40K Terminators in a Imperial star destroyer

[NecronLord]

Ah, fuck it. No, I don't.

This doesn't sound much better than the usual "beam into bridge, flood ship with nerve gas" horseshit we used to get from the Trektards, though.

The difference is that Trek basically never does that. The closest they've ever gotten is Scotty beaming tribbles into the Klingon engine room. Space Marines do this. I've given an example of where they do it and it's probably not the only one. Beaming aboard another ship in key locations to wreak havok at key points is a common 40K tactic.

In fact they have even improvised another way to simply use their teleporter device as a more general weapon. Marines have been known to simply target a bunker or other target and open up the teleport beam on a target with nothing in it, fusing and damaging the target area.

ST teleporting has all kinds of fun difficulty beaming in adverse conditions; in 40k it's as simple as 'Are shields up? If not beam away.' Trek is pretty unique in fact; most sci-fi with teleporters uses it much more aggressively. Take a look at say, stargate, which has been known to attack large ground objects with teleporters, abduct entire populations and teleport nuclear bombs into target ships.

Would you say the same about say the Culture teleporting a combat drone aboard to beat up the crew? Of course not. Different teleporters work differently.

[Cykeisme]

See ICS Ep2 page 22 & Ep3 p5. Inertial compensators are a system located near the back of a wedge shape ship. The Acclamator one has "Tail houses extended spinal conduit for inertial compensator fields that maintain the integrity of the void-filled ship's structure" while the Venator has "Main inertial compensator" located in the ship's tail.

Even if they can be used to kill people (and frankly 'not kill people' is liable to be firmware) there's no evidence they could be used to kill people in any given area without killing the entire crew or even tearing the ship asunder if used at full power while the ship was not accelerating.

Ah, it appears I made a logical leap in assuming that the system that provides artificial gravity (by artificial gravity I specifically mean the apparent effect of 1G upward acceleration of the decks) would be part of the same system that eliminates the actual effects of accelerating forward at hundreds of Gs.

If the inertial compensator was a separate ship-wide system (as is apparent from the fact that it's a single, sizeable component mounted in Star Wars capital ships, typically mounted at the stern), then I suppose it's likely that its effects extend throughout the ship's volume in entirety, and cannot be varied in a specific deck or corridor.
That alone justifies the lack of the utilizing the tweaking of acceleration compensation effects to kill boarders on ships in all the sci-fi realms I mentioned.

Just ignore my silly post then :/

[NecronLord]

News on this 'Crush them with gravity' idea folks. Re-reading the Lando Calrissian Trilogy, there's a scene in book 2, where Lando turns up the AG in the Falcon to three times normal to keep some persons prisoner (one of them already has two broken legs mind). It's also explicitly mentioned in book three that it uses deckplates to generate the gravity.

Of course, there are a number of technological oddities in these books, as they were published long before most of the rest of the EU. But it's a canon use of 'turn up the gravity' to stop people getting out of a room.

Of course whether this could be used on a Star Destroyer is anyone's guess, but if it can, it can probably go higher than 3G...

[Agent Sorchus]

Similarly in Han Solo at Stars' End we see Han adjusting gravity in a bar that has both zero gravity and high gravity sections. He also raises it to 3G's with the rationale that while debilitating it wouldn't be permanently harmful (except to those caught in the zero g dance floor) and that he was lucky that no-one in the bar came from a high G world. It seems obvious that he could have set it far higher but he wasn't going to kill anyone if he didn't need to. We don't see the limits of the system though, just an understanding that it can go higher.

[Tiwaz]

Similarly in Han Solo at Stars' End we see Han adjusting gravity in a bar that has both zero gravity and high gravity sections. He also raises it to 3G's with the rationale that while debilitating it wouldn't be permanently harmful (except to those caught in the zero g dance floor) and that he was lucky that no-one in the bar came from a high G world. It seems obvious that he could have set it far higher but he wasn't going to kill anyone if he didn't need to. We don't see the limits of the system though, just an understanding that it can go higher.

But how high they would have to get it to actually seriously hinder the Terminators?

Basic PA on SM is self powered, several novels have made mentions of suits ending up damaged causes them to stop responding properly and forcing the marine to operate them on their own power (possible but requires effort which tires even SM).

Terminator is much bulkier and definitely not possible to move in this way, but again is loaded up with artificial muscles and/or servos to reduce the amount of weight marine feels to point where it is irrelevant to his performance.

This added to vastly improved body of Space Marine makes it necessary to seriously up the gravity before they start to feel any ill effects. What would be dangerous for normal human is slight inconvenience to Terminator.

Could those gravplates up the gravity to point where it does adversly affect Terminator?

[Cykeisme]

Also, if artificial gravity is applied on a deck-by-deck (or room/hall-by-hall basis), can artificial gravity be disabled by blasting the floor plates?

