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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
It seems pretty specious to treat the command centre as representative of the interior design for the entire ship, especially when Star Wars is supposed to have actual engineers designing things...
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
Consider the following;
Astartes are already bigger than normal humans by a significant margin. How much bigger isn't terribly important for the moment. What is important, however, is that even "standard" power armour makes them look like this;
It's worth mentioning that Terminator armour is even beefier than that.
Astartes are already bigger than normal humans by a significant margin. How much bigger isn't terribly important for the moment. What is important, however, is that even "standard" power armour makes them look like this;
It's worth mentioning that Terminator armour is even beefier than that.
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True, though most of the extra chunkitude in terminator armour is width not height, the armour extends a little over the head which maybe adds another 6-8", but that's the extent of the height difference.Ryan Thunder wrote: It's worth mentioning that Terminator armour is even beefier than that.
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
Are there any images that include both armour types? I wouldn't bother with the models, since they tend to sculpt most infantry at around the same size (though it may be worth noting that Terminator models are significantly larger than the tactical marine ones in spite of that).
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That's because the Terminator models are 5 for $50. They'd better fucking be chunkier!
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
I don't have time to read all the posts so ill just ask: ISD's have artifficeil...fake gravity right? couldn't the ship just put a shit loud of gravity in theose sections to hold them till heavy weapons arrive?
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
That assumes that they can increase the gravity as much as they want. Since we never see that capability against other intruders, i do not see why we should assume that they could. They likely can do it within certain reasonable limits, but i doubt they can increase it to, say, 50 times of the normal gravity.lordofchange13 wrote:I don't have time to read all the posts so ill just ask: ISD's have artifficeil...fake gravity right? couldn't the ship just put a shit loud of gravity in theose sections to hold them till heavy weapons arrive?
And an increase to 2, 3 times of the normal gravity won't do much against Marines due to their strenght and powered armor.
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
As it's gobbled up my first picture, that was a 10-12 foot corridor on the Death Star.Ryan Thunder wrote:It seems pretty specious to treat the command centre as representative of the interior design for the entire ship, especially when Star Wars is supposed to have actual engineers designing things...
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It may be supposed to be designed by 'actual engineers' but it is in fact designed by artists and set-designers who have plenty of vertical space to work with, and would have difficulty filming in lower areas.
Star Wars Technical Journal depicts the bridge as having the same height as most other decks on the ship (there are some areas with higher decks, none lower) by the way.
Never mind that the idea is teleport onto the bridge and take captives to blow the ship up.
In short, no, this idea that they're going to get stuck isn't going anywhere.
I have a torch in my house, right? Therefore I can blind intruders by turning it up to one hundred million candlepower.lordofchange13 wrote:I don't have time to read all the posts so ill just ask: ISD's have artifficeil...fake gravity right? couldn't the ship just put a shit loud of gravity in theose sections to hold them till heavy weapons arrive?
Oh, wait, no, it's not built for that, so it cannot do it.
Same thing.
The Death Star also had a special room for heavy-gravity exercise (Death Star, Novel). If they can just turn up any old deckplate with software, they wouldn't need such a thing seperate from any other gym.
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
I have a torch in my house, right? Therefore I can blind intruders by turning it up to one hundred million candlepower.lordofchange13 wrote:I don't have time to read all the posts so ill just ask: ISD's have artifficeil...fake gravity right? couldn't the ship just put a shit loud of gravity in theose sections to hold them till heavy weapons arrive?
Oh, wait, no, it's not built for that, so it cannot do it.
Same thing.
The Death Star also had a special room for heavy-gravity exercise (Death Star, Novel). If they can just turn up any old deckplate with software, they wouldn't need such a thing seperate from any other gym.[/quote]
Ooo, what's gay. what about ion rifles to short out the terms power armour?
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We very much frown on using homosexual terms as insults here. And it's not """gay""" it's realistic. Why would the empire shell out for kill-you-grav-plates on everything when until the likes of Dark Empire no one had the stones to board Star Destroyers?lordofchange13 wrote:Ooo, what's gay.
There's no magic bullet to this. They could in theory get them with thermal detonators and such either. It's just that Space Marine veterans are hilariously over-the-top supersoldiers, and stormtroopers... really aren't. So long as they can concentrate their force against small groups of stormtroopers, they'll win easily, even if they're all toting DEMP guns. The danger becomes if the stromtroopers get time to bring up heavy weapons.what about ion rifles to short out the terms power armour?
