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http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/8/19/113223/843
U.S. Soldiers Punished For Not Attending Christian Concert
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For the past several years, two U.S. Army posts in Virginia, Fort Eustis and Fort Lee, have been putting on a series of what are called Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts. As I've written in a number of other posts, "spiritual fitness" is just the military's new term for promoting religion, particularly evangelical Christianity. And this concert series is no different.

On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."


Any doubt that this was an evangelical Christian event was cleared up by the Army post's newspaper, the Fort Eustis Wheel, which ran an article after the concert that began:
"Following the Apostle Paul's message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music's edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater."
The father of the three Barlow sisters who make up the band was also quoted in the article, saying, "We really believe that to be a Christian in today's world, you have to be a warrior, and we feel very blessed and privileged that God has given us the tool to deliver His message and arm His army."

A few days later, some of the soldiers punished for choosing not to attend this concert contacted the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF). The following is from the account sent by one of those soldiers to MRFF, detailing what transpired that night.
"The week prior to the event the [unit name and NCO's name withheld] informed us of a Christian rock event that was about to take place on Thursday the 13th.

"On Thursday 13th at 1730 we were informed that instead of being dismissed for the day, the entire company (about 250 soldiers) would march as a whole to the event. Not only that, but to make sure that everyone is present we were prohibited from going back to the barracks (to eliminate the off chance that some might 'hide' in their rooms and not come back down).

"We were marched as a whole to chow and were instructed to reform outside the dining facility. A number of soldiers were disappointed and restless. Several of us were of different faith or belief. A couple were particularly offended (being of Muslim faith) and started considering to disobey the order.

"From the dining facility we were marched back to the company area. There was a rumor circulating that we may be given a choice later on to fall out or attend. Though it was only a rumor it was also a small hope enough to allow us to follow along a little longer before choosing to become disobedient. We were marched back to the company area. To our dismay there was still no sign of as having a choice.

"We started marching to the theater. At that point two Muslim soldiers fell out of formation on their own. Student leadership tried to convince them to fall back in and that a choice will be presented to us once we reach the theater.

"At the theater we were instructed to split in two groups; those that want to attend versus those that don't. At that point what crossed my mind is the fact that being given an option so late in the game implies that the leadership is attempting to make a point about its intention. The 'body language' was suggesting that 'we marched you here as a group to give you a clue that we really want you to attend (we tilt the table and expect you to roll in our direction), now we give you the choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us.' A number of soldiers seemed to notice these clues and sullenly volunteered for the concert in fear of possible consequences.

"Those of us that chose not to attend (about 80, or a little less that half) were marched back to the company area. At that point the NCO issued us a punishment. We were to be on lock-down in the company (not released from duty), could not go anywhere on post (no PX, no library, etc). We were to go to strictly to the barracks and contact maintenance. If we were caught sitting in our rooms, in our beds, or having/handling electronics (cell phones, laptops, games) and doing anything other than maintenance, we would further have our weekend passes revoked and continue barracks maintenance for the entirety of the weekend. At that point the implied message was clear in my mind 'we gave you a choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us. Since you chose to disappoint us you will now have your freedoms suspended and contact chores while the rest of your buddies are enjoying a concert.'

"At that evening, nine of us chose to pursue an EO complaint. I was surprised to find out that a couple of the most offended soldiers were actually Christian themselves (Catholic). One of them was grown as a child in Cuba and this incident enraged him particularly as it brought memories of oppression."
The account of another soldier who did not attend the concert, which relates the same sequence of events and punishment that occurred, also adds that some of the soldiers who did decide to attend only did so due to pressure from their superiors and fear of repercussions.
"At the theater is the first time our options were presented to us. And they were presented to us in a way that seemed harmless, we could either go to the show, or go to the barracks. But at that point, I felt pressured. As a person, I know that I can't be pressured into anything, I'm much stronger than that. But I also know that a lot of people aren't that strong, and that pressure was present. I could hear people saying, 'I don't know about going back to the barracks, that sounds suspicious, I'm going to go ahead and go to the show' and many things that sounded a lot like that. Now, like I said, I don't get pressured into things, but I also don't think that anybody should have to feel that kind of pressure. Making somebody feel that pressure is a violation of human rights, we are allowed to think what we want about religion and not have to feel pressured into doing things, and at that moment there was definitely pressure to go to that concert simply because people don't want to have their free time taken away."
The Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series was the brainchild of Maj. Gen. James E. Chambers, who, according to an article on the Army.mil website, "was reborn as a Christian" at the age of sixteen. According to the article, Chambers held the first concert at Fort Lee within a month of becoming the commanding general of the Combined Arms Support Command and Fort Lee in June 2008. But he had already started the series at Fort Eustis, as the previous commanding general there. The concerts have continued at Fort Eustis under the new commanding general, as well as spreading to Fort Lee under Maj. Gen. Chambers. The concerts are also promoted to the airmen on Langley Air Force Base, which is now part of Joint Base Langley-Eustis.

