Episode III: What expectations do you have?(Maybe Spoilers)

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-08-17 01:47pm

Why does everyone have such a VSD fetish?

I think they look like crap- let DC come up with a worthy SD ancestor, and let the ICS call it Victory-class. Everybody happy!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-08-17 02:01pm

I think the main conflict here is that GL has AT MOST 2.5 hours to tell the story of the fall of Darth Vader and people want to see VSD and other EU favs and I want to see Anakin become Darth Vader and the Obi Wan Anakin duel. GL needs to tell his story and pace it well within a time frame he is very strict about keeping. I think he has always stated that he never likes his SW movies to be more than 2 hours. So you do the math and tell me what the FIRST things to go will be when it comes time to tell the tale of the Fall of Anakin.

Lord_Vader · Post by **Lord_Vader** » 2002-08-17 09:02pm

With any luck we should get some nice space battles. I am hoping that all we saw was the start of the Clone Wars...that leaves us some room here. To date I dont think anyone apart from Lucas knows how long exactly the Clone Wars lasts but it was meant to be an extremely destructive war. I think Ep3 will suck horribly if we all we see is the end of it. The coolest though will see Anakin either at the start of the movie or the middle but he falls to the Dark Side...and then fights Obi and then loses of course and becomes Vader. We then see Vader institute a reign of terror and see him hunt down Jedi with some cool lightsaber action.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2002-08-17 11:48pm

First off i dont agree with you with TPM being an idiots tale. It just recently went to the top of my fav SW movie beating Empire. Ill watch Empire more and it will regain its reign dont worry. I found that by watching TPM more and more it becomes great. Anyways after reading Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and reading parts were Darth Maul and Sidious have thoughts and visions on hows its gonna be when the Sith take over a thought on how Episode 3's final scene should be. In my opinion and it came from me first or maby others who i havent spoken to yet but hte best scene would be seeing the Jedi Council builing in flames as well as the meeting council room in flams and we see Sidious in his dark robes move about and take a seat in one of the Councils chairs and laugh methodicly like he does in Jedi.

that would be the greatest ending to the greatest movie.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2002-08-17 11:53pm

not to mention the Imperial March at full fan fare and early versions of Tie Fighters flying outside the windows on the Jedi Council behind Sidious/Palpatine

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-08-18 01:13am

I'd like to see Donku and Mace get into a kick ass fight, then enter Anakin after the event that drives him to the dark side and have a even more kick ass three way lightsaber duel in which Anakin will cut down both mace and Donku and go on to face Obi. I'd like to see 5 different painful death sences for Amidala, I'd like to see Anakin fall in to the lava and not acid like I've heard people at my school talk about. I'd like to see Anakin get killed by the true master of the dark side.

Heh heh heh. If only.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-08-18 04:54am

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt we will see anything like that in the movies. But, a prequel era source book might include them.

The Victory was rejected for ANH. I doubt Lucas would include it. Anyway, I thought the Victory came out just after the Clone wars, or was it just before the end?

Okay, if we don't get to see the Victory-class, I would like to see some warships who vaguely resemble Star Destroyers which are dedicated warships, rather than the Acclamators who just are heavily armed troop transports. The SW2ICS mentions that Kuat also produced starships called the Mandator-class and Procurator-class which are described as "more powerful" than the Acclamators. I would very much like to see these.

Vympel,

Why does everyone have such a VSD fetish?

I think they look like crap- let DC come up with a worthy SD ancestor, and let the ICS call it Victory-class. Everybody happy!

If we see a proto-Star Destroyer in SW3, I don't think that it should be called a Victory-class.

By the way, if there's any large-scale ground combat, I would also like to see the A-5 Juggernaught, a wheeled vehicle similar to an AT-AT. (Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe that the AT-TE is the predecessor of the AT-AT since the AT-TE seems to be a dedicated combat vehicles which can carry troops, while I see the AT-AT as having the primary function as a troop transport)

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-19 04:25am

Do you really think Lucas thinks of the weapons' roles in connecting them to each other, rather than connecting them by their appearence? Or even cares?

AT-TE=AT-AT
Acclamator=ISD
Clones=Stormtroopers
Coruscant guards=IRG (Imperial Royal Guard)
Battle droid blasters=Stormtrooper E-11 blasters
Sith Infiltrator=TIE X-1 (Vader's TIE)
Republic ambassador ship=Blockade Runner
Republic pilots=Imperial officers (wore exactly the same uniforms except different colors)
Sith speeder bike thingy (Darth Maul's)=speeder bike

There really aren't many other significant connections, but we should see plenty more in Episode Three. I don't think Lucas really is into the technical crap of the vehicles he chooses to go into Star Wars. I think he mainly leaves it up to his designers and then authors (source books) to do, but chooses what he likes best because of the way they appear.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-08-19 11:37am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote: Acclamator=ISD
Clones=Stormtroopers
Coruscant guards=IRG (Imperial Royal Guard)
Battle droid blasters=Stormtrooper E-11 blasters
Sith Infiltrator=TIE X-1 (Vader's TIE)
Republic ambassador ship=Blockade Runner

........

