Battle of Macragge...otherverse style

[Ghost Rider]

In support of lord13 : U may not need a billion psionic in concert to destroy all the superman level guys - u just need one for each... like... so...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleez

If breaking down someone to the core is forcing him to have sex with someone else and video against his will... yeah that qualifies.

The number : Action Comics #593
The plot: Superman Porn Actor
Canon status: I have no idea but here it is
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Action_Comics_Vol_1_593 (Shh let's not say anything at all)

and if u need screencaps of The Soops Porn Flick
http://www.cracked.com/article_17626_5- ... omics.html

This is not Darkseid: This is Darkseid's PIMP and he dominated Superman > >

Which is pretty much erased because of the events of the last couple crossovers.

Something to remind yourself of comics, especially when debating, is to grasp that what you find may or may not be relevant in any shape or form.

Because if we go that route, any and everyone will simply use Silver Age 1960 era Superman and he simply punches a hole in existence to suck whatever enemy away.

[Batman]

Even assuming any of that were still canon, that would stop Clark & Co from turning the Tyranids into so much additional solar radiation how again?

[Eviscerator]

Even assuming any of that were still canon, that would stop Clark & Co from turning the Tyranids into so much additional solar radiation how again?

Ergo - if one "Pimp-level Psionic" was able to make a Superman-level entity perform things against his will - wouldn't a BILLION "Pimp-level Psionics" make the "Superman-level entities" attack all the other "non-Superman Level Entities"? And maybe the Norn queens in Behemoth are "Darkseid-level Psionics"

[Norade]

Even assuming any of that were still canon, that would stop Clark & Co from turning the Tyranids into so much additional solar radiation how again?

Ergo - if one "Pimp-level Psionic" was able to make a Superman-level entity perform things against his will - wouldn't a BILLION "Pimp-level Psionics" make the "Superman-level entities" attack all the other "non-Superman Level Entities"? And maybe the Norn queens in Behemoth are "Darkseid-level Psionics"

Care to prove that Tyranids are equal to Sleez?

[Ghost Rider]

Even assuming any of that were still canon, that would stop Clark & Co from turning the Tyranids into so much additional solar radiation how again?

Ergo - if one "Pimp-level Psionic" was able to make a Superman-level entity perform things against his will - wouldn't a BILLION "Pimp-level Psionics" make the "Superman-level entities" attack all the other "non-Superman Level Entities"? And maybe the Norn queens in Behemoth are "Darkseid-level Psionics"

So by this, I pick 1950 Silver Age Superman to punch them out of time/space. Oh wait, cherry picking which you want to attribute to canon in comics in a versus that is undetermined is a useless bit.

[Eviscerator]

[quote="Eviscerator"

Care to prove that Tyranids are equal to Sleez?

Tyranids 4th Ed Codex says that the Death of an single Norn Queen causes an event that is sufficient to drown out the Astronomican for a moment, calving more Norn Queens.

An Zoanthrope brood presumably would have as much or more power than Darkseid's Pimp?

If for example that "Soops Porn Flick" story came out last month would it then be relevant and Superman can be made a Biatch by an low-level Psyker? Or whatevr Sleez is. I swear - sometimes the oodles of material connected with these characters make it a pain to keep track of what's what.

[Norade]

[quote="Eviscerator"

Care to prove that Tyranids are equal to Sleez?

Tyranids 4th Ed Codex says that the Death of an single Norn Queen causes an event that is sufficient to drown out the Astronomican for a moment, calving more Norn Queens.

An Zoanthrope brood presumably would have as much or more power than Darkseid's Pimp?

If for example that "Soops Porn Flick" story came out last month would it then be relevant and Superman can be made a Biatch by an low-level Psyker? Or whatevr Sleez is. I swear - sometimes the oodles of material connected with these characters make it a pain to keep track of what's what.