In the Army.mil article, Maj. Gen. Chambers was quoted as saying, "The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion. It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds." But there has been no "mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds" at these concerts. Every one of them has had evangelical Christian performers, who typically not only perform their music but give their Christian testimony and read from the Bible in between songs.

Another problem with these concerts, besides the issues like soldiers being punished for choosing not to attend them, is that they are run by the commanders, and not the chaplains' offices. It is absolutely permissible for a chaplain's office to put on a Christian concert. It is not permissible for the command to put on a Christian concert, or any other religious event. Having a religious concert series that is actually called and promoted as a Commanding General's Concert Series is completely over the top.

And then there's the cost. These concerts aren't just small events with local Christian bands. We're talking about the top, nationally known, award-winning Christian artists, with headline acts costing anywhere from $30,000 to $100,000, and even many of the opening acts being in the $10,000 range.

The cost of these concerts led MRFF's research department to start looking at some of the DoD contracts for other "spiritual fitness" events and programs, and what we found was astounding. One contract, for example, awarded to an outside consulting firm to provide "spiritual fitness" services, was for $3.5 million.

MRFF was already aware that exorbitant amounts of DoD funding were going to the hiring of civilian religious employees by military installations, the expenses of religious (almost exclusively evangelical Christian) programs, and extravagant religious facilities, but the extent of this spending goes far beyond what we had initially thought it amounted to. Therefore, MRFF has decided to launch an investigation into exactly how much the military is spending on promoting religion.

Do the recently announced plans of Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to trim defense spending include any trimming of the military's outrageous spending on the promoting of religion and evangelizing of our troops? This alone could save the DoD untold millions every year, and go a long way towards upholding our Constitution at the same time.

I didn't realize that mandatory "spiritual fitness events" like this were occurring or even common. The money angle seems interesting - where in the base/unit budget does one get money for concerts and "spiritual fitness services contractors"?
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Uraniun235 wrote:

I didn't realize that mandatory "spiritual fitness events" like this were occurring or even common. The money angle seems interesting - where in the base/unit budget does one get money for concerts and "spiritual fitness services contractors"?
Bases and such usually have a fund for things like entertainment, sports days and the like. Here there usually managed by the Mess (well not mandatory fun days) but I have no doubt that the US has something similar in place.
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Uraniun235 wrote: I didn't realize that mandatory "spiritual fitness events" like this were occurring or even common. The money angle seems interesting - where in the base/unit budget does one get money for concerts and "spiritual fitness services contractors"?
My understanding is the US government pays almost nothing for that kind of thing, but the bases are allowed, well more or less ordered, to use profits from the PX and other on base sales to fund an entertainment/recreation budget.
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"Those of us that chose not to attend (about 80, or a little less that half) were marched back to the company area. At that point the NCO issued us a punishment. We were to be on lock-down in the company (not released from duty), could not go anywhere on post (no PX, no library, etc). We were to go to strictly to the barracks and contact maintenance. If we were caught sitting in our rooms, in our beds, or having/handling electronics (cell phones, laptops, games) and doing anything other than maintenance, we would further have our weekend passes revoked and continue barracks maintenance for the entirety of the weekend. At that point the implied message was clear in my mind 'we gave you a choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us. Since you chose to disappoint us you will now have your freedoms suspended and contact chores while the rest of your buddies are enjoying a concert.'
I vaguely remember some sort of similar fundygelical Protestant entertainment show back when I was in AIT at Ft. Lee (2004). I don't think it was on a Sunday, but I remember thinking that is was pretty much bullshit (my religious belief at the time being Eastern Orthodox, and not at all favored towards that kind of Protestantism). I think it is a pretty egregious violation of people's religious freedom, but alas the spirit of fundygelicalism is pretty strong in the American military these days.
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The only good thing about this, as far as I am concerned, is that the the group that decided not to attend was as large as it was. It's not like it was just a few people, so that, at least, is something.
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Unfortunately now they'll be marked as trouble makers, you can pretty much guarantee that if this was put on by a General then nothing will be done about the grievances either.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:The only good thing about this, as far as I am concerned, is that the the group that decided not to attend was as large as it was. It's not like it was just a few people, so that, at least, is something.
It also seems many more of the troops didn't want to attend but did anyways to avoid any punishment. This confuses me though; "Those of us that chose not to attend (about 80, or a little less [than] half)". Does this refer to half of the total soldiers? Half of those who didn't want to go?
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Half those that didn't want to go, likely. The article states that the Company was around 250 men, so 80 doesn't much fit.
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Clearly, we must try harder to crush the principles out of these men.
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This general needs to be run the hell out of the military; preferably stripped of his rank by the President personally and handed a nasty discharge. I'm not sure if there's anything nastier than a Bad Conduct Discharge, but if there is, he needs it. If not, well... I'm thinking they should probably invent one for him.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:This general needs to be run the hell out of the military; preferably stripped of his rank by the President personally and handed a nasty discharge. I'm not sure if there's anything nastier than a Bad Conduct Discharge, but if there is, he needs it. If not, well... I'm thinking they should probably invent one for him.
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I've heard before that the army was kind of bad when it came to proselytizing.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:This general needs to be run the hell out of the military; preferably stripped of his rank by the President personally and handed a nasty discharge. I'm not sure if there's anything nastier than a Bad Conduct Discharge, but if there is, he needs it. If not, well... I'm thinking they should probably invent one for him.
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Uraniun235 wrote: I didn't realize that mandatory "spiritual fitness events" like this were occurring or even common. The money angle seems interesting - where in the base/unit budget does one get money for concerts and "spiritual fitness services contractors"?
Money from the ship's store/PX is used for MWR funds. I never had mandatory "spiritual fitness events"(as opposed to "mandatory fun day" which is another thing entirely) at any of my commands.

