The stupidest flaw

[Batman]

The DS1's fatal flaw was Tarkin. Vader and his squadron damn near managed to repel the rebel attack all by their lonesome. Three guesses as to what would have happened if the DS1 had launched its full TIE fighter contingent.

[Ghost Rider]

the abillity for small one man fighters giting through is still a flaw, on which darth vader shouldn't of alowed. for highyly trained imperial soldiers and sith lords to allow a rage tag group of badly supplyed fighters to git through is a failer of such mesure,if i were the Emperor i would have beheaded them all; including vader.

Clean up your spelling. I don't give a fuck if you have to copy paste through word, or whatever.

And after translating this gibberish, the fact of the matter is Vader did do something about it. In fact if you watched the movie Vader would've succeeded if not for Solo. Thus the entire Alliance gamble would've failed if not for pure luck.

I'm sure you can reach a conclusion, not likely any that one can read or understand, but something.

[Batman]

In all fairness he DOES seem to have worked on his spelling. It's still bad I don't think it's anywhere as bad as it used to be.

[lordofchange13]

Not only is the Death Star's flaw not has stupid as you might think it has happened time and again historically. This cracked.com article covers only a few. Not only does Babylon as they mention have a 'Death Star' type flaw so did Jerusalem under the rule of the Jebusites as well.

One magic power enhanced lucky shot does not a stupid flaw make. Not only was the flaw defended it was not even expected! Just like in the cracked article, who would expect an enemy to send someone up your toilet chute?

but the imperial navy is suppost to be the most badass millitary ever. and for a soldier to let some git of that "lucky shot" isn't doing there job right. the 501st sould have been better them this.

[Batman]

How often do you have to be told? The Death Star HAD the defenses to swat away the Rebel attack. Tarkin refused to RELEASE them. Guess what? The Rebels STILL almost got thwarted by Vader's squadron and the fixed defenses.
And since when has the Wars Empire the most badass military ever? There's plenty SciFi universes that could eat Wars for breakfast and NOT NOTICE.
DESPITE the guy in charge refusing to release their available defenses, DESPITE the Rebels having a Force sensitive on their side, DESPITE the DS1's defenses being geared towards fending of capital ship attacks the Imperials were WINNING until Han returned.

[lordofchange13]

How often do you have to be told? The Death Star HAD the defenses to swat away the Rebel attack. Tarkin refused to RELEASE them. Guess what? The Rebels STILL almost got thwarted by Vader's squadron and the fixed defenses.
And since when has the Wars Empire the most badass military ever? There's plenty SciFi universes that could eat Wars for breakfast and NOT NOTICE.
DESPITE the guy in charge refusing to release their available defenses, DESPITE the Rebels having a Force sensitive on their side, DESPITE the DS1's defenses being geared towards fending of capital ship attacks the Imperials were WINNING until Han returned.

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

[Isolder74]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

You're an Idiot.

Vader didn't LET the Rebels win!

He was the only one actually doing anything about it! Have you ever watched the movie? Vader was about to shoot down the man who was the only one who even remotely had a chance of hitting the target. Then Han showed up and shot one of Vader's wingmen causing other to make a mistake clipping his wing send him flying, spinning, out of the trench giving Luke a free shot. At the end of the battle the only Rebel Fighters left were Luke, Wedge and one Y-Wing.

You can shut up now.

[lord Martiya]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

Uh... The Death Star had a complement of something like 7000 fighters, 3600 assault shuttles and 4 Strike cruisers. Most of that was tied to Tarkin's direct orders, and only Darth Vader and his personal squadron (8 TIE plus Vader's) counterattacked. Vader was the only one doing something. If Tarkin ordered even a moderate response, like sending out a couple squadrons when they told him of the attack or placing a wing near the vent (his men were telling him there was a danger from the attack), the Empire would have won easily.

[lordofchange13]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

You're an Idiot.

Vader didn't LET the Rebels win!

He was the only one actually doing anything about it! Have you ever watched the movie? Vader was about to shoot down the man who was the only one who even remotely had a chance of hitting the target. Then Han showed up and shot one of Vader's wingmen causing other to make a mistake clipping his wing send him flying, spinning, out of the trench giving Luke a free shot. At the end of the battle the only Rebel Fighters left were Luke, Wedge and one Y-Wing.

