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Man posts bomb instructions on Facebook, is charged in plot
FBI agents find info on his Facebook page and record his comments about bombs in a sting.
By Ely Portillo
Posted: Friday, Sep. 10, 2010

A Concord man was charged with describing how to make explosives, in an effort to bomb an abortion clinic, after FBI agents found instructions on the man's Facebook page and caught him in a sting, officials said Thursday.

Justin Carl Moose, 26, is a self-described "extremist, radical" and the "Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden," according to an affidavit filed by FBI agents. Agents arrested Moose, who lives in a northwest Concord neighborhood, on Tuesday.

His arrest followed an investigation that began after Planned Parenthood alerted the FBI to a Facebook page registered to Moose, which the group said was advocating extreme violence against abortion providers.

Agents began monitoring the page and Moose's private messages. They say he collaborated last week with a confidential informant to plan the bombing of an abortion clinic in North Carolina.

Moose's relatives were reached by phone Thursday and declined to comment. He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted on federal charges of distribution of information relating to explosives.

According to the FBI affidavit, Moose advocated violence for a variety of causes and communicated with like-minded abortion opponents online.

Moose's Facebook page, which was still public Thursday, contained posts expressing anger at abortion doctors, President Barack Obama's health care plan, and plans to build a mosque near ground zero in New York City. It also included expressions of support for those who have killed abortion providers.

"Whatever you may think about me, you're probably right," he wrote on his Facebook page, according to the affidavit.

"Extremist, Radical, Fundamentalist...? Yep! Terrorist...? Well, I prefer the term 'freedom Fighter.'"

The page also said Moose is the father of three and searching for employment.

Status updates posted beginning in January urge violence, FBI agents said in their affidavit.

"The Death Care Bill passed last night," he wrote when Obama's health care plan was approved in March. "Keep your phone and rifle close and wait."

"There are few problems in life that can't be solved with the proper application of high explosives :)" Moose wrote two months later.

"If a mosque is built on ground zero, it will be removed. Oklahoma City style. Tim's not the only man out there that knows how to do it," the affidavit says he wrote in July, in a reference to Timothy McVeigh, who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City.


In August, the affidavit says, Moose posted detailed instructions for making TATP, an acronym for an explosive like that used by terrorists in the 2005 London subway bombings.

FBI agents obtained search warrants and started reading his private messages. In one sent to a fellow abortion opponent, agents say Moose wrote: "I have learned a lot from the muslim terrorists and have no problem using their tactics."

On Sept. 3, agents put their plan in motion. Their confidential source phoned Moose and told him that his best friend's wife was going to have an abortion.

FBI agents recorded the call. "Say no more," Moose said, according to the affidavit. "I understand and I can help."

On Friday, Sept. 4, the confidential source met Moose at the TGIFridays restaurant at Concord Mills, the affidavit says. There, in a conversation recorded by the FBI, Moose described several bombs the source could make in order to destroy the abortion clinic the woman was planning to use.

Moose also gave the source advice on how to conduct surveillance. He told the source to drink several beers and stagger around the clinic pretending to be drunk. If authorities confronted him, Moose explained, the man could tell them he was just looking for a place to urinate.

Finally, on Sept. 5, the confidential source called Moose again and said he had obtained the chemicals to make the explosive TATP. Moose talked him through the process of making the explosive and answered his questions, the affidavit says.

Moose was arrested two days later. A neighbor said she saw unmarked cars and FBI agents with guns drawn around the house that day.

Court records show Moose has no criminal history in North Carolina other than minor traffic charges. In 2006, a woman took out a domestic violence restraining order against him in Cabarrus County, but it was voluntarily dismissed days later. The woman declined to comment Thursday.
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What a fucking douche. I'm trying to think of some commentary for this article, but I don't have anything that hasn't been posted before.

