Why do admirals go into battle on flagships?
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Why do admirals go into battle on flagships?
Given Star Wars communication technology, why can't they be stationed on a planet somewhere safe from danger?
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Call me crazy but increasing the latency on decision-making is probably seen as a bad thing. Decisions made onsite are likely to reflect the reality of the situation more.
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Because communications jamming in SW is a pretty trivial thing...?
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Re: Why do admirals go into battle on flagships?
that would be boring, star wars was made to be fool of heroics and exsplotions!
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On the spot decision making is worth risking their necks? Not like flagships are little shuttles, anyway, but rather are the largest ships in a fleet and probably among the safest places to be.
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But they're also the biggest target.
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Personal control and leading by example should not be discounted. Also, given the personality types and the way politics works in the Empire, it seems a great bit of autocratus is recieved via first hand victories.
It should also be noted that given the maze of competing loyalties and rivalries within the Empire it might not be wise to give prominent and public victories to subordinates at the scene while you excercise nominal control from afar. It might let someone steal your laurels.
It should also be noted that given the maze of competing loyalties and rivalries within the Empire it might not be wise to give prominent and public victories to subordinates at the scene while you excercise nominal control from afar. It might let someone steal your laurels.
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If that were the only factor, you'd expect American Admirals break their flag on Boston Whalers rather than carriers. Fortunately, Admirals are smarter than you are.g_core18 wrote:But they're also the biggest target.
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Re: Why do admirals go into battle on flagships?
Actually this was shown in Conquest as the reason why Admiral Kanos used a Executor class as his flagship rather than the Eclipse class. However the Executor class is also very heavily shielded and defended as well.SancheztheWhaler wrote:If that were the only factor, you'd expect American Admirals break their flag on Boston Whalers rather than carriers. Fortunately, Admirals are smarter than you are.g_core18 wrote:But they're also the biggest target.
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Did you just use fanfic as evidence?
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Not only that, but a fanfic wherein an Admiral used a COMMAND SHIP to command from, instead of a battleship which has no special command and control capabilities.
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You gotta love the OP for being so freaking dumb that he doesn't quite grasp what a flagship is. I'm sure he thinks in the military of both the modern era and of yore have these ships they classify as "Flagship.".
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I think many got the concept wrong due to growing up with ST:NG where for some unkown reason the Enterprise was designated the flagship of the whole Federation without ever hosting any major officers of state let alone serving as the HQ of an actual flag officer.
In the end as you alluded to a flagship is whatever ship a flag officer decides to hoist his flag, or whatever analoge in the scifi future. It can be used in other situations but in reality its not all that often.
In the end as you alluded to a flagship is whatever ship a flag officer decides to hoist his flag, or whatever analoge in the scifi future. It can be used in other situations but in reality its not all that often.
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1. What the fuck is your problem?Ghost Rider wrote:You gotta love the OP for being so freaking dumb that he doesn't quite grasp what a flagship is. I'm sure he thinks in the military of both the modern era and of yore have these ships they classify as "Flagship.".
2. When did I say that?
3. Actually, admirals in Star Wars often did choose flagships. Ever heard of Ackbar's Home One?
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You're so fucking inept you cannot use a dictionary to understand what a flagship is.Star Wars 888 wrote:1. What the fuck is your problem?Ghost Rider wrote:You gotta love the OP for being so freaking dumb that he doesn't quite grasp what a flagship is. I'm sure he thinks in the military of both the modern era and of yore have these ships they classify as "Flagship.".
Read the title that you posted.2. When did I say that?
Ok, you dipshit moron. I know ,like the rest of the times people responded to your inane braying, you won't hear me. But you do know what a flagship is? Here's a small hint; there is no classification of vessel called flagship. Now go out onto google and look it up. You may actually learn something.3. Actually, admirals in Star Wars often did choose flagships. Ever heard of Ackbar's Home One?