Once again I'm going to ask you to prove that a Zoanthrope is on the same level as Sleez. You can claim that they are powerful all day long, but we've seen Psions and Magic users fail to do anything at all to Superman more often than we have seen them effect him so Sleez must be of an insane power level.

[Ghost Rider]

If for example that "Soops Porn Flick" story came out last month would it then be relevant and Superman can be made a Biatch by an low-level Psyker? Or whatevr Sleez is. I swear - sometimes the oodles of material connected with these characters make it a pain to keep track of what's what.

Then you would have the slightest glimpse at why comics canon is that fickle. So again, you are throwing an example you are unsure of is canon or not, to say nothing of making it nothing more then a cherry picking event. You centered your point around it, didn't research if it was valid and then proclaimed it as the winning point.

To add to the whole thought? Superman is not the lynchpin of DC Earth within powers. Though that varies upon writer to writer and if they decide Superman can or cannot move stars for that day.

[Shroom Man 777]

What color is Macragge's sun?

[Ghost Rider]

What color is Macragge's sun?

Only work if Supey was flying to Macragge per the scenario .

But given the looks of the world and possible positions? Probably yellow.

[Stravo]

The Sleez storyline ran back at the start of the reboot Superman in Action Comics when Byrne was damping down his power levels to near Marvelverse kind of stats AND I believe there was some special circumstance that made Superman particularly vulnerable at that time but I'll have to dig it out to recall correctly but it wasn't as if Sleez just made Superman his bitch in one two three and additionally sleez was a Darkseid side kick making him a fucking god level psyker so let's take ALL of that with a huge helping of salt when using that one example.

I can for example point to his numerous encounters with Braniac a massively powerful telepath who had tried on multiple occasions to brain fuck Supes and only to be rebuffed by his indomitable will. (additionally Superman has on several occasions in Elseworlds been handed a green lantern ring) Same with Maxima a psyker who was able to pummel him physically through buildings yet could not stop him.

Superman is not particulalry vulnerable to telepathic assault and in fact when telepaths have tried to take him over they all commented on his incredible willpower in resisting them.

As a final little addition to the comic evidence during the Eclipso summer event from many moons ago, Eclipso, a GOD of evil, could not take over Superman even when he held his little black crystals unless Superman willingly gave himself over (to save some innocents IIRC)

[Eviscerator]

. Though that varies upon writer to writer and if they decide Superman can or cannot move stars for that day.

*throws hands up in the air If next month they decide Superman is reduced to a sobbing pile of nerves if u play "Ten Green Bottles" all you have to do to render him sobbing u do that then!

I recall Superman: Red Son when soops had (Red) sun lamps shone on him and batman was able to sock it to him (and draw blood). That's gonna work?

[Norade]

. Though that varies upon writer to writer and if they decide Superman can or cannot move stars for that day.

*throws hands up in the air If next month they decide Superman is reduced to a sobbing pile of nerves if u play "Ten Green Bottles" all you have to do to render him sobbing u do that then!

I recall Superman: Red Son when soops had (Red) sun lamps shone on him and batman was able to sock it to him (and draw blood). That's gonna work?

Then I'm going to say that Superman punches a hole in the universe and sucks the hive fleet in. I'm also going to say that if he dies he'll be back in a few days because comic book characters never die and he's risen from the dead before in cannon.

[Eviscerator]

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I recall Superman: Red Son when soops had (Red) sun lamps shone on him and batman was able to sock it to him (and draw blood). That's gonna work?

. I'm also going to say that if he dies he'll be back in a few days because comic book characters never die and he's risen from the dead before in cannon.

Um , no - dick grayson is still dead. He's not Dick the Zombie. Batman didnt resurrect him.

Anyway since Soops was originally from Krypton with its red sun and all would the simple application of said Red sun lamps render Soops helpless? As we know of course that its due to earth's yellow sun that he's all Super and all ---- and that's Mega Canon, i suppose.