There really aren't many other significant connections, but we should see plenty more in Episode Three. I don't think Lucas really is into the technical crap of the vehicles he chooses to go into Star Wars. I think he mainly leaves it up to his designers and then authors (source books) to do, but chooses what he likes best because of the way they appear.

Actually, the connections between the Republic Diplomat Ship and Corellian Corvette, between Acclamator-class Troop Transport and Imperator-class Destroyer and so on can easily be explained by the fact that the same companies developed them.

The Infiltrator, for example, was custom-manufactured for Darth Maul by Sienar Fleet Systems, who later produced the TIE fighters, the Acclamators were produced by a corporation owned by K.D.Y. (perhaps they were designed by the same design team) and the Republic Diplomat Ship was a Corellian product.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-08-19 01:49pm

My predictions for EPIII go like this:
1/ Will open with a huge battle, Republic (with Jedi) vs Separatists.
2/ During or after the battle, the Jedi will discover that Palpatine is Darth Sideous, and will be forced to switch sides to defeat the Sith. Except Anakin doesn't switch sides and stays loyal to the Republic.
3/ The middle of the film will have Palpatine using the 'treachery' of the Jedi to have himself declared Emperor.
4/ The film will end with a huge all-out separatist attack, during which Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi-Wan confront Palpatine, Dooku and Anakin. This will be a huge battle, and will end with Dooku and Windu dead, and Anakin seriously screwed. Yoda and Obi Wan will have to retreat, and Palpatine will save Anakin ("YOU are my apprentice, now!").

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2002-08-19 03:45pm

I want to see Ep III conclude with Palpatine's coronation ceremony in the senate chamber, with Anakin as Darth Vader by his side. Pomp and Pagantry Empire style!

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-08-20 07:06pm

I think Ep. 3 will have the most action by far of any SW movie... The violence has been slowly scaling up from Ep. 1 to Ep.2 and it is a fairly logical conclusion that Lucas may want this series to go out with a BANG! (or maybe, a SNAP-HISS!) in Ep.3

But I think he'll have a space battle... He'd better have one... or I shal strike down upon him with great vengeance and furious anger, and let him know that I am the LORD of evil and sadism...

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2002-08-21 12:02am

I don't know, we may get ripped off with Ep III. Lucas said Ep II would be a dull Love story but it turned into a massive ground battle. Now lucas will say EP III will be action pacted, and filled with darkness, but it will probably the opposite turning this more into the love story, and god that would suck. George Lucas is a horrible director, if Harrison Ford wasn't it ANH it would of sucked, it takes an acting to fix bad plots. George Screwed up on Ep I and the plot was weak, Ep II was similar especially if you take out the Special effects you get another weak plot, the Ending saved it for me, otherwise it would of been weak. Ep III will probably be weak also. ESB and ROTJ were far better movie than ANH because they weren't directed by Lucas and if I can remember right Lucas was the one who wanted Ewokks in ROTJ. Without a cocky gunslinging kickass hero to save the day Star Wars would suck, unless it had a few more Space battles.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-21 04:56am

You would just completely ignore everything else about SW?! Yoda, Vader, ISDs, SSDs, X-Wings, Death Stars, Y-Wings, Wookies, cantinas, landspeeders, lightsabers, blasters, Stormtroopers, AT-ATs, AT-STs, speeder bikes, Millenium Falcon, Princess Leia, etc.

I want to see Ep III conclude with Palpatine's coronation ceremony in the senate chamber, with Anakin as Darth Vader by his side. Pomp and Pagantry Empire style!

Hehehe it would be funny as hell if Darth Vader made his own version of the famous Patton speech. Replace Patton with Vader, replace American flag with a flag with the Imperial logo on it, replace Patton movie music with the Imperial March, replace U.S. soldiers with Imperial officers.

"...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his empire. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his rebellion. Men, all this stuff you've heard about the Imperials not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bantha poodoo. Imperials traditionally love to fight. All real Imperials love the sting of battle.

"When you were kids, you all admired the champion pod racer (points to himself), the best starfighter pilots (points to himself with other hand), big league sabbacc players, the toughest gladiator droids. Imperials love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. (Starts Force choking an officer that came in late). Imperials play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in Kessel for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Imperials have never lost and never will lose a war, unless the Rebels have one-man starfighters, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Imperials.

"Now, an army is a team - it lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of bantha poodoo...(makes hand gesture and nods towards Stormtroopers standing guard). Now, we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the galaxy unless I choke them to death. (Picks a random officer and chokes him for visual aid.)

"You know, by the Force, I actually......almost pity those poor bastards we're goin' up against. By the Force, I.....almost do. We're not just gonna blast the bastard, we're going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the joints of our AT-ATs. We're going to murder those lousy Rebel bastards by the bushel.

"Now, some of you middle-aged officers, I sense with the Force, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will (clenches fist) all do your duty. The Rebels are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood, blast them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do...wish you could have done so yourself for his incompetence, that's what you'll do.

"Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Rebels do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy...no wait scratch that last one, we're not gay. Let me rephrase: We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're gonna kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a bantha.