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My guess is that they used the term in the non-military sense of it, basically flagship = most prestigious.Patroklos wrote:I think many got the concept wrong due to growing up with ST:NG where for some unkown reason the Enterprise was designated the flagship of the whole Federation without ever hosting any major officers of state let alone serving as the HQ of an actual flag officer.
There's nothing wrong with that, after all, Starfleet's not a military.
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This would be the best thought in the matter of the writers. And of course Starfleet isn't military! I mean look at their outfits and no trigger guards .Stofsk wrote:My guess is that they used the term in the non-military sense of it, basically flagship = most prestigious.Patroklos wrote:I think many got the concept wrong due to growing up with ST:NG where for some unkown reason the Enterprise was designated the flagship of the whole Federation without ever hosting any major officers of state let alone serving as the HQ of an actual flag officer.
There's nothing wrong with that, after all, Starfleet's not a military.
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BS. I know what what a flagship is.Ghost Rider wrote:
You're so fucking inept you cannot use a dictionary to understand what a flagship is.
But really? Do you talk like this to people in real life? Insult to an extreme degree everybody that makes every little mistake?
Nowhere in the title did I state or imply that flagships are a specific ship class.
Read the title that you posted.
Ok, you dipshit moron. I know ,like the rest of the times people responded to your inane braying, you won't hear me. But you do know what a flagship is? Here's a small hint; there is no classification of vessel called flagship. Now go out onto google and look it up. You may actually learn something.
I understand that there is not a ship class called flagship. Ackbar had multiple "flagships". Caedus used the Anakin Solo as his flagship. Pelleaon used the Bloodfin as his flagship. Niathal in a conversation with an officer discusses how admirals often transfer flagships.
But seriously; what the fuck is your problem? Is this how you treat your friends and such? Jump on them for making a mistake for some petty reason? Like, how did that hurt anyone? It wasn't even a mistake!
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Hey, guess what, retard:I understand that there is not a ship class called flagship. Ackbar had multiple "flagships". Caedus used the Anakin Solo as his flagship. Pelleaon used the Bloodfin as his flagship. Niathal in a conversation with an officer discusses how admirals often transfer flagships.
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. Guess what, that's a tautology. A ship chosen by an admiracl as his ship is by definition his flagship If there is no admiral on it, a ship can not be a flagship no matter how bit etc. it is.3. Actually, admirals in Star Wars often did choose flagships. Ever heard of Ackbar's Home One?
That's why we accuse you of thinking that you think that flaships are a specific ship class, since your statement makes no sense otherwise.
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Obviously you do not or you wouldn't have phrased the title as such.Star Wars 888 wrote:BS. I know what what a flagship is.Ghost Rider wrote:
You're so fucking inept you cannot use a dictionary to understand what a flagship is.
But really? Do you talk like this to people in real life? Insult to an extreme degree everybody that makes every little mistake?
I understand because you are so fucking dumb evading is the only way you can get out of answering but let's play this game.Star Wars 888 wrote:Nowhere in the title did I state or imply that flagships are a specific ship class.Ghost Rider wrote:
Read the title that you posted.
Your title and post imply flagship as a ship designation instead of a ship wherein said personage raises said flag, or you would've rephrased the question better.
Oh, he looked up the word. Yay! And to answer your bit, Stark already did, dumbfuck.Star Wars 888 wrote:Ghost Rider wrote:
Ok, you dipshit moron. I know ,like the rest of the times people responded to your inane braying, you won't hear me. But you do know what a flagship is? Here's a small hint; there is no classification of vessel called flagship. Now go out onto google and look it up. You may actually learn something.
I understand that there is not a ship class called flagship. Ackbar had multiple "flagships". Caedus used the Anakin Solo as his flagship. Pelleaon used the Bloodfin as his flagship. Niathal in a conversation with an officer discusses how admirals often transfer flagships.
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Bullshit. Flagships do exist in Star Wars. Did I say anything about it being a ship classification? No!Ghost Rider wrote:
Obviously you do not or you wouldn't have phrased the title as such.
