Historical armies vs nonhuman Sci-fi/fantasy armies

[kilopi505]

Is there any sci-fi and fantasy non-human military force that can be defeated or at least fought to a draw by armies from Earth's history, from the ancient past, starting at the Battle of Megiddo (15th century B.C.) to the end of the First World War.

Part 1:
How would the army that you think of defeat their opposing sci-fi/fantasy army in a land engagement? With all equipment used on land?
For example, can anybody imagine trebuchets Golden BBing AT-AT's in their legs? I remember in some of the threads here that those walking 4 legged monstrosities can be destroyed just by tripping them. How about the Bugs, or the Orcs (LOTR) attacking the fortresses of Verdun?

Part 2:
How much wanking up is needed to enable these armies to fight the sci-fi or fantasy armies at their best and with ALL their equipment? For example, I wanna know how much wanking up, technological or magical, you need to give Admiral Horatio Nelson and the English fleet a chance to engage and defeat...say the Minbari. In Space.

And part three of this funny topic.
Let's pit the combined armies of...all the armies that mankind has ever raised in it's history vs. these sci-fi opponents. Just how many people is that? Would this be the first case the Zerg from Starcraft gets zerg rushed? And the Bugs too? Would the Klingons and the Narns love being pitted against this gigantic army? Will Napoleon and Ceasar and Alexander the Great and all the military greats of our history outsmart and outnumber Sauron at the battle of the Black Gate? Will the Orcs of Warhammer 40k actually stop for a moment to think about the sheer ridiculity of this scenario? What will happen?

Please respond.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Is there any sci-fi and fantasy non-human military force that can be defeated or at least fought to a draw by armies from Earth's history, from the ancient past, starting at the Battle of Megiddo (15th century B.C.) to the end of the First World War.

The great majority of fantasy armies would be crushed by post-gunpowder militaries. As for sci-fi; besides the die-if-you-pee-on-them Signs aliens, there's the Roxolani from The Road Not Taken. They had starships and anitigravity, but were armed with muskets. First World War forces squash them.

[Sea Skimmer]

Golden BBing AT-AT's in their legs? I remember in some of the threads here that those walking 4 legged monstrosities can be destroyed just by tripping them.

Does that statement mean you’ve never seen Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back? You are missing out on life man.

[kilopi505]

Golden BBing AT-AT's in their legs? I remember in some of the threads here that those walking 4 legged monstrosities can be destroyed just by tripping them.

Does that statement mean you’ve never seen Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back? You are missing out on life man.

Yes. That is a proud no. I have never seen any of Star Wars movies from 1 and 4 to 6.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Orks at Helms Deep vs. British Army Circa 18th century.

[wautd]

Golden BBing AT-AT's in their legs? I remember in some of the threads here that those walking 4 legged monstrosities can be destroyed just by tripping them.

Does that statement mean you’ve never seen Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back? You are missing out on life man.

Yes. That is a proud no. I have never seen any of Star Wars movies from 1 and 4 to 6.

How about the Bugs attacking the fortresses of Verdun?

I know I'd watch that movie

[Star Wars 888]

Most fantasy armies would get pwned by gunpowder and after age armies.

Starship troopers ground armies (if numbers are equalized) would have a good chance of losing to a WW1 era army.

[Axiomatic]

Most fantasy armies would get pwned by gunpowder and after age armies.

Don't most fantasy armies have lots of MAGEs, AKA Mobile Arcane Gun Emplacements?

[Srelex]

Don't many fantasy armies also have things like dragons--untouchable airpower there--monsters whose mere appearance would destroy morale, and hordes of charging enemies like Orcs that are literally fearless?

[Star Wars 888]

Don't many fantasy armies also have things like dragons--untouchable airpower there--monsters whose mere appearance would destroy morale, and hordes of charging enemies like Orcs that are literally fearless?

The power of dragons in fantasy literature varies greatly, and are rarely actually part of armies.

BTW, wtf @ the "literally fearless" orcs if you're talking about Lord of the Rings. The orcs were scared shitless in the movies and iirc the books.

[Star Wars 888]

Orks at Helms Deep vs. British Army Circa 18th century.

The ENTIRE British Army? vs only the orcs or the trolls and mamiluks and such too?

[Srelex]

The power of dragons in fantasy literature varies greatly, and are rarely actually part of armies.

BTW, wtf @ the "literally fearless" orcs if you're talking about Lord of the Rings. The orcs were scared shitless in the movies and iirc the books.

I was referring more to generics orcs as a whole, such as Warhammer Orcs. Maybe I'm exagerrating a tad, as I'm not massively into fantasy.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Orks at Helms Deep vs. British Army Circa 18th century.

The ENTIRE British Army? vs only the orcs or the trolls and mamiluks and such too?

no more your typical colonial force sent to quell uprisings of the natives,

[Rossum]

I'm mildly curious how the Ewoks or the Gungans would fare against Romans or other pre-gunpowder armies.

Those force fields and static bubble things the Gungans used wouldn't be much use against the forces of Genghis Khan... might protect against arrows but would be pretty weak if the mongols went melee. Of course if the gungans had blasters or any decent ranged weapons then all bets are off. Of course, gungans are amphibious so they could just swim underwater... not like Genghis could raze their buildings to the ground if they are underwater.

The Ewoks would have a tough time against anyone who is willing to set their forest on fire.