You can shut up now.

but vader has more force power then yoda he sould have seen han coming. how did the death star not see the falcon coming in, even if it came from hyperspace they still should of scenced it. is there a reason why you end all your post with shut up?

[lordofchange13]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

Uh... The Death Star had a complement of something like 7000 fighters, 3600 assault shuttles and 4 Strike cruisers. Most of that was tied to Tarkin's direct orders, and only Darth Vader and his personal squadron (8 TIE plus Vader's) counterattacked. Vader was the only one doing something. If Tarkin ordered even a moderate response, like sending out a couple squadrons when they told him of the attack or placing a wing near the vent (his men were telling him there was a danger from the attack), the Empire would have won easily.

think you for saying, i did not know that tarkin had that much and didn't send them in. but it doesn't change the fact that the empire allowed the rebels to beat them to easaly. it only changes who's falt it is.

[Ghost Rider]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

You're an Idiot.

Vader didn't LET the Rebels win!

He was the only one actually doing anything about it! Have you ever watched the movie? Vader was about to shoot down the man who was the only one who even remotely had a chance of hitting the target. Then Han showed up and shot one of Vader's wingmen causing other to make a mistake clipping his wing send him flying, spinning, out of the trench giving Luke a free shot. At the end of the battle the only Rebel Fighters left were Luke, Wedge and one Y-Wing.

You can shut up now.

but vader has more force power then yoda he sould have seen han coming. how did the death star not see the falcon coming in, even if it came from hyperspace they still should of scenced it. is there a reason why you end all your post with shut up?

1. Prove Vader(not Anakin) had more Force ability then Yoda. Lucas himself states that Vader is weaker and stunted in growth.

2. Prove the Death Star seeing the Falcon coming is as a threat.

And the reason he's asking you to shut up is all you're doing is simply vomiting your points again and again without rhyme or reason with proof. You think simply spewing it makes it right.

[lord Martiya]

think you for saying, i did not know that tarkin had that much and didn't send them in. but it doesn't change the fact that the empire allowed the rebels to beat them to easaly. it only changes who's falt it is.

Exactly: it was the designer's fault for letting there a weak spot so small that only a truly desperate man would consider and Tarkin's fault for not acting 'just in case'.

but vader has more force power then yoda he sould have seen han coming. how did the death star not see the falcon coming in, even if it came from hyperspace they still should of scenced it. is there a reason why you end all your post with shut up?

The Death Star didn't see the Falcon coming because of its own jamming, or the operators didn't think that junk was a danger for a modern starfighter. Vader didn't see the Falcon coming because he's not a god and was busy with Luke. And I think Isolder74 ends his posts by telling to shut up because he's having mercy of you.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

the imperial millitry holds millions of worlds with an nuclear fist, yet they couldn't kill of a small fleet of badly trained and supplyed orphans, vader was weak for leting the rebels win.

Uh... The Death Star had a complement of something like 7000 fighters, 3600 assault shuttles and 4 Strike cruisers. Most of that was tied to Tarkin's direct orders, and only Darth Vader and his personal squadron (8 TIE plus Vader's) counterattacked. Vader was the only one doing something. If Tarkin ordered even a moderate response, like sending out a couple squadrons when they told him of the attack or placing a wing near the vent (his men were telling him there was a danger from the attack), the Empire would have won easily.

think you for saying, i did not know that tarkin had that much and didn't send them in. but it doesn't change the fact that the empire allowed the rebels to beat them to easaly. it only changes who's falt it is.

Hey, he finally got something right. Not his spelling, but something. It removes the fault from the engineers who designed the Death Star and places it on the politician who was in command.

I never saw the exhaust port as a major weakness anyway, since it was probably a necessary design element, the Death Star's reactor would put out a lot of heat, and it has to go somewhere, unless you don't mind cooking the crew. I wouldn't be surprised if the Death Star was studded with similar exhaust ports and the Rebels just based they're plan on the first one they found. Even if the Death Star had multiple exhaust ports it still wouldn't have been an issue if Tarkin had been operating the thing correctly, (travelling with the intended escort, launching the fighter screen, ect) instead of trying to show off with his new toy.