I understand because you are so fucking dumb evading is the only way you can get out of answering but let's play this game.
Your title and post imply flagship as a ship designation instead of a ship wherein said personage raises said flag, or you would've rephrased the question better.
I asked why they go on flagships - flagships do exist, not as a ship classification but as a designation, typically a temporary one. Did I state ANYWHERE that they are a ship classification?
That's like me asking why something is controlled by the President and then you having a temper tantrum about me claiming that the President is an executive office.
Actually, I already knew that. Go to Wookieepedia and you'll realize that the information I stated isn't all found on the flagship page.Star Wars 888 wrote:
Oh, he looked up the word. Yay! And to answer your bit, Stark already did, dumbfuck.
But really; that was completely unexpected. You jumped on something minor and petty that was absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.
My point is that admirals chose flagships. That's correct. That's the definition of flagship. Nowhere in the title or OP did I state or imply that I thought that it was a ship classification. I asked why they go on flagships, not why they go on the ship type of a flagship. I understand that, if they're commanding from a ship that ship is a flagship, but the question of the thread is WHY they go on flagships when they can command from a planet.Serafina wrote:Hey, guess what, retard:I understand that there is not a ship class called flagship. Ackbar had multiple "flagships". Caedus used the Anakin Solo as his flagship. Pelleaon used the Bloodfin as his flagship. Niathal in a conversation with an officer discusses how admirals often transfer flagships.
You said:. Guess what, that's a tautology. A ship chosen by an admiracl as his ship is by definition his flagship If there is no admiral on it, a ship can not be a flagship no matter how bit etc. it is.3. Actually, admirals in Star Wars often did choose flagships. Ever heard of Ackbar's Home One?
That's why we accuse you of thinking that you think that flaships are a specific ship class, since your statement makes no sense otherwise.
You FREAKED OUT over some tiny technicality that's COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the thread. And even if I was wrong, people occasionally get words confused. There's no need to freak out over it.
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Oh, this is KOMEDY!Actually, I already knew that. Go to Wookieepedia and you'll realize that the information I stated isn't all found on the flagship page.
So when you went to look up what a flagship you went to Wookieepedia? Or assume that other people do that?
God, you are such a moron
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The fuck?Serafina wrote:Oh, this is KOMEDY!Actually, I already knew that. Go to Wookieepedia and you'll realize that the information I stated isn't all found on the flagship page.
So when you went to look up what a flagship you went to Wookieepedia? Or assume that other people do that?
God, you are such a moron
I didn't go to look it up on Wookieepedia. I'm proving this by showing that I have information on flagships that WOOKIEEPEDIA DIDN'T LIST!
Then I shall ask the grand question:
Why the fuck does it matter? If you thought that I worded my title a little wrong, but so what? Do you expect everybody to look up a dictionary and find the absolute technicality of every single word and then make everything super technical? Does it matter? You know what the title's trying to say.
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Look, dipshit:
That should not be something notable. Normal people do not look into Wookieepedia for real-life information - nor do they assume tha anyone does.
It's like bragging "hey, i learned that from a book, not from tellie!!". Which really just tells us that that person is getting most of it's information from television. A person who doesn't do that wouldn't brag about it.
That should not be something notable. Normal people do not look into Wookieepedia for real-life information - nor do they assume tha anyone does.
It's like bragging "hey, i learned that from a book, not from tellie!!". Which really just tells us that that person is getting most of it's information from television. A person who doesn't do that wouldn't brag about it.
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I'm not trying to brag about it. I didn't bring it up, because it's irrelevant to the topic. I'm responding to you flaming me for something that's absolutely irrelevant and unnecessary.Serafina wrote:Look, dipshit:
That should not be something notable. Normal people do not look into Wookieepedia for real-life information - nor do they assume tha anyone does.
It's like bragging "hey, i learned that from a book, not from tellie!!". Which really just tells us that that person is getting most of it's information from television. A person who doesn't do that wouldn't brag about it.