Colonial Marines and Aliens on Pandora

[keen320]

So let's say that the Colonial Marines are chasing a ship on a ballistic trajectory that is loaded with Xenomorphs. They can't catch up with it before it goes through a wormhole that then closes. They wait around and it opens up a month later, when they pursue in a a ship identical to the USS Sulaco and with a full complement of marines and their equipment. The wormhole closes behind them. Their analysis of the planet shows that the infested ship has landed near the remains of a gigantic, toppled tree on a previously unknown life bearing world. Their orders are: They must eliminate the Xenomorph infestation and confirm how far it had spread to make sure they have completely eliminated it. So they can't just nuke the site. They have to investigate first. Of course:)

What they don't know:
The planet is Pandora
The tree is the wreckage of "Home Tree"
This is approximately 4 years after the events in Avatar

What happens?

[Arachnidus]

The Na'vi wouldn't just shut themselves away after Avatar, they'd militarize and advance a bit, knowing that humans can and likely will eventually return. Granted the nature of their organic internet thing and the way the environment reacts to outside elements, it's possible that they would be able to mount some type of defense against the Xenos...but not for long, at all. All that biomass to use creates a massive problem for the planet...one cringes at the thought of a Na'vi born Xenomorph.

Also, odds are the marines would eventually encounter the Na'vi, and based on the current tactical situation, Jake might still be present, allowing a degree of diplomatic contact and alliance out of necessity to be established.

[wautd]

a Na'vi born Xenomorph.

A Na'vi born Xenomorph will be the least of their troubles. There's some nasty creatures on Pandora.

[spaceviking]

How would the navi advance? The real trouble would be dealing with Navi carrying left behind human equipment.

[Sarevok]

How would the navi advance? The real trouble would be dealing with Navi carrying left behind human equipment.

The Navi dont seem fond of technology. Other than the human controlled navi avatars I dont recall any Navi using a firearm.



Anyway this seemed appropriate

[LionElJonson]

IIRC, the guy that directed them both said a Thanator would rip an Alien Queen to pieces; the Na'vi and similar large predators might well be quite capable of taking down the typical human-based xenomorph.

[Sarevok]

The acid blood would kill anyone that wounds a xenos though.

[spaceviking]

They could use arrows and other range weapons to negate the acid blood effect.

[Sarevok]

1) Only the Navi have ranged attacks of any sort.

2) Xenos are quite resistant against powerful future weapons used by colonial marines. Arrrows may not be able to effectively pierce their carapace armor.

3) Pandora is a xenomorphs dream territory full of hiding place. Getting an arrow shot on them would be like hunting xenos in an office building armed with a scoped sniper rife.

[Shroom Man 777]

What? The powerful future weapons of the Colonial Marines, which didn't seem any different from modern weapons, killed the fuck out of the xenos. There was no special resistance.

Also, the Na'vi can just ride their pterodactyl dragonoids and drop rocks on the xenos from orbit really high up.

Or whatever.

[Sarevok]

Bullets have better penetration than arrows and sustained fire is required to put down a xenomorph. One or two arrows are not going to maim a xenomorph before it tears apart the shooter. That is assuming the Navi get a chance to shoot first. Xenomorphs can surprise people with motion trackers.

[Shroom Man 777]

The arrows are penetrative enough to rip through people and cockpit canopies and shit. Sustained fire? The Marines were killing the Aliens in droves, with bursts for each aliens. Besides, for all we know, they were using pussy 5.56mm Space NATO rounds.

Oh no Xenomorphs can surprise people with blah. So? It's not as if the Na'vi aren't adept at being sneaky themselves. I'd say they'd be harder to surprise than a bunch of slack-jawed Marines led by fucking Gormans who call aliens 'xenomorphs', leading to fans calling aliens 'xenomorphs' even though other fans don't like 'xenomorphs' and who are nerdraged enough that to them whoever calls aliens 'xenomorphs' ends up getting called a 'Gorman' too. *mocks that previous thread where other members had a bitchfit because of the name 'xenomorph'.

Non-bullshit answer:

The arrows were able to kill RDA soldiers just fine, one arrow per person, and were good enough to punch through cockpit canopies. So in terms of lethality, they aren't that weak compared to rifle rounds. I mean, fuck, don't those arrows impale people on trees?

As for sneakiness, that's cause the aliens used ventilation shafts and their home turf was covered in fuck ugly gunk that made it easy for aliens to camouflage in. And, also, it's not as if Na'vi aren't trained to be sneaky ass hunters themselves.

EDIT:

Fuck. For all we know, if the xenomorph comes too close to the Na'vi, the Na'vi might end up just bitchslapping the xenomorph like a cheap slut.

[Sarevok]

The arrows are penetrative enough to rip through people and cockpit canopies and shit. Sustained fire? The Marines were killing the Aliens in droves, with bursts for each aliens. Besides, for all we know, they were using pussy 5.56mm Space NATO rounds.

The Avatar DVD is out btw. You should watch how slow the arrows are. I dont care if they are made of titanium or something. At those velocities their penetration should be shit. Except against shit materials RDA weapons are made of.