[Norade]

Um , no - dick grayson is still dead. He's not Dick the Zombie. Batman didnt resurrect him.

Anyway since Soops was originally from Krypton with its red sun and all would the simple application of said Red sun lamps render Soops helpless? As we know of course that its due to earth's yellow sun that he's all Super and all ---- and that's Mega Canon, i suppose.

Dick Grayson =/= Superman. Superman has come back from the dead and it's only a matter of time before Dick is written back in as well.

[Batman]

Guys? Dick Grayson currently IS Batman. 'I' am the one who's dead for the time being. If you're talking Jason Todd, he's ALREADY been returned to the living quite a while ago.

[Stravo]

Guys? Dick Grayson currently IS Batman. 'I' am the one who's dead for the time being. If you're talking Jason Todd, he's ALREADY been returned to the living quite a while ago.

I had no idea that was currently going on in continuity. I'd say bravo to DC for being brave and doing this but you know god damn well it isn't going to stick.

[Batman]

It's not. But just this once, DC never even pretended it was going to. From what I can tell they started making noise about a 'The Return of Bruce Wayne' storyline pretty much the moment they killed me.

[Ghost Rider]

Guys? Dick Grayson currently IS Batman. 'I' am the one who's dead for the time being. If you're talking Jason Todd, he's ALREADY been returned to the living quite a while ago.

I had no idea that was currently going on in continuity. I'd say bravo to DC for being brave and doing this but you know god damn well it isn't going to stick.

The short rundown.

Batman finds out about the devil/crazy man/Silver Age nonsense about being replaced. Crazy people come after him.

Talia introduces him to his son, Damian.

Man who may or may not be Thomas Wayne, the devil, or some really screwed up guy destroys Batman with his cunning plan. Only it fails and Batman outwits the devil/crazyman/dad with his own crazier plan.

Batman discovers the GOD BULLET. No, seriously...the GOD BULLET. It's some time-traveling supergod bullet.

Darkseid conquers Earth, because the New Gods fought and shit happend. The Evil Monitor wants to take over/destroy reality...but that's Superman's problem. Batman takes down Darkseid with the GOD BULLET, but gets zapped by Jack Kirbyesque rays. He's now traveling back in time through his own ancestors to right was once was wrong, and hope the next leap...is home.

Alfred is waiting for him with a bottle of water and a bucket of chicken.

[Stravo]

Seriously, GR, your storyline summaries always remind me precisely why I stopped collecting and reading comics.

[Batman]

I'm hiding in that desk for a reason

[Srelex]

Seriously, GR, your storyline summaries always remind me precisely why I stopped collecting and reading comics.

There's more to comics than DC and Marvel, y'know.

Anyway, to get slightly more on topic, just for the hell of it, how would Batman fare against a Genestealer?

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Do they both get prep time?

Any genestealer worth his salt will already have infected Robin, Commissioner Gordon and Alfred by the time Batman realizes that genestealers exist.

The Corollary is that Batman will have a perfect plan to defeat the genestealers and some sort of miracle cure for their infection in a capsule in his utility belt.

[Ghost Rider]

Seriously, GR, your storyline summaries always remind me precisely why I stopped collecting and reading comics.

There's more to comics than DC and Marvel, y'know.

Anyway, to get slightly more on topic, just for the hell of it, how would Batman fare against a Genestealer?

True, there's much more then DC and Marvel. But when they are the mainstay of your comic reading, it's damn hard to convince someone to read beyond it. And even then it's fucking slim pickings.

He dies. Unless we are allowing his oversized arsenal of weaponry and cosmic doodads that he keeps for no reason other then his insane paranoia

[Batman]

Insane paranoia, eh. YOU try being EVERYBODY's plan B in a universe lousy with people who can shove planets around WITHOUT those doodads as a mere mortal.

Realistically? I die. If published by DC? We get a really shitty Elseworlds miniseries out of it where I win in the end (though I might still die for a bit during the run).