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Our history books must differ on this subject. Mine say the British took off anyone.No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".
Our history books must differ on this subject. Mine say the British took off anyone.No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".
Hell yes. The Russians burned Moscow rather than let Napolean take it. That's some hardcore shit there.HemlockGrey wrote:Incidentally, I once saw this really dramatic chart which shows Napolean's march to and from Russia as a line that starts out very thick and ends up a thin fiber. Very powerful.
It wasn't the Russians per se.IG-88E wrote:Hell yes. The Russians burned Moscow rather than let Napolean take it. That's some hardcore shit there.HemlockGrey wrote:Incidentally, I once saw this really dramatic chart which shows Napolean's march to and from Russia as a line that starts out very thick and ends up a thin fiber. Very powerful.
A few things.HemlockGrey wrote:Our history books must differ on this subject. Mine say the British took off anyone.No, no, no, the Brits took off DESERTERS, not yankees. Must remember that the British were just taking off their deserters, prisoners. Much like what the US is doing now, going into other places and taking "bad people".
Impressment wasn't the main issue.IG-88E wrote:What in the sam hill are you talking about? The British were boarding American merchant traders and ships of war and forcing sailors they determined to be of acceptable quaility to serve aboard British warships for fighting in the Nepoleonic war. If they were just taking deserters, it wouldn't have been enough to spark the war.
While this is true, it's not the point I was trying to make.Ted wrote:Impressment wasn't the main issue.
Hell, the Leopard event was in 1807, 5 years before the 1812 war.
The main issue was American expansionism and commerce, contraband and blockade.
Please back this up. You are contradicting every history book I've ever read.Ted wrote:A few things.
Americans claim they took off anyone to better their purpose of inflaming the population.
In actual fact, the Royal Navy took off deserters, and a few unfortunates who might've been, recent immigrants to the US.
There is a difference between accepting deserters and taking able-bodied men off of ships.The majority of the US merchant fleet at that time WAS RN deserters.
Hell, 80% of the USN during the War of 1812 was ex-RN, how do you think they were such good sailors?
I've seen that one, it has something like seven seperate statistics put together into a single line, rather elegant.HemlockGrey wrote:Incidentally, I once saw this really dramatic chart which shows Napolean's march to and from Russia as a line that starts out very thick and ends up a thin fiber. Very powerful.
Every one of which was most likely American.IG-88E wrote:Please back this up. You are contradicting every history book I've ever read.Ted wrote:A few things.
Americans claim they took off anyone to better their purpose of inflaming the population.
In actual fact, the Royal Navy took off deserters, and a few unfortunates who might've been, recent immigrants to the US.
Well, no shit, Sherlock. Doesn't make them wrong and you right.Ted wrote:Every one of which was most likely American.IG-88E wrote: Please back this up. You are contradicting every history book I've ever read.
Thank you, Ted.I'll admit, they did take off those who weren't deserters,but the main reason the RN used for taking personell was because of deserters.
What, this makes it OK? And perhaps the reason Americans got worked up was because just a short time ago, they were British colonies?I dont get the big thing the Americans make of impressment. The Royal Navy did it to EVERYONE, literally.
At the Battle of Trafalgar, there were 13 Spaniards and 9 Frenchmen fighting on RN ships.
And because they needed able sailors to fight their wars when thye didn't have time to train them.The main reason they stopped the yankee ships was because of contraband.
OK, I'll get info, but can you wait till tommorrow?IG-88E wrote:Well, no shit, Sherlock. Doesn't make them wrong and you right.Ted wrote:Every one of which was most likely American.IG-88E wrote: Please back this up. You are contradicting every history book I've ever read.Thank you, Ted.I'll admit, they did take off those who weren't deserters,but the main reason the RN used for taking personell was because of deserters.What, this makes it OK? And perhaps the reason Americans got worked up was because just a short time ago, they were British colonies?I dont get the big thing the Americans make of impressment. The Royal Navy did it to EVERYONE, literally.
At the Battle of Trafalgar, there were 13 Spaniards and 9 Frenchmen fighting on RN ships.And because they needed able sailors to fight their wars when thye didn't have time to train them.The main reason they stopped the yankee ships was because of contraband.
Again Ted, please back up what you are saying.
HEY!! I resent that!!Ted wrote:Wow, never knew someone into history SO off the mark.verilon wrote:IIRC, the War of 1812 was a British/French war over... something. As much as I am into history, I'm not that well caught up, as of late.Enforcer Talen wrote:what was going on in 1812 that all this was happening? was it a practice world war?
1812 was when Boney attacked Russia after Russia pulled out of the Continental System.
Napoleonic War lasted from 1802-1815.
Revolutionary War Went from 1793-1801.
War of the First Coalition was 1789-90, Second Coalition 1791-92, Third 92-93.
Several small wars happend as well, such as the 1806 war between the US and France.
I can be off the mark.. I do like history, but its been a few years since I've studied it much..
<-- was sleep depping last night. Please forgive.Ted wrote:Just a joke there Verilon, a joke.verilon wrote:HEY!! I resent that!!
Besides, I knwo how hard it is to have a joke come off right in typing.. [kicks typed sarcasm]Napoleon basically stole the Spanish possesions in NA and sold it to the yanks at incredibly low price.irishmick79 wrote:The Americans for the most part were busy trying to establish a central government. They managed to buy Louisiana from Napoleon. The british were still being belligerent towards the americans, by stationing troops in forts that were to have been abandoned according to the agreement that ended the revolution.
OK, now, the majority of the sailsors the British took off the american ships were deserters, approx. 75-80%.IG-88E wrote:Well, no shit, Sherlock. Doesn't make them wrong and you right.Ted wrote:Every one of which was most likely American.IG-88E wrote: Please back this up. You are contradicting every history book I've ever read.Thank you, Ted.I'll admit, they did take off those who weren't deserters,but the main reason the RN used for taking personell was because of deserters.What, this makes it OK? And perhaps the reason Americans got worked up was because just a short time ago, they were British colonies?I dont get the big thing the Americans make of impressment. The Royal Navy did it to EVERYONE, literally.
At the Battle of Trafalgar, there were 13 Spaniards and 9 Frenchmen fighting on RN ships.And because they needed able sailors to fight their wars when thye didn't have time to train them.The main reason they stopped the yankee ships was because of contraband.
Try Amer's.Ted wrote:Yankee Doodle Dandy, maybe?Kelly Antilles wrote:Ted, why must you constantly call us Yanks? We're Americans.
At that time, rarely were they called Americans by anyone except themselves.
And besides, yanks is easier to type than Americans.
) Of course I'll wait.