Batman wrote:keen320 wrote:
Also, How would ANYTHING survive a nova or supernova blast? That's one of the most destructive things in the known universe.
It also wastes the vast majority of its power on EMPTY SPACE. All you have to do to survive a supernova is be far enough away. Which isn't all that far in interstellar terms. With Wars level shielding you can essentially IGNORE it.
Maybe I'm confused, I thought the reason DS I was creeping up on Yavin was because it couldn't come out of hyperspace closer, and its Sublight speed limitation was the reason it couldn't just whip around Yavin.
Thanas wrote:
So a single ISD can tear it up with ease, seeing as how it has a broadside which can put out at least 1,600,000 megatons.
Note that a single cannon barrel of an ISD turret has at least a firepower of 200,000 megatons. And an ISD has 16 of those.
Also, if all they have is that low of shielding/damage absorption, a single DS blast is overkill. Way overkill.
First I don't know if Keen's hypermissile numbers are accurate. The Dahak, or any of the planetoids couldn't have been withstanding attacks from "just" dozens" because that would mean that like one in ten ships attacking them were firing a missile, there had to be literally thousands of missiles hitting as well as the significantly more powerful energy weapons the AChuultani used. Emperor Herdan for example was being raked with thousands of such beams, her shields eventually failed and she hypered out instantly when her captain ordered it. The last report was she was 41 % combat capable, with 900 KIM hunks torn out of her southern pole. The debate so far seems like it is between ONE Asgerd and the Death Star, not a dozen, not a hundred, not thousands. This I don't understand. How is the Death Star II with a three minute charging time, supposed to deal with hundreds of planetoids hypering in and out of range and spamming it with missiles that took out a moon with twice its mass.
There Are A Lot of Planetoids. And Each Has At Least 80 parasites which, while doubtless shielded less effectively, fire the same gravitonic missiles which are in at least the gigaton range.
Keen is probably talking up the hyper missiles because they pop in and out of dimensions to bypass shields but my udnerstanding is the gravitonic missiles use the same means of delivery, Dahak's fleet left at Earth and the technology they sued to defend against several hundred thousand Achuultani was primitive and out of date by 50 thousand years by the time they found the Asgerd planetoids and their gravitonic weapons. While this probably isn't effective on say snub fighters, the Deeath Star has all kinds of convenient trenches and landing bays for a missile to emerge into. Ignoring the shield bypass aspect, the missiles are described as creating miniature black holes, the same weapon that was used very effectively by the Vong on post Imperial technology, to rip shields away among other things.
As for firepower, 16 of them blew up Iapetus, and even the parasites were hurling them by the dozen at the Achuultani coming after Earth. 4th imperium shields can't cover EVERY "Hyperband" and the Achuultani can't either so the idea is they missile spam across many many many dimensions until they start getting through.
A single SD is not going to match a utu let alone an Asgerd, because thanks to the automation the planetoids are still deadly after taking massive damage.
The Empire has the Death Star. The imperium even without a challenge to the death star, has an absolutely retarded number of Mobile bases full of fighters and battleships. They really just need to be a match for the star destroyers deployed throughout the galaxy in order to beat the Empire.
SW ships are capable of that speed themselves. What counts here is acceleration - how fast can that thing accelerate?
It can instantly enter Enchanach. The book mumbles something about hyperspace being "predetermined points" which is probably something like doing hyperspace calculations, it doesn't cause a problem when they are engaged in a pitched battle with hundreds of thousands of Achuultani, when they want to leave they just do. I can't find any references to sublight acceleration time from cruising to maximum because it appears to take place within the space of dialogue. I would think a huge factor here would be keeping the planetoids out of the way of the superlaser once it was charged up, but I don't see why at most a dozen couldn't wipe the Death star out before it was prepared to fire, even at a reduced power level that would be capable of destroying a planetoid.
"Likely" is not a good argument. However, even if we assume the shields will all be ineffective (which I am not prepared to stipulate to) then let me point out that ISDs have withstood salvos from each other without being shielded (Granted, not full salvos, but still definitely on the level of 100 GT at least)
What evidence is there that SW shields operate in multiple dimensions, and why even if there IS an obscure weapon they are designed to repel, would the gravitonic missiles enjoy at least the success of the Vong weapons, given that the Vong were effective with basically the same systems years later?
Star wars ships have been shown to hit kilometer-sized targets from a distance of an entire solar system.
With that in mind, the rest of your scenario does not work. A single ISD will most likely take it.
I don't think a ranged attack is in the imperium's best interest though I would argue an imperium ship could probably intercept a SW missile, and definitely seems to carry more ordinance. I think the Imperium's best plan would be to use its numbers and plan for deploying overwhelming firepower.
Most of the scenarios I have envisioned have admittedly been on the Empire's turf, I'm really not sure how it would play out if the Empire tried to mess with the Imperium, but the Op seemed to say who could survive the Imperium not vice versa