"Now, there's one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home, and you may thank the Force for it. Thirty years from now when you're sitting around your glowrods with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you: 'What did you do in the Galactic Civil War?', you won't have to say: 'Well, I shoveled bantha poodoo on Tatooine.'

"All right, now you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel and I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle anytime, anywhere as long as you don't fail me. Dismissed."

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-08-21 06:51am

HAHAHA
Dammit! CommandoJoe, you are one entertaining son-of-a-bitch!

If that were in, even if Ep.3 were some clumsy grab at a teenybopper romance flick, I'd still give it a 3.5/5 stars.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-08-21 07:02am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:You would just completely ignore everything else about SW?! Yoda, Vader, ISDs, SSDs, X-Wings, Death Stars, Y-Wings, Wookies, cantinas, landspeeders, lightsabers, blasters, Stormtroopers, AT-ATs, AT-STs, speeder bikes, Millenium Falcon, Princess Leia, etc.

I want to see Ep III conclude with Palpatine's coronation ceremony in the senate chamber, with Anakin as Darth Vader by his side. Pomp and Pagantry Empire style!
Hehehe it would be funny as hell if Darth Vader made his own version of the famous Patton speech. Replace Patton with Vader, replace American flag with a flag with the Imperial logo on it, replace Patton movie music with the Imperial March, replace U.S. soldiers with Imperial officers.

"...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his empire. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his rebellion. Men, all this stuff you've heard about the Imperials not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of bantha poodoo. Imperials traditionally love to fight. All real Imperials love the sting of battle.

"When you were kids, you all admired the champion pod racer (points to himself), the best starfighter pilots (points to himself with other hand), big league sabbacc players, the toughest gladiator droids. Imperials love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. (Starts Force choking an officer that came in late). Imperials play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in Kessel for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Imperials have never lost and never will lose a war, unless the Rebels have one-man starfighters, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Imperials.

"Now, an army is a team - it lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of bantha poodoo...(makes hand gesture and nods towards Stormtroopers standing guard). Now, we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the galaxy unless I choke them to death. (Picks a random officer and chokes him for visual aid.)

"You know, by the Force, I actually......almost pity those poor bastards we're goin' up against. By the Force, I.....almost do. We're not just gonna blast the bastard, we're going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the joints of our AT-ATs. We're going to murder those lousy Rebel bastards by the bushel.

"Now, some of you middle-aged officers, I sense with the Force, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will (clenches fist) all do your duty. The Rebels are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood, blast them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do...wish you could have done so yourself for his incompetence, that's what you'll do.

"Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything. Let the Rebels do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy...no wait scratch that last one, we're not gay. Let me rephrase: We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're gonna kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a bantha.

"Now, there's one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home, and you may thank the Force for it. Thirty years from now when you're sitting around your glowrods with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you: 'What did you do in the Galactic Civil War?', you won't have to say: 'Well, I shoveled bantha poodoo on Tatooine.'

"All right, now you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel and I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle anytime, anywhere as long as you don't fail me. Dismissed."

lmao

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-08-21 07:06am

hm. . . amidala has to have her babies, obiwan has to hide them and duel anakin, throwing him into the lava pit, which means he's turning to the dark side by then and certainly gone by the time obi arrives, palpatine has to reveal himself emperor and sidious, the purges will prolly begin, amidala might get iced, more military build ups, hopefully a huge space battle but I'm not sure with who, cuz the movie starts with the clone war ending. maybe some aliens, starting palpatine's anti alien thing. that would justify more emergency powers too (yay!).

Aaron2 · Post by **Aaron2** » 2002-08-21 10:16pm

Akm72 wrote:My predictions for EPIII go like this:
1/ Will open with a huge battle, Republic (with Jedi) vs Separatists.
2/ During or after the battle, the Jedi will discover that Palpatine is Darth Sideous, and will be forced to switch sides to defeat the Sith. Except Anakin doesn't switch sides and stays loyal to the Republic.
3/ The middle of the film will have Palpatine using the 'treachery' of the Jedi to have himself declared Emperor.
4/ The film will end with a huge all-out separatist attack, during which Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi-Wan confront Palpatine, Dooku and Anakin. This will be a huge battle, and will end with Dooku and Windu dead, and Anakin seriously screwed. Yoda and Obi Wan will have to retreat, and Palpatine will save Anakin ("YOU are my apprentice, now!").

This is essencially what I think as well. Only I'd have somewhere in there where Palpatine reveals that he's Vader's father.

BTW-Is it common knowledge that Vader is Annakin Skywalker? Probably not since Leia didn't make the connection when she met Luke.

Aaron2

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-21 11:28pm

Hehe I think I should make a new thread with it in Other Sci-Fi just for the hell of entertaining people. hehehehe

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-21 11:44pm

But did she ever know that Luke was Anakin's son? I don't think so. Leia probably wasn't told her father was Anakin as well. Anyway, at the end of RotJ SE, someone shouts out, "The Son of Suns! The Son of Suns!" on Coruscant. This could be reference to Anakin. He had no father, but was born on Tatooine, which had two suns. Or it could also mean Luke. But this was also shouted in TPM at the celebration. So it must mean it was in reference to Anakin Skywalker. Cool, huh?