The arrows were able to kill RDA soldiers just fine, one arrow per person, and were good enough to punch through cockpit canopies. So in terms of lethality, they aren't that weak compared to rifle rounds. I mean, fuck, don't those arrows impale people on trees?

They had considerable momentum due to being BIG. But they were slow. To penetrate armor you require SPEED. Now of course a xenomorph getting porcupined is going down. But xenomorphs are far more durable than humans. Navi aint one shot killing them like they could RDA infantry.

As for sneakiness, that's cause the aliens used ventilation shafts and their home turf was covered in fuck ugly gunk that made it easy for aliens to camouflage in. And, also, it's not as if Na'vi aren't trained to be sneaky ass hunters themselves.

However xenomorphs have crazy "electromagnetic" technobabble senses that can defeat through Predator cloak devices. Navi cant hide from them at all.

Fuck. For all we know, if the xenomorph comes too close to the Na'vi, the Na'vi might end up just bitchslapping the xenomorph like a cheap slut.

According to the official Pandorapedia Navi have four times stronger than a baseline human.

In many respects, the Na'vi body is almost human-like (and, even by human standards, beautiful). The waist is narrow and elongated. The shoulders are very wide, creating a v-shaped upper back. The neck is twice as long as an average human and can rotate, owl-like, almost 180 degrees. The body overall is more slender than the average human and is reminiscent of a Masai or Watusi. But the musculature is sharply defined, giving no sense of emaciation despite the thin proportions (they have roughly four times the strength of the average human). Their almond-shaped, cat-like eyes are large and hypersensitive to various bands of light. For balancing their long torso and legs, the Na'vi have a long, prehensile lemur-like tail. They can traverse the landscape on the surface as well as from tree branch to tree branch.

sauce

That is not enough to safely melee against a xenomorph. Not only is the xenomorph physically strong. It has built weapons like claws and stinger tail which the Navi lack and have no defense against (they have no concept of armor).

[Shroom Man 777]

The Avatar DVD is out btw. You should watch how slow the arrows are. I dont care if they are made of titanium or something. At those velocities their penetration should be shit. Except against shit materials RDA weapons are made of.

They had considerable momentum due to being BIG. But they were slow. To penetrate armor you require SPEED. Now of course a xenomorph getting porcupined is going down. But xenomorphs are far more durable than humans. Navi aint one shot killing them like they could RDA infantry.

Just how super-durable are they? If an arrow hits center mass, that's still going to ruin a xenomorph's shit. It's still going to be injured and impeded with a huge-ass arrow stuck through it. It'll still bleed to death. It'll still be slowed down. Which makes chucking more arrow-spears at it easier.

However xenomorphs have crazy "electromagnetic" technobabble senses that can defeat through Predator cloak devices. Navi cant hide from them at all.

And little children girls can? I thought the xenomorphs could see the Predators because the xenomorphs could smell them (isn't that how it worked in the AvP games?). And are Predator cloaks proof against IR? The xenomorphs might as well be heatseekers, like mosquitoes and snakes.

But lol, just because they can sniff or see Preds through their cloaks, means that xenomorphs' senses are no-limits now? Predators can still sneak up on them.

According to the official Pandorapedia Navi have four times stronger than a baseline human.

*snip*

That is not enough to safely melee against a xenomorph. Not only is the xenomorph physically strong. It has built weapons like claws and stinger tail which the Navi lack and have no defense against (they have no concept of armor).

But the Na'vi are fuckoff huge, and thus have longer reach than the xenos. If a Predator, which was rated in the Pred vs. Na'vi thread to have similar strength class to the Na'vi, can fucking hand-to-hand a xenomorph, to the point of picking one up by the tail and hurling it around some ancient Antarctic Aztec pyramid, then a considerably taller, longer-limbed Na'vi will have the same advantages - if not more, due to sheer reach.

Simply put, the Na'vi can just grab sticks and beat the shit out of xenomorphs with them. Na'vi are strong enough to do that, and as we see with Neytiri killing the crap out of xeno-doggies, they're pretty damn fast fighters too. So the stupid xenomorphs get owned by Na'vi with baseball bats. What a bunch of bitches.

[CaptainChewbacca]

One xenomorph by itself isn't a threat to Pandora. Either the local fauna will kill it, or the Na'avi will hunt it down as an abomination to Eowa. Their arrows go through STEEL, I think they can crack a xeno's shell.

[Skylon]

2) Xenos are quite resistant against powerful future weapons used by colonial marines. Arrrows may not be able to effectively pierce their carapace armor.

The ONLY case I ever recall seeing an Alien resist a weapon was in "Aliens", during the vent scene. Gorman tries to shoot an Alien at one point, at close range with a hand gun. The shots ricochet off the xenomorph's skull armor. It was probably due to Gorman using low caliber rounds, and where he was shooting the xeno. Vaaquez two minutes prior had shoved a xeno against a wall and shot it in the side of the head, killing it with a hand gun. So, other than the forehead/skull cavity, the rest of the xeno seems VERY vulnerable to small arms and assault weapons.

[Zor]

How would the navi advance? The real trouble would be dealing with Navi carrying left behind human equipment.