Interesting contrast between the Army and USN. Klingenschmitt had his career ended for pulling similiar stunts(and was kicked out when he decided to protest the decision...in the streets...in uniform). In fact, I have a buddy on the Anzio ...who said that the incident was much worse than the media reported, that Chaplain Klingenschmitt informed the parents of a sailor who got killed in a DUI during the funeral that "their son was in hell, but there was still a chance to save them."(Sailor and family were Catholic, Klingenschmitt is an evangelical) The Skipper immediately stood up and had him taken off the vessel and ordered the OOD to not let him back on the ship, his shit would be gathered up and sent to him. A bit different from the "not inclusive to other religions on the ship" and "poor FITREP" blurb that was said in the MSM.

Mind you, the Army is the same organization where the guy running (one of)the Tillman investigations told the Tillman family that if they weren't athiests they would have been able to just accept that CPL Tillman was dead at face value and move on, so it's their fault they are miserable at CPL Tillman's death. The Army also overrode the express wishes of Tillman(there's a form that military members fill out on instructions in case of death and Tillman had said he wanted his Wife to make the arrangements, and want the military to have absolutely NOTHING to do with the funeral) and his Family, so there you go.

One huge Caveat, when I worked at HQDA the P'gon Chaplain was this Army Colonel who was a Jesuit and referred to evangelical chaplains as "folks who had integrity problems". His predecessor had given all these flag officers permission to appear in evangelical testimonial videos(some of which indicated that there was a war between Islam and Christianity) in uniform, so Father Bill was a bit peeved at the time. :)
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One huge Caveat, when I worked at HQDA the P'gon Chaplain was this Army Colonel who was a Jesuit and referred to evangelical chaplains as "folks who had integrity problems". His predecessor had given all these flag officers permission to appear in evangelical testimonial videos(some of which indicated that there was a war between Islam and Christianity) in uniform, so Father Bill was a bit peeved at the time.
Am I the only one seeing a problem with the fact that the members of a 2000 year old church with a rigid monolithic hierarchy and dogma are the liberal religious folks in America? I mean, some book in the Vatican probably has a law about how long you can scrub your ass before its considered homosexual and these people are the ones upholding general sanity on the religious front. I find this a frightening prospect.
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Most Jesuit training (I even know a local Evangelical minister who actually attened a Jesuit College) does include analytical thinking, so they don't get too hard headed. Then again they are the same Colleges that train people in Exorcism....
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There is an impressive disconnect between the big Catholic hierarchy with popes and such and the average middle-class American Catholic. Many devote Catholics (the pray-a-day, wear a rosary sort) in North America can't tell you the difference between a bishop and cardinal and are usually very liberal, and the local clergy usually have similar mindsets. They usually only give two shits about the pope when he dies. The Pope and his cronies have much more pull with poorer nations and immigrants from them.