[kilopi505]

Most fantasy armies would get pwned by gunpowder and after age armies.

Starship troopers ground armies (if numbers are equalized) would have a good chance of losing to a WW1 era army.

Umm...whose side? The Mobile Infantry or the Bugs?

[kilopi505]

Most fantasy armies would get pwned by gunpowder and after age armies.

Don't most fantasy armies have lots of MAGEs, AKA Mobile Arcane Gun Emplacements?

Grenades and Sniper fire would put them down. And WW1 Artillery too.

[kilopi505]

Orks at Helms Deep vs. British Army Circa 18th century.

The ENTIRE British Army? vs only the orcs or the trolls and mamiluks and such too?

no more your typical colonial force sent to quell uprisings of the natives,

Can we try the Ork forces at Helms Deep vs. Wellington? Or vs. the whole British army at the Anglo-Boer war?

[kilopi505]

How about the Bugs attacking the fortresses of Verdun?

I know I'd watch that movie[/quote]

Who would win? The French or the Bugs?

[Srelex]

Grenades and Sniper fire would put them down. And WW1 Artillery too.

It depends. While I'm not massively familiar or interested with it, the Warhammer setting has very potent mages who could very well destroy such opposition before it can react, from what I can gather. Besides, I don't think WW1 artillery was had the capability to target individuals on the battlefield.

[kilopi505]

Grenades and Sniper fire would put them down. And WW1 Artillery too.

It depends. While I'm not massively familiar or interested with it, the Warhammer setting has very potent mages who could very well destroy such opposition before it can react, from what I can gather. Besides, I don't think WW1 artillery was had the capability to target individuals on the battlefield.

Artillery barrage, on the general vicinity of the mages. I doubt they can withstand a thousand gun barrage just like in WW1. Besides, ok Warhammer mages may be impossible, I think because you said it, but other settings? DEAD.

[Lord Revan]

Grenades and Sniper fire would put them down. And WW1 Artillery too.

It depends. While I'm not massively familiar or interested with it, the Warhammer setting has very potent mages who could very well destroy such opposition before it can react, from what I can gather. Besides, I don't think WW1 artillery was had the capability to target individuals on the battlefield.

Artillery barrage, on the general vicinity of the mages. I doubt they can withstand a thousand gun barrage just like in WW1. Besides, ok Warhammer mages may be impossible, I think because you said it, but other settings? DEAD.

The thing is that artillery barrages work best against large formations of exposed troops (or to break morale of entrenched troops) but they're fairly inefficient in killing a single (or few) mansized target(s), it maybe work and you get a direct hit, you just might bombard the area with thousands of shells and not even make scratch at your intended target or anything from between and that's assuming said mage is wearing a simple cotton/wool robe and not some sort of armor or having magic barriers to protect him.

[kilopi505]

Artillery barrage, on the general vicinity of the mages. I doubt they can withstand a thousand gun barrage just like in WW1. Besides, ok Warhammer mages may be impossible, I think because you said it, but other settings? DEAD.[/quote]

The thing is that artillery barrages work best against large formations of exposed troops (or to break morale of entrenched troops) but they're fairly inefficient in killing a single (or few) mansized target(s), it maybe work and you get a direct hit, you just might bombard the area with thousands of shells and not even make scratch at your intended target or anything from between and that's assuming said mage is wearing a simple cotton/wool robe and not some sort of armor or having magic barriers to protect him.[/quote]

Do the mages know that they have to hide, put up shields or drop prone when an artillery barrage starts? Besides, who says we can't use gas? Mage, meet Chlorine. Chlorine, meet mage. Have fun choking to death.

[kilopi505]

Don't many fantasy armies also have things like dragons--untouchable airpower there--monsters whose mere appearance would destroy morale, and hordes of charging enemies like Orcs that are literally fearless?

Dragons are in my opinion, gigantic overglorified flying flamethrowers. Sopwith Camels and Fokkers would peck it to death with machine guns from outside the dragons range. And besides, how fast are dragons? Something that big, even if I suspend my disbelief, would just be as fast as an ordinary bird. Biplanes however...and we can build planes faster than dragons can breed if it is simply a battle of attrition.

Orcs, meet machine guns, bolt action rifles, trenches and barbed wire. Machine gun, bolt action rifle, trench and barbed wire, meet orcs. Have fun.

And even if we are talking about earlier than the gunpowder age...Orcs, meet Leonidas and the Spartans. Enough said.

[Lord of the Abyss]

Don't many fantasy armies also have things like dragons--untouchable airpower there--monsters whose mere appearance would destroy morale, and hordes of charging enemies like Orcs that are literally fearless?

Dragons are in my opinion, gigantic overglorified flying flamethrowers. Sopwith Camels and Fokkers would peck it to death with machine guns from outside the dragons range. And besides, how fast are dragons? Something that big, even if I suspend my disbelief, would just be as fast as an ordinary bird. Biplanes however...and we can build planes faster than dragons can breed if it is simply a battle of attrition.

That really depends on the dragons. You've got teleporting dragons, magic using dragons, dragons that fly faster than the speed of sound, dragons that melt mountains with laser "breath", dragons that can destroy worlds, and scads of other super-powered varieties. Others are just big lizards with really bad breath.

[The Yosemite Bear]

how about wellington since the boer war wasn't for a century or so later.