The Navi dont seem fond of technology. Other than the human controlled navi avatars I dont recall any Navi using a firearm.

Well Jake did manage to convince two Na'vi to use radios, and the main reason why they did not use more was because of a Radio Shortage.

Zor

[Arachnidus]

One xenomorph by itself isn't a threat to Pandora. Either the local fauna will kill it, or the Na'avi will hunt it down as an abomination to Eowa. Their arrows go through STEEL, I think they can crack a xeno's shell.

But a full blown, established hive? As I said, xenos expand rapidly, they breed entire generations in days, if not hours. All it takes is a few eggs, some local fauna and a few Na'vi and you've got a full brood of incredibly super dangerous xenos bred specifically to combat the environment they were "born" in. I mean, if the Colonials were helping the Na'vi, then the chances of victory for the humanoids are significantly increased, but as a rule, once an alien hive comes in, it's not easy to stop short of nuking it.

[CBG]

Young Predators consider aliens worthy melee opponents. Young predators have some armor, melee weapons superior to Na'vi ones, (plus metal blades implanted into their forearms), and we can safetly assume they underwent long training with melee fighting xenomorphs in mind, with expertise of veteran xenomorph killers. Yet, they still consider a xenomorph a worthy opponent. Na'vi in this scenario never seen a xenomorph, know nothing about xenomorphs, are not members of a culture crazy about killing animals like xenomorphs and have inferior melee weapons. Xenomorphs will also get a nice boost to their already high agility due to Pandora's lower gravity.
And after a few unsuspecting Na'vi get attacked by facehuggers they are going to meet xenomorphs with navi characteristics - probably bigger, stronger, tougher and faster than human incubated ones.

Wonder if navimorphs would have the bio usb plugs

[Zor]

Wonder if navimorphs would have the bio usb plugs

Eywa might command them to jump off cliffs onto piles of pointy rocks.

Zor

[Shroom Man 777]

Once a hive comes in and what? A xeno hive was easily killed by Sigourney Grace Ripley with a flamethrower. Unless armies of facehuggers crawl out of the hive and actively hunt down prey, it won't work. It's not simply "xenos get biomatter/hosts, instawin lol". The standard xenomorph MO is to haul captives to the hive to impregnate. That works if your prey-hosts are defenseless colonists. But in a hostile environment like Pandora? If a xenomorph tries to grab a Space Rhino, the thing will just gore on it or step it to death. Those panthers would just cut one up. Sure, acid blood, blah blah, but Hicks survived acid-blooding. So blah.

Also, if a xeno comes up at a Na'vi, the Na'vi just beats it to death with a stick. Blunt-force trauma, like Johnsons baby shampoo, no tears and no acid blood. If a facehugger jumps a Na'vi? Well, a facehugger had fucking trouble impregnating Sigourney Grace Ripley in Aliens, she struggled with it and shit. Against a Na'vi? The Na'vi just pulls it off its blue neck and smashes the damn thing against a tree or crushes it with a rock.

[Zor]

Once a hive comes in and what? A xeno hive was easily killed by Sigourney Grace Ripley with a flamethrower. Unless armies of facehuggers crawl out of the hive and actively hunt down prey, it won't work. It's not simply "xenos get biomatter/hosts, instawin lol". The standard xenomorph MO is to haul captives to the hive to impregnate. That works if your prey-hosts are defenseless colonists. But in a hostile environment like Pandora? If a xenomorph tries to grab a Space Rhino, the thing will just gore on it or step it to death. Those panthers would just cut one up. Sure, acid blood, blah blah, but Hicks survived acid-blooding. So blah.

There are smaller creatures such as Hexepedes and Tapirises.

Zor

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, then hopefully Eywa reacts negatively to the presence of an alien contaminant fucking around her bountiful bosoms.

[Themightytom]

My take is that the Xenomorphs (That name really pops..) in all of the movies have taken advantage of poor communication, and an absurd amount of duct work/crawl spaces. They stealthily pick off targets and lurk in the shadows. Sorry guys, there's not much duct work on Pandora and the shadows on Pandora are pretty fucking crowded.

In this situation the Na'Vi not only have physical advantages over humans, they're in a wild jungle and have a world brain as over watch. Xenomorphs would be fighting the whole planet not just the unwise colonists travelling one by one to ivnestigate a chamber of doom.

If a Na'Vi or two get picked off, or even a smaller animal Eyowah would take steps to neutralize them, especially given its recent experience with OTHER space invaders.

Even if Eyowah sat it out, the humans living among the Na'avi would organize resistance which as Arachnidus said is probably already being mobilized against future RDA incursions.

Come to think of it RDA has a presence on other planets in the system, would they notice a wormhole and out of control ship and think it worth the risk to investigate? I feel like Weyland Yuutani would have waaaay too much in common if they met.

Also, I think the Xenomorphs could probably take control of the RDA installation if they found it, that seems more their style, at which point the colonial marines arrive, find a staggeringly convenient landing grid laid out, enter the complex and get wiped out blowing up the installation with a queen riding the dropship back to Earth.

[bilateralrope]

Can Xenomorphs survive the toxins in the Pandora atmosphere ?