The hard-right in America appears to to be getting more deranged by the day. With all the lies, rhetoric and plan old bullshit flying around, it's only a matter of time before a moron like this guy is successful. I will bet you every dollar I have that all the Glenn Beck's of America will collectively say "That's not my fault!".
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Destroying the abortion clinic during hours of operation would also mean the women who go there to get abortions will be caught in the attack. If they're killed/severly injured/distressed by the bombing, the fetus also dies. Which is what he is trying to prevent. :wtf:
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[R_H] wrote:Destroying the abortion clinic during hours of operation would also mean the women who go there to get abortions will be caught in the attack. If they're killed/severly injured/distressed by the bombing, the fetus also dies. Which is what he is trying to prevent. :wtf:
I think you'll find he'd just call them (the fetuses that is) martyrs for his cause and claim that he has sent a message. If even one abortion clinic had closed down following the attack he'd claim victory based on the number of "babies" he "saved".

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Twoyboy wrote:
I think you'll find he'd just call them (the fetuses that is) martyrs for his cause and claim that he has sent a message. If even one abortion clinic had closed down following the attack he'd claim victory based on the number of "babies" he "saved".

Applying logic to terrorism is like applying sticky tape to water.
If you count a fetus as a person, it makes perfect sense. What's 10 people if you are saving 1000?
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Glad they caught this shitbag before he did something really terrible. Let's hope he spends a very, very long time in prison.
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God I wish it were practical to backtrack from this, and actually confront the people who threw out bullshit about the "death panels" and "ground zero mosque" in the first place in some meaningful sense with this man, a man who openly shares the opinions they promoted, and took them to a conclusion that is more predictable from those opinions than they'd like to admit.
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shitbag wrote:"Extremist, Radical, Fundamentalist...? Yep! Terrorist...? Well, I prefer the term 'freedom Fighter.'"
They're interchangeable in practice, dipshit.
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[R_H] wrote:Destroying the abortion clinic during hours of operation would also mean the women who go there to get abortions will be caught in the attack. If they're killed/severly injured/distressed by the bombing, the fetus also dies. Which is what he is trying to prevent. :wtf:
Or he's just raising hell and couldn't find a suitable excuse. Actions > Words, remember.
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[R_H] wrote:Destroying the abortion clinic during hours of operation would also mean the women who go there to get abortions will be caught in the attack. If they're killed/severly injured/distressed by the bombing, the fetus also dies. Which is what he is trying to prevent. :wtf:
Shitheels like the guy in the op don't actually care about the fetuses. They just want to punish the women trying to abort them.
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Simon_Jester wrote:God I wish it were practical to backtrack from this, and actually confront the people who threw out bullshit about the "death panels" and "ground zero mosque" in the first place in some meaningful sense with this man, a man who openly shares the opinions they promoted, and took them to a conclusion that is more predictable from those opinions than they'd like to admit.
Wasn't Sarah Palin the one that came up with death panels? On her facebook page no less.

Same type of crap like the "second amendment" solutions and "don't retreat...reload." You use violent rhetoric, who would have imagined that you'd have a violent response.
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Ryan Thunder wrote: They're interchangeable in practice, dipshit.
Funny...there's some people in the Middle East who use the exact same logic that dipshit used here to excuse the would-be bomber...to excuse their own attacks against civilians :D

Of course, if you ask a right-winger, they're most definitely dirty terrorists, even though you could legitimately call some Iraqi insurgents guerilla (if not exactly freedom) fighters.
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neoolong wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:God I wish it were practical to backtrack from this, and actually confront the people who threw out bullshit about the "death panels" and "ground zero mosque" in the first place in some meaningful sense with this man, a man who openly shares the opinions they promoted, and took them to a conclusion that is more predictable from those opinions than they'd like to admit.
Wasn't Sarah Palin the one that came up with death panels? On her facebook page no less.
Same type of crap like the "second amendment" solutions and "don't retreat...reload." You use violent rhetoric, who would have imagined that you'd have a violent response.
Exactly. Her and all the others on the lunatic fringe of the American right wing. They can't be stupid enough not to know that this sort of thing is going to happen.

It's just so frustrating to deal with people who, by all appearances, do not care whether they gut the country in the process of pandering to a base that they and their predecessors have been radicalizing inch by inch for the past three decades or more.
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Simon_Jester wrote:They can't be stupid enough not to know that this sort of thing is going to happen.
I wouldn't know about that.
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Why is it that terrorists are so fucking stupid? I can support his desire to save the lives of babies by destroying abortion clinics, but, by God, I can't support the idiotic way he carried it out. :roll:
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LionElJonson wrote:Why is it that terrorists are so fucking stupid? I can support his desire to save the lives of babies by destroying abortion clinics, but, by God, I can't support the idiotic way he carried it out. :roll:
You can SUPPORT IT?!
Okay, either you are an idiot unable to choose the right word, or you are a assholish would-be murderer.