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So that Vader doesn't get to have all the fun squishing incompetent junior officers?NecronLord wrote:We very much frown on using homosexual terms as insults here. And it's not """gay""" it's realistic. Why would the empire shell out for kill-you-grav-plates on everything when until the likes of Dark Empire no one had the stones to board Star Destroyers?
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Hmm technically any ship that has the ability to alter gravitational fields to counteract the massive acceleration that high-tech ships tend to undergo, should also have the ability to squish stuff inside, not just toward the floor, but onto the ceiling and walls as well. Star Wars, 40k and Star Trek ships should actually all have this capability to destroy any boarders.
Within SoD, seeing as no stories from any of those franchises seems to do it, there may be a common reason why none of them are able to do it. Outside of SoD, that'll be because it'll make stories really boring
As for ion guns, they're not a silver bullet. If you're firing on a heavily armored and insulated target, you still need to chew through all that first before you affect the electronics inside.
Within SoD, seeing as no stories from any of those franchises seems to do it, there may be a common reason why none of them are able to do it. Outside of SoD, that'll be because it'll make stories really boring
As for ion guns, they're not a silver bullet. If you're firing on a heavily armored and insulated target, you still need to chew through all that first before you affect the electronics inside.
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How do we know that the magic works that way? It might be completely unable to create gravity for all we know, just magic it away by some handwavium/technobabble mechanism. Or for all we know they just use some kind of magic spacewarp drive that doesn't do acceleration in the conventional sense at all (not so much SW or 40K, but Trek ships often have a conspicuous lack of anything that obviously resembles a rocket or an exhaust trail).Cykeisme wrote:Hmm technically any ship that has the ability to alter gravitational fields to counteract the massive acceleration that high-tech ships tend to undergo, should also have the ability to squish stuff inside, not just toward the floor, but onto the ceiling and walls as well.
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I think you may have been looking for something like this;NecronLord wrote:As it's gobbled up my first picture, that was a 10-12 foot corridor on the Death Star.Ryan Thunder wrote:It seems pretty specious to treat the command centre as representative of the interior design for the entire ship, especially when Star Wars is supposed to have actual engineers designing things...
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It may be supposed to be designed by 'actual engineers' but it is in fact designed by artists and set-designers who have plenty of vertical space to work with, and would have difficulty filming in lower areas.
Star Wars Technical Journal depicts the bridge as having the same height as most other decks on the ship (there are some areas with higher decks, none lower) by the way.
[Picture is too wide ~NL]
So yeah, they can probably fit on the bridge.
I can't believe you're actually using the goddamn Death Star as an example of standard Imperial corridor design. Even the Executor is questionable. It's like looking at a highway and assuming all roads are like that even through the little towns.
I'm sure you'll eventually take note of the fact that a Space Marine is probably about the same size as Chewie there without armour, and Chewie had to duck to get through the doors. Luckily for Chewie, Wookies generally don't wear stupidly large pauldrons of +10 auto-reactive hilarity.Never mind that the idea is teleport onto the bridge and take captives to blow the ship up.
So, let me get this straight; the Astartes teleport in to the bridge, take the command crew hostage--and then the backup crew takes over from the secondary bridge and they're stuck up there because they can't even fit in the goddamn lifts.In short, no, this idea that they're going to get stuck isn't going anywhere.
But this isn't really any surprise. They're only feasible for boarding actions in 40K because all their enemies obliged them by designing all their ships with huge empty spaces in them. Hell, the Eldar did it before the Space Marines were even a twinkle in the Emperor's eye, from the looks of it.
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Junghalli wrote:How do we know that the magic works that way? It might be completely unable to create gravity for all we know, just magic it away by some handwavium/technobabble mechanism. Or for all we know they just use some kind of magic spacewarp drive that doesn't do acceleration in the conventional sense at all (not so much SW or 40K, but Trek ships often have a conspicuous lack of anything that obviously resembles a rocket or an exhaust trail).Cykeisme wrote:Hmm technically any ship that has the ability to alter gravitational fields to counteract the massive acceleration that high-tech ships tend to undergo, should also have the ability to squish stuff inside, not just toward the floor, but onto the ceiling and walls as well.
