What's up with LOGH's differing animation styles?

[Vympel]

I first noticed it when watching Season 2 of the Gaiden. It looked totally different. Because I had watched the majority of the show on crappy .rmvb files, I hadn't noticed it before, but this art style appears in various episodes throughout the show (I now have DVD rips of Episode 1-38 and most of the Gaiden are DVD quality as well. The rest of the show hasn't yet been done in DVD yet by the good samaritans at Central Anime who do this):-

The difference:-

From Episode 38, the "newer" looking style:-


By vympel at 2010-08-20

From Episode 36, the "older" style:-


By vympel at 2010-08-20

I don't get it. Sometimes in certain episodes, they'll use both styles seemingly simultaneously.

[Mr Bean]

I don't get it. Sometimes in certain episodes, they'll use both styles seemingly simultaneously.

Subcontracting to two different animation/art studios to provide footage? Check the credits to see how many art/visual people have credit

[Vympel]

Sounds logical. Can't check the credits, the show was never released outside of Japan. The subtitles are completely fan made.

[Mr Bean]

Sounds logical. Can't check the credits, the show was never released outside of Japan. The subtitles are completely fan made.

It was common as hell in the old days for animation studios to subcontract out jobs. And it was infamous as hell what happened when you sent work to some companies because product awareness was not all together high in the 80's and 90's. Which is why you see some work with footage that looks totally different. Because it is, because this week they sent the work to a Chinese studio which was not their best.

[hunter5]

Sounds logical. Can't check the credits, the show was never released outside of Japan. The subtitles are completely fan made.

It was common as hell in the old days for animation studios to subcontract out jobs. And it was infamous as hell what happened when you sent work to some companies because product awareness was not all together high in the 80's and 90's. Which is why you see some work with footage that looks totally different. Because it is, because this week they sent the work to a Chinese studio which was not their best.

Even in a few modern amine you can see different animation styles between episodes.

[Vympel]

It was common as hell in the old days for animation studios to subcontract out jobs. And it was infamous as hell what happened when you sent work to some companies because product awareness was not all together high in the 80's and 90's. Which is why you see some work with footage that looks totally different. Because it is, because this week they sent the work to a Chinese studio which was not their best.

I imagine that's what happened with Golden Wings - LOGH is pretty damn consistent (like, 100% consistent) throughout the first film, the main series, the second film, and the two Gaiden seasons. But I can't even watch Golden Wings. It looks nothing like LOGH. Iserlohn looks like the freaking Death Star. The uniforms are different. The characters look different. Its just plain bad.

[XaLEv]

If you can show me the end credits for those episodes I can see if they show any difference in who did the animation.

[Ford Prefect]

The actual look of animation can shift based on who the key animator is. It's not a matter of actually contracting out to another studio, just differences in what staff worked on an episode or scene, from the director to the animation director, key animator as I mentioned etc. This sort of difference is minor compared to what you can get in some series - just look at something like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood when Yoshimichi Kameda is key animator, where style, cel detail, the fluidity of the animation and so on are wildly different (and absolutely amazing).

[Gunhead]

I haven't been able to confirm this, but LoGH did also suffer from budget problems. This is just a persistent rumor but I don't find it at all implausible, LoGH wasn't and still not is all that popular in japan.

-Gunhead

[Vympel]

If you can show me the end credits for those episodes I can see if they show any difference in who did the animation.

It's on youtube if you want to check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4hMxVKnoeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1-XJGxBuxk

(end parts of both episodes including credits)

EDIT: shit, Episode 38's credits aren't included.

I haven't been able to confirm this, but LoGH did also suffer from budget problems. This is just a persistent rumor but I don't find it at all implausible, LoGH wasn't and still not is all that popular in japan.

Really? Considering that in Japan as recently as 2008 they made a video game about it, there's another coming up (which may be web-based) and the show actually got a blu-ray release there, that's surprising.

[Gunhead]

Well LoGH has a quite dedicated following that's true, but by not as popular I mean It's not as popular by comparison to other scifi anime. This is just what I've been getting from other forums and it's not based on any factual numbers.
Then again the 2008 is not the first game ever made based on LoGH. I think there are two or three games released on different consoles made in the 90's.

Of course I'm extremely happy if LoGH gains a wider following, it certainly deserves it.

-Gunhead

[Uraniun235]

I haven't been able to confirm this, but LoGH did also suffer from budget problems. This is just a persistent rumor but I don't find it at all implausible, LoGH wasn't and still not is all that popular in japan.

-Gunhead

LOGH is probably more popular in Japan than in any other country, considering it's never had an official release outside of Japan.

[Gunhead]

I haven't been able to confirm this, but LoGH did also suffer from budget problems. This is just a persistent rumor but I don't find it at all implausible, LoGH wasn't and still not is all that popular in japan.

-Gunhead

LOGH is probably more popular in Japan than in any other country, considering it's never had an official release outside of Japan.

Well, no doubt about that. I'm still hoping for that international release.

-Gunhead

[SAMAS]

You think that's bad? I remember seeing this picture showing the differences in style by the six animation houses they used for Tiny Toon Adventures.