Perhaps you meant to say that you can comprehend/reconstruct their desire. You know, trying to understand someones actions without actually agreeing with them.
But given your previous behavior, i doubt that you merely misspoke.
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LionElJonson wrote:Why is it that terrorists are so fucking stupid? I can support his desire to save the lives of babies by destroying abortion clinics, but, by God, I can't support the idiotic way he carried it out. :roll:
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Serafina wrote:
LionElJonson wrote:Why is it that terrorists are so fucking stupid? I can support his desire to save the lives of babies by destroying abortion clinics, but, by God, I can't support the idiotic way he carried it out. :roll:
You can SUPPORT IT?!
Okay, either you are an idiot unable to choose the right word, or you are a assholish would-be murderer.

Perhaps you meant to say that you can comprehend/reconstruct their desire. You know, trying to understand someones actions without actually agreeing with them.
But given your previous behavior, i doubt that you merely misspoke.
Killing ten or twenty people to save the lives of a hundred or a thousand is justified. Abortion is murder; I would support the death penalty being applied to abortion doctors, or, failing that, I would support vigilante actions to bring them to justice.
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So...do you think the guy who shot that famous abortion doctor should not be prosecuted?

EDIT: Also, if abortion is murder, should we prosecute and execute women who fail to carry to term because of drinking/smoking/improper diet/too much exhertion/other reasons?
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Ah, so you really ARE the shithead i claimed you were.

First of all, abortion is NOT murder. A fetus is in no way comparable to a human being. It can not sustain itself and it doesn't even have a nervous system or brain. And in case you want to argue about a soul or anything - you have absolutely no proof for it's existance, but even if we leave that aside then you have no proof that the soul is there from the moment of conception - other than you saying so. But then again, i am not surprised that you want to murder people in order to impose your religious bigotry on them.

Second, you are ignoring all the benefits of abortion. Such as actually saving life, for starters.

And last but not least, you are supporting vigilantism here. And you are propably too moronic to contemplate any of the consequences of that.

In other words: Shut the fuck up, you fundamentalist moron.
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LionElJonson wrote: Killing ten or twenty people to save the lives of a hundred or a thousand is justified. Abortion is murder; I would support the death penalty being applied to abortion doctors, or, failing that, I would support vigilante actions to bring them to justice.
I'd support vigilante actions to bring your face to justice.

Man, why don't you just shut the fuck up and try to buy some nuclear warheads from the Indians so you can build your spaceship? :lol:

See, guys. This guy is applying the stupid violent religious bullshit from the Bible. And see, the stupid violent religious bullshit from the Bible makes Christianity also a load of stupid violent religious bullshit. Oh, (maybe) not Christians, but the Bible and Christianity in general because like what they say, because the book is full of stupid shit then that means the religion is also full of stupid shit (it is). This is what predisposes Christians like LionElFuckface to be a shit.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:
LionElJonson wrote: Killing ten or twenty people to save the lives of a hundred or a thousand is justified. Abortion is murder; I would support the death penalty being applied to abortion doctors, or, failing that, I would support vigilante actions to bring them to justice.
I'd support vigilante actions to bring your face to justice.

Man, why don't you just shut the fuck up and try to buy some nuclear warheads from the Indians so you can build your spaceship? :lol:
I've altered my previous plans for that; now it'll be a seaplane launching from International Waters.
See, guys. This guy is applying the stupid violent religious bullshit from the Bible. And see, the stupid violent religious bullshit from the Bible makes Christianity also a load of stupid violent religious bullshit. Oh, (maybe) not Christians, but the Bible and Christianity in general because like what they say, because the book is full of stupid shit then that means the religion is also full of stupid shit (it is). This is what predisposes Christians like LionElFuckface to be a shit.
*sigh*
The juvenile name calling is really annoying, and doesn't really help your case, Shroom Man 777. That said, where did I ever indicate that this conclusion was based on the Bible? This is pure Utilitarian ethics. The abortion doctor has killed people, and will go on to kill more people. Killing the abortion doctor will kill one person. Therefore, killing the abortion doctor is justified, since fewer people will wind up dead. Any innocent victims who get caught in the crossfire simply raise the threshold to which it becomes justified.
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Except that abortion doesn't kill anyone. Your basic premise is utterly wrong.
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Holy shit you are dumb

