wholy cybernetic, my point is why no have a less centelized machine so its less of a weakness, god is it so hard to git that idea across!? None of these whals or smokes matter, can we please git back to the santarans?

Has it occurred to you that most of the enemies in Doctor Who have completely absurd weaknesses because otherwise the Doctor would have burned through his allotted set of regenerations before the end of the first season? Sure, the Sontorans are easily suffocated. The Silurians could be tazed to death. The Cybermen used to be allergic to gold dust. And the fucking Daleks couldn't even climb stairs at first. Hell, a decent sniper could probably blind a Dalek with a well-placed .50 round through the eyestalk.

But they're up against the Doctor, who's really just a crazy man in a box. What are his weapons? He has a badass reputation. He has a magic wand that he insists is a sonic screwdriver. He knew kung fu when played by Jon Pertwee. When played by Tom Baker he had a long fucking scarf. He won't use firearms to directly attack his enemies. The Doctor's true weapon is the fact that the Doctor Who writers want him to win so that they can keep drawing a salary from the BBC.

The Doctor is Mary Sue in a bowtie and a fez with a serious jones for fish sticks dipped in custard, and that's just his current incarnation. Whoever takes over the role after Matt Smith leaves is going to have to work hard to top his predecessor.

[Batman]

While lordofchange13 is a moron who can't spell worth shit or use proper grammar this is a No Go. Writer's intent DOESN'T MATTER. The limits of the Doctor's opponents in-series ARE what we see on-screen. The limits of what the Doctor can do IS what we see on-screen.

[Eddie Van Helsing]

While lordofchange13 is a moron who can't spell worth shit or use proper grammar this is a No Go. Writer's intent DOESN'T MATTER. The limits of the Doctor's opponents in-series ARE what we see on-screen. The limits of what the Doctor can do IS what we see on-screen.

In other words, I crossed the line when I suggested that the Doctor's true strength lies in the writers' need to keep the show going? I apologize. I'm a Doctor Who fan myself; I keep watching because I wonder what kind of crazy shit the Doctor will get himself and his companions into next.

[Ilya Muromets]

No, it's not about any lines being crossed. When arguing franchises we take them as they are from what we see on canon. Arguing writer's intent and author's fiat gets you no where because those are, by definition, subjective. What're you gonna do when doing a versus argument between two characters with absurd levels of character shields on their sides? Bringing in author's intent will get you no where there because the writer clearly intends them to live no matter how unlikely, which leads to stupid things like: "I think the Enterprise crew can blow the Death Star up because they always find a way to analyze their enemies for weaknesses and make solutions before the episode ends!"

[lordofchange13]

While lordofchange13 is a moron who can't spell worth shit or use proper grammar this is a No Go. Writer's intent DOESN'T MATTER. The limits of the Doctor's opponents in-series ARE what we see on-screen. The limits of what the Doctor can do IS what we see on-screen.

In other words, I crossed the line when I suggested that the Doctor's true strength lies in the writers' need to keep the show going? I apologize. I'm a Doctor Who fan myself; I keep watching because I wonder what kind of crazy shit the Doctor will get himself and his companions into next.

true only nearly all counts, exsept that the daleks could fly during the origanial run. but does your agrument make my statement anyless true?

[Eddie Van Helsing]

No, it's not about any lines being crossed. When arguing franchises we take them as they are from what we see on canon. Arguing writer's intent and author's fiat gets you no where because those are, by definition, subjective. What're you gonna do when doing a versus argument between two characters with absurd levels of character shields on their sides? Bringing in author's intent will get you no where there because the writer clearly intends them to live no matter how unlikely, which leads to stupid things like: "I think the Enterprise crew can blow the Death Star up because they always find a way to analyze their enemies for weaknesses and make solutions before the episode ends!"

I'll remember that.

[Werrf]

true only nearly all counts, exsept that the daleks could fly during the origanial run. but does your agrument make my statement anyless true?

Problem with your analysis:
1) Minor quibble, that the probic vent is supposed to be where Sontarans 'draw nutrition', not where they breathe; it's a by product of their cloning process, and is biological in nature
2) More importantly, it's there on purpose to stop the Sontaran soldiers from turning their back on the enemy. After all, would you retreat, if you knew that turning and running would make you MORE vulnerable to whatever weapons are being pointed at you?

Whether it's a good idea or not you can debate, but it's not a flaw as such, it's a feature.

[lordofchange13]

ok, so your agreaing that there nutrient breathing hole is not just a stupid flaw, but a failure?