Another explanation would be that they could squish the intruders but doing so would destroy delicate parts of the ship that are also within the area of the increased gravity. For example the internal components of the artificial gravity device could be destroyed by the increased gravity, unless the increase is balanced by the the thrust from the engines.
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Evidence that the autocratic and oppressive galactic empire has its ships set up so that an officer can override the instructions of his commanding officer. Now.Ryan Thunder wrote: So, let me get this straight; the Astartes teleport in to the bridge, take the command crew hostage--and then the backup crew takes over from the secondary bridge
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Sorry about the image.
Excuse me? You mean they wouldn't have contingency plans for saving a mile-long ship from compromised officers? What the hell does the Empire being autocratic and oppressive have to do with that?NecronLord wrote:Evidence that the autocratic and oppressive galactic empire has its ships set up so that an officer can override the instructions of his commanding officer. Now.Ryan Thunder wrote: So, let me get this straight; the Astartes teleport in to the bridge, take the command crew hostage--and then the backup crew takes over from the secondary bridge
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They sure didn't have any back-up for the bridge of the 12-mile long command ship, did they?
The Empire supposedly has hundreds of thousands of ISDs and a paranoid Emperor. I find it more believable that the ships have easy self destructs rather than easy command overrides.
The Empire supposedly has hundreds of thousands of ISDs and a paranoid Emperor. I find it more believable that the ships have easy self destructs rather than easy command overrides.
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See ICS Ep2 page 22 & Ep3 p5. Inertial compensators are a system located near the back of a wedge shape ship. The Acclamator one has "Tail houses extended spinal conduit for inertial compensator fields that maintain the integrity of the void-filled ship's structure" while the Venator has "Main inertial compensator" located in the ship's tail.Cykeisme wrote:Hmm technically any ship that has the ability to alter gravitational fields to counteract the massive acceleration that high-tech ships tend to undergo, should also have the ability to squish stuff inside, not just toward the floor, but onto the ceiling and walls as well. Star Wars, 40k and Star Trek ships should actually all have this capability to destroy any boarders.
Even if they can be used to kill people (and frankly 'not kill people' is liable to be firmware) there's no evidence they could be used to kill people in any given area without killing the entire crew or even tearing the ship asunder if used at full power while the ship was not accelerating.
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Re: 40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer
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That's the image of an ISD available from this website. The area around the hypermatter reactor seems...pretty spacious.
That's the image of an ISD available from this website. The area around the hypermatter reactor seems...pretty spacious.
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They do. One is seen in Truce at Bakura. It consists of an ISB plant on the bridge crew who is to executes the compromised officer. Another is seen in the Thrawn trilogy where the Emperor's hands had a code to lock down or take control of a star destroyer. But why would they have an easy ability to overthrow the commanding officer? That would allow Lt Cmdr Rebellious to overthrow the captain and vent the main bridge into space.Ryan Thunder wrote:Excuse me? You mean they wouldn't have contingency plans for saving a mile-long ship from compromised officers?
Now do you or do you not have evidence that a 'backup' officer can override his commander's self destruct code?
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They did; those guys just didn't have time to take over. But there's no evidence that say, Captain Needa could lock out or override Admiral Ozzel's destruct code.Bob the Gunslinger wrote:They sure didn't have any back-up for the bridge of the 12-mile long command ship, did they?
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I doubt the Termies will give the backup crew much more time to work than a leisurely plunge toward the nearest space station.
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Ah, fuck it. No, I don't.NecronLord wrote:They do. One is seen in Truce at Bakura. It consists of an ISB plant on the bridge crew who is to executes the compromised officer. Another is seen in the Thrawn trilogy where the Emperor's hands had a code to lock down or take control of a star destroyer. But why would they have an easy ability to overthrow the commanding officer? That would allow Lt Cmdr Rebellious to overthrow the captain and vent the main bridge into space.Ryan Thunder wrote:Excuse me? You mean they wouldn't have contingency plans for saving a mile-long ship from compromised officers?
Now do you or do you not have evidence that a 'backup' officer can override his commander's self destruct code?
This doesn't sound much better than the usual "beam into bridge, flood ship with nerve gas" horseshit we used to get from the Trektards, though.
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The difference is that Starfleet never uses tactics like that and probably lacks the capability to beam onto an ISD, whereas Imperium Terminators really do use brute force well, attack vital parts of the ship, and use a teleport system that will probably work.
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