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Blackstone CEO compares tax hike to 01/09/1939

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A ‘Fat Cat’ Strikes Back

President Obama and the business community have been at odds for months. But in July the chairman and cofounder of the Blackstone Group, one of the world’s largest private-equity firms, amped up the rhetoric. Stephen Schwarzman—the leading John McCain supporter in a firm that, in 2008, gave more money to Obama—was addressing board members of a nonprofit organization when he let loose. “It’s a war,” Schwarzman said of the struggle with the administration over increasing taxes on private-equity firms. “It’s like when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.”

Attendees at the board meeting (who provided details on condition that they and the organization not be identified) were shocked. “War? Hitler? Poland? A little over the top for a proposal to make hedge-fund managers pay their fair share in taxes,” one attendee says about the comments. Neither Blackstone nor the White House would discuss Schwarzman’s statement, which came in the wake of strong, but less stinging, criticism this summer of the administration from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable.

Schwarzman’s original beef with Obama grew out of a 2008 campaign promise that “carried interest”—the compensation structure of private-equity-fund managers—would be taxed as ordinary income (35 percent) instead of capital gains (15 percent). Obama and many Democrats have argued that it’s unfair for people like Schwarzman, with a net worth of about $8 billion, to pay taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries and chauffeurs. More substantively, the commissions and fees that hedge-fund managers reap (20 percent of their clients’ profits) are not, strictly speaking, capital gains because the managers themselves never held the stocks.

The issue grew more complicated this year when Congress made noises about taxing the sale of private partnerships as ordinary income, not capital gains. This aroused the opposition of thousands of real-estate ventures and other businesses far afield from the hedge-fund world. The government’s aim was to prevent tax lawyers for the partnerships from using more than a dozen loopholes to keep taxes low, but it had the effect of slowing efforts to confront the carried-interest discrepancy.

Schwarzman is also angry at the president for some of his rhetoric (Obama has talked of “fat-cat bankers”) and for not having a prominent former CEO in his cabinet or inner circle—concerns shared widely throughout the business community, including among Democrats. “Steve thinks the president lacks an intuitive feeling for the role of capital markets,” says a Wall Street executive who knows Schwarzman. “Obama is from Mars and Steve is from Venus.”
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Pools of private capital such as hedge funds and private equity funds have what is commonly called a "2/20" fee structure. The "2" refers to the 2% management fee upon total Assets under management (yes Virginia, that means if you've somehow suckered $2B out of people, you get $40M/yr by default to spend however you want). The "20" refers to the carried interest, or "carry", which the management of the private capital pool claims as their share of the profits generated by their investment genius (continuing the $2B fund theme, if you generate 10% returns, i.e. make $200M, you get $40M, 20% of the $200M you made as a fee). Under current law, carry is taxed at capital gains rates (15%), instead of the max corporate rate (35%) (final parenthesis: 15% tax on $200M is $30M, a $40M savings over the $70M tax a 35% rate would bring). Obama made a campaign promise to hike the tax on carry up to corporate rates, there's a bill out to do exactly that, but it's probably not going to pass.

The greatest article ever on Steve Schwarzman was of course written by the New Yorker. I recommend you read it in its entirety.
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Is it possible that the guy was drunk?
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Zixinus wrote:Is it possible that the guy was drunk?
I doubt it. It's more likely that he was stone-cold sober and completely serious.
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Xisiqomelir wrote:“It’s a war,” Schwarzman said of the struggle with the administration over increasing taxes on private-equity firms. “It’s like when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.”
A...aha.....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I'm sorry, but that was literally my first reaction. I'm not sure I could've stopped myself from laughing if I was at that meeting. I can't even bring myself to be shocked or disgusted :D

On a more serious note, this kind of rhethoric is very easy to overuse, yet for some reason a lot of people like to paint themselves as OMG VICTIMS OF OPRESSION...
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PeZook wrote:On a more serious note, this kind of rhethoric is very easy to overuse, yet for some reason a lot of people like to paint themselves as OMG VICTIMS OF OPRESSION...
Which is all the more ironic coming from business executives who use their wealth to support policies that, directly or indirectly, actually do help oppress people.
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Yeah, I have no idea how carried interest has managed to escape taxation at ordinary income for so long. I remember Congress first talking about it in 2007 (and I'm sure it was brought up long before then) and somehow, each year, nothing has been done. And it should be such a non-issue because carry is blatantly not capital gains. The investment manager generally has all the gain but none of the risk (that is, you earn carry or don't, you can't lose money).

Of course, I would expect no different from Blackstone, given some of the shenanigans they pulled when they went public. (They pushed the envelope of the law by listing as a partnership rather than a corporation, giving themselves favorable tax treatment, and also gave minimal rights to unitholders.)
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Good lord, and to think that yesterday I just applied for a position at Blackstone.
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Pelranius wrote:Good lord, and to think that yesterday I just applied for a position at Blackstone.
Do you have a gold-plated resume? I know one friend who's an MD at Goldman and he couldn't make the jump despite being Mr. Superperfect.
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No, I'm just sending out resumes to everyone, including the banks. I'm angling for a think tank, defense contractor or government job though, it was just to do something while waiting to hear back from the primary choices.
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Pelranius wrote:No, I'm just sending out resumes to everyone, including the banks. I'm angling for a think tank, defense contractor or government job though, it was just to do something while waiting to hear back from the primary choices.
I hope you land Associate 2 and start at 400K/yr. Good luck!
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Xisiqomelir wrote:
Pelranius wrote:No, I'm just sending out resumes to everyone, including the banks. I'm angling for a think tank, defense contractor or government job though, it was just to do something while waiting to hear back from the primary choices.
I hope you land Associate 2 and start at 400K/yr. Good luck!
Thanks, I'm shooting for Analyst as an entry level position.

Maybe CEO Schwarzman figures that if he talks like a teabagger, he will get their money too.
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