I've heard it said that the whole liberal/conservative, right/left, religion/science thing basically boils down to rural vs urban. Considering how the American fundamentalist protestants are a rural, "homegrown" religion as compared to the Catholics, which historically speaking, filtered through urban environments from European immigrants, it makes sense that the average Catholic in America would be more liberal.
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It's been going around the command here at fort sill that the IG will be investigating any commander accused of doing this so they better behave and follow the rules and such. However we don't seem to have many problems here wth this sort of thing, usally only for visting units that are here for training.
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Dark Hellion wrote:Am I the only one seeing a problem with the fact that the members of a 2000 year old church with a rigid monolithic hierarchy and dogma are the liberal religious folks in America? I mean, some book in the Vatican probably has a law about how long you can scrub your ass before its considered homosexual and these people are the ones upholding general sanity on the religious front. I find this a frightening prospect.
There are liberal Catholics and there are conservative Catholics. The liberal ones are great; the priest at the church Surly grew up in, for instance, would probably tell a student struggling with atheism that it's okay to have doubts and God won't send him to hell for questioning his existence. The conservative ones are more like Protestant fundies or evangelicals. They're out protesting abortion, etc. Watch out for the ULTRAconservative Catholics, though, who attend daily mass, wear headcoverings in church, and believe that the Catholic church has gone astray by saying the mass in English...yeah, they're scary.
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Dark Hellion wrote:
Am I the only one seeing a problem with the fact that the members of a 2000 year old church with a rigid monolithic hierarchy and dogma are the liberal religious folks in America? I mean, some book in the Vatican probably has a law about how long you can scrub your ass before its considered homosexual and these people are the ones upholding general sanity on the religious front. I find this a frightening prospect.
Padre's aren't just priests though, their often counsellors as well, being the only kind of mental health professionals that the average grunt has access too. The ones that take their whole role seriously are usually not religious nutters.
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Am I the only one seeing a problem with the fact that the members of a 2000 year old church with a rigid monolithic hierarchy and dogma are the liberal religious folks in America?
I've hung around with some pretty conservative Catholics, and they seem to think the Jesuits are the liberal (in a perjorative sense) bunch. I don't know much about Catholic history, but apparently there's been some bad blood between the Jesuits and other orders.
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Am I the only one seeing a problem with the fact that the members of a 2000 year old church with a rigid monolithic hierarchy and dogma are the liberal religious folks in America?
I've hung around with some pretty conservative Catholics, and they seem to think the Jesuits are the liberal (in a perjorative sense) bunch. I don't know much about Catholic history, but apparently there's been some bad blood between the Jesuits and other orders.
I had a great-uncle who was a Jesuit priest. For a while he officiated a lot of the religious events in the family (such as the baptism of my aunts, uncles, and mother). I didn't know him personally, but he was apparently one of the nicest people you could ever meet. He wouldn't prosthelytize. He didn't talk about religion unless it was brought up by the person he was talking to. He didn't care what religion people were, as long as they were good people.

While I can't remember the exact circumstances, this came up in a conversation someone in my family had with a conservative priest (I think regarding the baptism or marriage of some of my cousins). The conservative priest grumbled something about how Jesuits "play fast and loose with the rules." So even the non-religious in my family (especially my atheist-in-all-but-name grandmother, the sister of this great-uncle) tend to have positive opinions of the Jesuits.

As far as them being liberal go, they apparently conflict with the Vatican over issues of birth control, female priests, celibacy, and homosexuality, to name a few.
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The "bad blood" is litterially over spilled blood, suffice to say that once apon a time, the Jesuits led the inquisition in investigating the other orders for heresay. They have been doing a bit of pennance for that by being a more open minded order since then, though they still practice exorcism.
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It's very problematic to talk about the Jesuits as though they are a monolithic order that was 'extremely conservative' at one point and 'liberal' at another. It's true that the Jesuits of today have a reputation for atheism. There is a famous anecdote in Belgium about our foremost atheist philosopher, who was trained as a Jesuit priest, debating with a high official of the Society of Jesus in Belgium. Upon pressed to say what Christianity meant to him, he ended up with the Golden Rule. When the atheist philosopher pressed further by claiming that this rule wasn't specifically Christian - so why was the Jesuit? The answer? "Well, it's my job!" On the other hand, the Jesuits have always been a very adaptable and pluralist order. Although they persecuted others for heresy in the early modern period, this is also the time in which they strongly promoted a mathematical approach to the study of nature, thereby contributing to the new science. At the same time, they also allowed ancestor worship in Ming China. If that's not liberal - what is?
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