[Werrf]

ok, so your agreaing that there nutrient breathing hole is not just a stupid flaw, but a failure?

...no, I'm saying it's a design feature that works as intended.

[Darth Nostril]

ok, so your agreaing that there nutrient breathing hole is not just a stupid flaw, but a failure?

Can someone translate this into properly spelled grammatically correct English please?

[Eddie Van Helsing]

Can someone translate this into properly spelled grammatically correct English please?

If I get drunk enough to do so, I risk going full Randroid.

[Imperial528]

in hot space combat 55 seconds is pretty long, it feels like 5 minutes.

In case you didn't notice, there were turrets in the trench too. And they had to stay in the trench because running along the top would get them killed by the sheer amount of crossfire. The rebel pilots just got lucky enough that they managed to kill or be missed by the only turrets in the trench, the man in charge of the station didn't launch more fighters, and they had a quasi-jedi on their side, and that a smuggler decided to come back and save his ass so he could make the shot in the first place.

And even with this good luck, they still took heavy losses, and lost their base a few weeks later due to an Imperial invasion anyway.

[thegreatpl]

most of the Dr Who villain's weaknesses have been written out of the new who. The Daleks are now super impossible to stop since they have shields, and can fly up stairs. Cybermen no longer drop dead as soon as they touch gold, at least, we think that is the case.

The Sontaron weakness remains for probably the reasons already explained. It is on the back of the neck, so no one can just drop them when they advance on the battle line. Even the Doctor had to throw a ball against the wall for it to hit the probic vent. Frankly, in battle, when they work as a team, they probably are unstoppable. Problem is, The Doctor rarely fights them in battle, but outsmarts them.

Actually, The Doctors greatest weapon is probably his mind.

[lordofchange13]

in hot space combat 55 seconds is pretty long, it feels like 5 minutes.

In case you didn't notice, there were turrets in the trench too. And they had to stay in the trench because running along the top would get them killed by the sheer amount of crossfire. The rebel pilots just got lucky enough that they managed to kill or be missed by the only turrets in the trench, the man in charge of the station didn't launch more fighters, and they had a quasi-jedi on their side, and that a smuggler decided to come back and save his ass so he could make the shot in the first place.

And even with this good luck, they still took heavy losses, and lost their base a few weeks later due to an Imperial invasion anyway.

yes...so, the death star was like the most heavly defended anything exscluding imperial center. even with a untrained "jedi"(luke can't realy becaled a jedi, at best he's force-sinsetive at the time) a few douzon fighters shouldn't beable to even make it to the outershell, they sould of throne up an ion-net to nock out the fighterss, or at least have long range weapons beating the crap out of them on the way there!

[Ghost Rider]

in hot space combat 55 seconds is pretty long, it feels like 5 minutes.

In case you didn't notice, there were turrets in the trench too. And they had to stay in the trench because running along the top would get them killed by the sheer amount of crossfire. The rebel pilots just got lucky enough that they managed to kill or be missed by the only turrets in the trench, the man in charge of the station didn't launch more fighters, and they had a quasi-jedi on their side, and that a smuggler decided to come back and save his ass so he could make the shot in the first place.

And even with this good luck, they still took heavy losses, and lost their base a few weeks later due to an Imperial invasion anyway.

yes...so, the death star was like the most heavly defended anything exscluding imperial center. even with a untrained "jedi"(luke can't realy becaled a jedi, at best he's force-sinsetive at the time) a few douzon fighters shouldn't beable to even make it to the outershell, they sould of throne up an ion-net to nock out the fighterss, or at least have long range weapons beating the crap out of them on the way there!

I see you missed out when Dodonna talked about the defenses and noted small one man fighters getting through said defenses.

The rest, Imperial528 already told you about.

[lordofchange13]

the abillity for small one man fighters giting through is still a flaw, on which darth vader shouldn't of alowed. for highyly trained imperial soldiers and sith lords to allow a rage tag group of badly supplyed fighters to git through is a failer of such mesure,if i were the Emperor i would have beheaded them all; including vader.

[Isolder74]

Not only is the Death Star's flaw not has stupid as you might think it has happened time and again historically. This cracked.com article covers only a few. Not only does Babylon as they mention have a 'Death Star' type flaw so did Jerusalem under the rule of the Jebusites as well.

One magic power enhanced lucky shot does not a stupid flaw make. Not only was the flaw defended it was not even expected! Just like in the cracked article, who would expect an enemy to send someone up your toilet chute?