1. If you dont like the name calling leave

2. Fetuses aren't people thus rendering your utilitarian analysis moot.
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Again, if abortion = murder, and murder should be punished by death, do we execute a woman who lost a fetus because of drinking while pregnant? How about if she causes a fender-bender but the stress makes her miscarry, do we prosecute her for manslaughter? Or if someone pushes her and she miscarries, is the guy guilty of manslaughter? What about side effects: my wife, for example, got an infection in her fourth week ; The doctor said that he won't give her anything because there'd be a serious risk of miscarriage, but checked on her weekly to see if the infection wasn't getting worse. If it got really bad, she'd have gotten a round of antibiotics.

If my wife got the antibiotics and miscarried, the doctor would be guilty of homicide, right? What's the term, ten years or so? Unless the judge decided it was murder one, then off with his head!

What about spontaneous miscarriages (yes, they happen): theoretically, the woman's bathroom/kitchen/bedroom is now a crime scene. Should she be arrested, charges pending (innocent until proven guilty, yeah, but it's a POTENTIAL MURDER SCENE)?
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LionElJonson wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:
LionElJonson wrote: Killing ten or twenty people to save the lives of a hundred or a thousand is justified. Abortion is murder; I would support the death penalty being applied to abortion doctors, or, failing that, I would support vigilante actions to bring them to justice.
I'd support vigilante actions to bring your face to justice.

Man, why don't you just shut the fuck up and try to buy some nuclear warheads from the Indians so you can build your spaceship? :lol:
I've altered my previous plans for that; now it'll be a seaplane launching from International Waters.
Your face should be launched to international waters, on a seaplane.
The juvenile name calling is really annoying, and doesn't really help your case, Shroom Man 777.
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I mean, this isn't even about mocking stupid people (like you). You are a mockery of stupid people. I don't know how that statement makes sense, but I mean in in a way that calling you a vegetable would be an insult to broccolis, turnips and nice ladies like Terri Schiavo. Or like how calling you a retard would be a disservice to Sean Penn's mediocre performance in I Am Sam, or Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump. If we put you in the same classroom as those stupid people who've been retained in fourth grade 'cause they're so fucking stupid, these shitheads would probably vacate the premises like as if you just smeared yourself in dogshit, because that's how much of a mockery you are.
That said, where did I ever indicate that this conclusion was based on the Bible?
Who? Yours, or the Christian terrorist? The Christian terrorist is a terrorist who is a Christian, so it is about the Bible. While you, well, who gives a shit about you? Either way, your conclusion is based on shit and the Bible makes for a pretty good shit-substitute.
This is pure Utilitarian ethics. The abortion doctor has killed people, and will go on to kill more people. Killing the abortion doctor will kill one person. Therefore, killing the abortion doctor is justified, since fewer people will wind up dead. Any innocent victims who get caught in the crossfire simply raise the threshold to which it becomes justified.
Well, as a person who, this morning, just finished the paperwork needed to become a healthcare professional, I can tell you that the undeveloped products of conception that abortionists take out is no more a person than any other clump of cells and tissues in your body (like your brain, which was probably malformed by a misprescribed dose of abortifacients or teratogenic crap and needs a proper vacuum suctioning to remove). It's not a person. Products of conception aren't people. Whereas the doctors, nurses, and staff at the abortion clinics - and their patients - are actual people.

So if you want to kill real people to save undeveloped clumps of embryonic tissues because your conclusions based or not based on the Bible or some other shit-substitute,then you're not being a utilitarian. You're just being a tool.

So fuck off and try injecting some Cytotec in your eye socket. Maybe if we're lucky, your head will contract like a uterus and induce abortion to your brains, then we can suck the products of inconception from your ears or nostrils or something. Or scrape it out with a coat hangar. :lol:
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