[lordofchange13]

but vader has more force power then yoda he sould have seen han coming. how did the death star not see the falcon coming in, even if it came from hyperspace they still should of scenced it. is there a reason why you end all your post with shut up?

1. Prove Vader(not Anakin) had more Force ability then Yoda. Lucas himself states that Vader is weaker and stunted in growth.

2. Prove the Death Star seeing the Falcon coming is as a threat.

And the reason he's asking you to shut up is all you're doing is simply vomiting your points again and again without rhyme or reason with proof. You think simply spewing it makes it right.[/quote]
1.the medicloriens deturman how powerful you are and vader has more of them then yoda. vader is anakin with the only diffrences of haveing robot limbs and being a little crasy.
2. the death star is the state of the art battlestation, the empire has all ready had hyperspace tracking technology, do you realy have to go to far out on a limb to say it had one,

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

but vader has more force power then yoda he sould have seen han coming. how did the death star not see the falcon coming in, even if it came from hyperspace they still should of scenced it. is there a reason why you end all your post with shut up?

1. Prove Vader(not Anakin) had more Force ability then Yoda. Lucas himself states that Vader is weaker and stunted in growth.

2. Prove the Death Star seeing the Falcon coming is as a threat.

And the reason he's asking you to shut up is all you're doing is simply vomiting your points again and again without rhyme or reason with proof. You think simply spewing it makes it right.

1.the medicloriens deturman how powerful you are and vader has more of them then yoda. vader is anakin with the only diffrences of haveing robot limbs and being a little crasy.
2. the death star is the state of the art battlestation, the empire has all ready had hyperspace tracking technology, do you realy have to go to far out on a limb to say it had one,[/quote]

So, George Lucas is wrong about Vader? Anyway, being a powerful Force-user does not make someone omnicient, or did you miss the part where Palpatine doesn't forsee Vader turning on him at the end of ROTJ?

Or to put it in your language...So Jorj Lucus is rong about Vadur? Anyway, being a powerful Forse-user dos not make sumwun omnisheant, or did you miss the part ware Palputeen don't forsee Vadur turnin on him at teh end of ROTJ.

[Serafina]

Sorry, but Midichlorians clearly represent POTENTIAL power, not actual power.
Else, their amount would grow when you train, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Also, IIRC, Vaders injuries seriously hampered his force abilities.

Either way, i do not think that Vader was at any point actually more powerful than Yoda (well, except when Yoda was dead).

[Werrf]

1.the medicloriens deturman how powerful you are and vader has more of them then yoda. vader is anakin with the only diffrences of haveing robot limbs and being a little crasy.

Midichlorians (note spelling) are a component of living cells. Fewer living cells = fewer midichlorians. When Anakin's limbs were cut off and his body was burned, his Midichlorian count was sharply truncated, so his force ability was reduced. Short version: Less Vader = Less Midichlorians.

[Isolder74]

he's having mercy of you.

Indeed. My MO is to avoid breaking out the flamethrower and comments like this are often a hint to stop now while your ahead and before the people who will turn on the fire get their teeth into him.

In any regards, not only is the Death Star's flaw not stupid it's not even remotely the worst one ever to exist in history. For an example, the ones in the Cracked.com article. Of all the those the worst was actually the castle. Richard the Lionheart built a very good castle only to have his idiot brother John add a latrine to the chapel he added that has a chute big enough for a brave fool to climb up it. Richard's one is too small.....and on the side of the cliff.

To sum it all up, Prince John(this is the guy in Robin Hood Stories) is a certified Idiot!

[The Yosemite Bear]

It was said that Vadar spends a lot of his energies just dealing with his injuries, and he was focused on luke. the fact that he couldn't stop either of his children, despite their being untrained.

[lordofchange13]

1.the medicloriens deturman how powerful you are and vader has more of them then yoda. vader is anakin with the only diffrences of haveing robot limbs and being a little crasy.

Midichlorians (note spelling) are a component of living cells. Fewer living cells = fewer midichlorians. When Anakin's limbs were cut off and his body was burned, his Midichlorian count was sharply truncated, so his force ability was reduced. Short version: Less Vader = Less Midichlorians.

no the potentioal or power over the force is in every cell, its the per cell reatio that determans your power not all combind. though i can see how it would be hard to minipulat the phiscal word with the force if vader didn't have organic limbs, but that should effect his mintal force power like reading minds. knowing when people are nerby, that sort of thing.

