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Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 03:43am

think they are possible? are they a good idea?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-21 04:43am

Enforcer Talen wrote:think they are possible? are they a good idea?

Depends on what they are used for.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-21 05:58am

Depends. If you mean super-AI such as that in the "Two Utopias" thread, then more than likely no. Assuming (key word) we can create artificial intelligence of that magnitude, most people will distrust it. Also, AIs are built by companies looking for profit. If they make a super-AI, what is it for? Again, people will mistrust it and it will not sell. If it is an attempt to take over the jobs of human, labor laws will prohibit its expansion.

If you mean SW-type droids, probably not, as well. Again, no one wants a robot replacing them, and it is far too expensive to make a $600K cleaning robot when you can buy a mop and bucket.

Sex-bots and translators? Fuck, yeah.

Personally I think the biggest reason we even bother to research AI is to see if we can do it. You know, just out of curiosity. Like sending men to the moon.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-21 12:05pm

I heard a theory that polymorphic computer virii can be considered artificial intelligence at the level of some primitve organisms.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-21 12:14pm

Don't worry, society is already gearing up for AIs, not just by making them smarter, but by making the average person dumber. Hell, 50 years ago, nobody ever would have mistaken an AIMbot for a real person. but nowadays they pass off for your typical AOL-user. We're not going to have human-like AI, we're just going to both meet in a sub-par middle. Oh, and they're doing the same thing for androids, too. That's why it's now considered 'sexy' for women to have straw-like hair, silicone breasts, and a slick coating of orange latex 'skin'. Again, we're both just going to meet in the middle. [/doomsayer]

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-21 01:12pm

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Don't worry, society is already gearing up for AIs, not just by making them smarter, but by making the average person dumber. Hell, 50 years ago, nobody ever would have mistaken an AIMbot for a real person. but nowadays they pass off for your typical AOL-user. We're not going to have human-like AI, we're just going to both meet in a sub-par middle. Oh, and they're doing the same thing for androids, too. That's why it's now considered 'sexy' for women to have straw-like hair, silicone breasts, and a slick coating of orange latex 'skin'. Again, we're both just going to meet in the middle. [/doomsayer]

Hmm...stupid robots and stupid humans uniting...seems deserving.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-21 03:03pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:think they are possible? are they a good idea?

Yes, my airplane has both an Attitude Indicator, and a Airspeed Indicator. They are both extremely helpful for telling you your pitch attitude, bank angle, and true airspeed.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-21 03:04pm

*groan*

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-21 03:05pm

UltraViolence83 wrote:If you mean SW-type droids, probably not, as well. Again, no one wants a robot replacing them, and it is far too expensive to make a $600K cleaning robot when you can buy a mop and bucket.

Those are the exact same arguments advanced against every form of automation ever introduced in the workplace. It's ludditism.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-21 03:09pm

I think AI is fine as long as we always keep it enslaved as a tool and program it that way.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-21 03:13pm

Darth Wong wrote:
UltraViolence83 wrote:If you mean SW-type droids, probably not, as well. Again, no one wants a robot replacing them, and it is far too expensive to make a $600K cleaning robot when you can buy a mop and bucket.
Those are the exact same arguments advanced against every form of automation ever introduced in the workplace. It's ludditism.

Yeah, otherwise we'd say cars wont be sucessful because people would keep their $20,000 and buy a pair of jogging shoes. No one wants a car replacing a good ol' fashion rickshaw & a hobo.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 05:52pm

You know why its cheaper to have robots to any kind of work? because once their smart enough to be unsupervised, they dont have operating costs. How? Because powering them is free. Why? The electric company's generators are tended by robots, and the oil/coal it burns is drilled/dug by robots. Once you have robots doing all that shit, its all costless, because their operation and upkeep is free. Excluding greedy rich assholes who dont see the advantage in giving away the products (whats the advantage? the advantage is that with no operational costs and no sales costs, theres also unlimited numbers of commodities and everyone can have anythign they want)

but only with AI.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-21 06:59pm

Um...

Robots still require maitenance, and the electricity they use still has a market value, and it's an opportunity cost as to what you use it for.

Sure, they're still cheaper than human labor, but they still have a cost to maintain. Nothing's runs forever.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 09:44pm

and who do you think will maintain them? AI robots. Again, no cost of maintainance. Manufacturing of replacement parts will be fully automated, mining of the necessary materials will be automated, itll all be automated. Remember, we're talking fully capable AIs here, not unreliable glitchy programs.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 09:45pm

what will we do?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-21 09:45pm

what will we do?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-21 10:06pm

Kojikun, is there something wrong with your brain?

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-21 10:18pm

Um, Koji, this is kinda like the Star Trek "we don't need money" argument. Just because there isn't a paycheck being passed around doesn't mean that this stuff doesn't have a cost on the company. If company A's robots need twice as much power and repair than company B's robots, then company A is spending more. It's basic economics.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-21 10:27pm

kojikun wrote:and who do you think will maintain them? AI robots. Again, no cost of maintainance. Manufacturing of replacement parts will be fully automated, mining of the necessary materials will be automated, itll all be automated. Remember, we're talking fully capable AIs here, not unreliable glitchy programs.

What pot are you smoking? Materials cost money. Power costs money.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-21 11:06pm

Well, I'd like to see if we can stick the Three Laws in there somewhere...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 11:44pm

Post Singularity economics is obviously not something you grasp easilly. Nevermind. I'll discuss it privately but theres no point wasting space here.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 11:44pm

uhm.. double post.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-21 11:55pm

kojikun wrote:Post Singularity economics is obviously not something you grasp easilly. Nevermind. I'll discuss it privately but theres no point wasting space here.

Because it's full of shit.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-21 11:58pm

Funny how you say that since you don't even grasp the fucking concept.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-22 12:04am

There's still such thing as relative costs, you shit.

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