Rossum wrote:Isn't Leto II deathly allergic to water? As in he had one battle where he got to use is sandworm-fu on his enemies... but it was in the rain so he was in extreme pain and almost died before he crawled back into a building and even then was hurt from the moisture of his opponents blood that he rolled around in?
Also, Leto II was defeated by falling into a river. Granted he only fell into a river because he had specifically bred the girl who blew up the bridge to be immune to his brand of precognition... but still he can be taken out with water.
All the God Emperor of Mankind needs to do is douse Leto II with enough water to make all of his sand trout pieces fall off of his Jabba the Hutt shaped body and its a victory. Turning his brain into a billion microscopic square circles or imploding his organs with psychic powers or calling his infinite legions of armies and military might could work too.
While this is true that Leto II can be defeated by water, there happens to be
no water in the Colosseum where the fight is occurring. Unless you bring a bucket of water to your seat in Colosseum to help the GEoM during the fight there will not be any water available during the fight.
As for the swarms of soldiers at the command of both emperors, neither will have access to them during the Colosseum fight.
As for a Dune vs Wahrammer 40k battle... I don't know but I'm betting on the Imperium. My knowledge of Dune isn't much but I gather that:
1. Dune has No-Ships that are apparently pretty stealthy and immune to being scyed by psychic means. That might give Leto a hiding place while the unending swarms of the Imperium bomb the hell out of all the planets that aren't invisible.
I don't remember any planets being swalowed by a No-Field during the Leto II era. I will freely admit that my memory of the books past the Leto II era is sketchy at best but would you care to tell me when this happened. Admittedly the use of No-Ships would be a great tactical advantage even in the revised no space vs scenario.
2. Dune has personal force fields that can protect against melee weapons unless they use special slow-motion attacks. Also the personal force fields explode if someone shoots them with a lasgun. The imperium has lots and lots of men armed with lasguns... I think the post Heresay Imperium wouldn't mind at all throwing troops at the enemy with lasguns and having betting pools seeing how many of the enemy explode when they are shot. Pre Heresay GEoM might have some qualms about it... or not... but those force fields just sound like they would just make lasguns cool for blowing up the enemy and make chainswords even less practical for combat then they already are.
Yes this does make for some explodey goodness, but I do remember that dune also has las-weapons and uses them semi regularly in combat. So by necessity the Dune side would of had to of learned when and more importantly when
not to use Holtzman shields in combat. Like if you start taking las fire turn of your shield. If you start taking bolter and plasma fire turn on the shields.
Although I am surprised that the Dune people never tried to turn that reaction into a weapon. For instance a Holtzman shield generator can be fitted on a belt. So why not stick the components of a shield and a one shot las weapon into the body of a missile like the size of a sidewinder or sparrow and poof you have an instant fighter scale WMD perfect for dealing with mass quantities of troops and isn't covered in the atomics section of the great convention.
3. Dune has Golas and Spice and Face Dancers and other stuff... the Imperium has to deal with Orcs and Necrons and Gene Stealers so that won't help anything.
Face Dancers would probably be caught by the same things that catch gene stealers. Golas however would be a more difficult problem but you might catch them with psykers and other such intrusive ID techniques.
4. Leto II made an army composed entirely of women because he felt they would be less likely to opress the populace than an army of men. I don't know how they Imperium would react to that... if Leto is lucky then his amazon brigade might confuse the Imperium army for about five seconds before the Sisters of Battle pull out the flame throwers and White Phosphorous.
The Imperium also has all female guard regiments too. For example one of the valhallan regiments that was mixed to create Cain's mixed regiment was an all female elite regiment.
5. Leto dies if he's exposed to water. If the GEoM knows what planet he's on, he can just have his space armadas bomb the planet until there are no buildings left. Then Leto can't come in out of the rain and he dies in the next rainstorm.
Here is a hint Arrakis aka Dune is for most of Leto II reign is a total desert planet. It doesn't rain... ever. At the end of his rein yes it had transformed quite a bit into a more hospitable world but for the majority it was still the same desert world it always was.
6. Pilots in the Dune universe need Spice to navigate. The Imperium doesn't. GEoM blows up the planet where all the spice comes from and calmly waits for all the spice addicts to die. Better yet, the GEoM could have one of his armies grab some Orks and dump them onto the surface of Dune. The Orks to turn the sandworm desert into an Ork World and the boyz use any surviving sandworms for target practice. Then GEoM can bomb the planet to smithereens again just to make sure its dead.
This also happens to be the capital world of Leto II empire so it would be well defended. In the original vs, bombing to oblivion from orbit would be a good idea. However in the revised no space vs model this might not be possible. Remember in the revised vs, the gateway is on Arrakis on the dune side and Orestes forge world on the Imperium side both at ground level.
As a further note the immaterum is spilling out into the Dune universe from the gateway creating an immaterium on the Dune side, but the effects won't be immediate.
You will see the tears of time.