[LionElJonson]

1.the medicloriens[sic] deturman[sic] how powerful you are[sic] and vader[sic] has more of them then[sic] yoda[sic]. vader[sic] is anakin[sic] with the only diffrences[sic] of haveing[sic] robot limbs[sic] and being a little crasy.[sic]

Midichlorians (note spelling) are a component of living cells. Fewer living cells = fewer midichlorians. When Anakin's limbs were cut off and his body was burned, his Midichlorian count was sharply truncated, so his force ability was reduced. Short version: Less Vader = Less Midichlorians.

no[sic] the potentioal[sic] or power over the force[sic] is in every cell, its the per cell reatio[sic] that determans[sic] your power not all combind[sic]. though[sic] i[sic] can see how it would be hard to minipulat[sic] the phiscal[sic] word[sic] with the force[sic] if vader[sic] didn't have organic limbs, but that should[sic] effect[sic] his mintal[sic] force power like reading minds.[sic] knowing when people are nerby[sic], that sort of thing.

Dude, use a spellchecker. Firefox comes with one. Also, capitalizing the first word of each sentence isn't difficult, and neither is proper punctuation. This isn't some chatroom; you have the time to use proper spelling and grammar.

[Batman]

no the potentioal or power over the force is in every cell, its the per cell reatio that determans your power not all combind.

Because-you say so. The source saying so would be? Oh, and while you're futilely looking for a source that doesn't exist, try to find the nonexistent evidence for midichlorian counts determing ACTUAL Force power as opposed to POTENTIAL Force power.
If Anakin before Vaderisation was so freaking powerful how come he got his ass handed to him by Dooku on Geonosis or got turned into a cripple by Obi-Wan on Mustafar?

though i can see how it would be hard to minipulat the phiscal word with the force if vader didn't have organic limbs, but that should effect his mintal force power like reading minds. knowing when people are nerby, that sort of thing.

Which makes absolutely no sense. Why would you need organic limbs to use telekinesis? Especially as we KNOW you don't thanks to Vader using TK in the OT? Have you actually WATCHED the movies?
Not that you aren't greatly overestimating Jedi abilities anyway. FORCE USERS can detect one another over great distances. The range at which they can detect and distinguish between ordinary people is...? There were a FUCKTON of people on the DS and a goodly number in the space immediately around it.

[lordofchange13]

Which makes absolutely no sense. Why would you need organic limbs to use telekinesis? Especially as we KNOW you don't thanks to Vader using TK in the OT? Have you actually WATCHED the movies?
Not that you aren't greatly overestimating Jedi abilities anyway. FORCE USERS can detect one another over great distances. The range at which they can detect and distinguish between ordinary people is...? There were a FUCKTON of people on the DS and a goodly number in the space immediately around it.

he would have been abille to scense chewy. he would be the oly none human out side the death star jails in the whole system.

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

Which makes absolutely no sense. Why would you need organic limbs to use telekinesis? Especially as we KNOW you don't thanks to Vader using TK in the OT? Have you actually WATCHED the movies?
Not that you aren't greatly overestimating Jedi abilities anyway. FORCE USERS can detect one another over great distances. The range at which they can detect and distinguish between ordinary people is...? There were a FUCKTON of people on the DS and a goodly number in the space immediately around it.

he would have been abille to scense chewy. he would be the oly none human out side the death star jails in the whole system.

Evidence?

[lordofchange13]

Which makes absolutely no sense. Why would you need organic limbs to use telekinesis? Especially as we KNOW you don't thanks to Vader using TK in the OT? Have you actually WATCHED the movies?
Not that you aren't greatly overestimating Jedi abilities anyway. FORCE USERS can detect one another over great distances. The range at which they can detect and distinguish between ordinary people is...? There were a FUCKTON of people on the DS and a goodly number in the space immediately around it.

he would have been abille to scense chewy. he would be the oly none human out side the death star jails in the whole system.

Evidence?

evidence of chewy being the only alien? or vaders abillity? the imperial millitary is an intarly human organization, and vaders supost to be abill to "feel" things better then every one else. also i just looked it a source for vader being one of the most powerful jedi ever (Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force)