Anyway, as the earlier discussion led to, it probably isn't possible to do this on Star Wars ships (or 40k ships, or Star Trek ships) seeing as how we don't see it being done to capture intruders in the movies and in most fiction.

[The Romulan Republic]

The difference is that Trek basically never does that. The closest they've ever gotten is Scotty beaming tribbles into the Klingon engine room.

Actually, didn't they beam a torpedo aboard a small Borg ship in Voyager's Dark Frontier? Or is my memory wrong?

[Srelex]

Memory Alpha says you're right. It was apparently only a probe, though.

[Tiwaz]

Borg ships are also virtually wide open for beaming.
When has Borg ship NOT been possible to beam into?
They are always running inside those ships sabotaging or something else, and thus far Borg has failed to put up even most rudimentary intrusion prevention.

For being so powerful, their power of stupidity is staggering.

[Chaotic Neutral]

A question on Terminator Teleporters:

How powerful are they? What is the range?

Could the Terminators simply walk around and beam everything that looks important into space? (Including people)

[Purple]

Well their teleporters work by sending you on a trip through the warp and at your target.
Now I don't know about the ranges but I would say that they could probably (although I have newer heard of them actually doing so) simply pull something into the warp and leave it there.

That is how vortex grenades work (if I recall correctly). They make a hole to the warp that sucks everything around it in.


Still, while the devices seem to be a lot more competent than Star Trek ones, but I doubt they can be used on the scale you say.

[Chaotic Neutral]

Is it recharge, or simply to much mass? You could beam people out one organ at a time. Ditto with reactors. (How important could those control rods be?)

[Bob the Gunslinger]

It would be far more effective for the Terminators to just kill the people and blow up the equipment they don't want to save. Keep in mind that every single transport has a non-negligible chance of creating another Event Horizon experience for everyone involved.

[Simon_Jester]

My impression is that the Terminators don't carry teleporters, they carry teleport beacons. Teleporters are much larger, heavier units, but they need the beacons to home in on if they want to 'beam someone up'. We see an example of this in one of the novels, where a team of normal Space Marines has to carry a special communications device and activate it in order to teleport up from the surface of a planet to an orbiting starship. One of the Space Wolf novels.

[Lonestar]

A question on Terminator Teleporters:

How powerful are they? What is the range?

Could the Terminators simply walk around and beam everything that looks important into space? (Including people)

In one of the Ciaphias Cain novels Chaos Space Marines 'ported in through the planet to the target on the other side. And presumably CSM 'porters are a bit more jangly than Imperial/AdMech 'porters.

[Shroom Man 777]

Though Cain noted that it was a desperate gambit and there might have been a few CSMs stuck in the core of the planet or something (but that is just his speculations). Still, this means teleporters can work beyond LOS - or at least they can beam stuff through entire worlds.

[Tiwaz]

Though Cain noted that it was a desperate gambit and there might have been a few CSMs stuck in the core of the planet or something (but that is just his speculations). Still, this means teleporters can work beyond LOS - or at least they can beam stuff through entire worlds.

Also in Blood angel novel Chaos forces were evacuated with teleporter, which required ship on orbit to create some sort of "teleportation orbs" on planetside. But result of badly done teleportation resulted in for example fusing of three Word Bearers into one two headed monstrosity.

[Ryan Thunder]

Though Cain noted that it was a desperate gambit and there might have been a few CSMs stuck in the core of the planet or something (but that is just his speculations). Still, this means teleporters can work beyond LOS - or at least they can beam stuff through entire worlds.

As I understand it they're warp-based, so I'm not sure that the endpoint mechanism actually interacts with the planet in the first place.

[Connor MacLeod]

Some teleporters are warp based othres not. The Warped based ones seem to be the ones most often used by the Space Marines (other types seem more like ST type transporters, although they largely stem from sources like BFG). Most teleporters like that do travel though the warp a short distance, although from what I recall the dangers implicit in that (As well as strain on the body) mean that generally only Astartes can safely risk that, and then again that requires using Terminator troops (meaining the VEterans.) And then you often need a teleport beacon (Accuracy does appear to matter) to ensure accuracy.

[Serafina]

I never heard of non-warp teleportation, other than Necron technology. Everything else uses the warp or webway in one way or the other, as far as i know.

[Connor MacLeod]

Teleporters in 2nd edition/earlier were somewhat different (more akin to ST transporters, they were covered in Wargear.) What I was actually referring to was BFG, where normal non-Astartes ships are supposed to be capable of teleport attacks (as well as boarding actions an dsuch.). Clearly, given the problems with warp teleporters they cannot be the same kind (but probably have their own limitations which is why Marines don't normally seem to use them. It could be an availability thing - not all warships will have them.)

I also believe a different kind of teleporter was used in Shadow point by Inquisitor Horst (but he's a veteran Inquisitor, which means he has access to higher end tech than usual.)

[Serafina]

If i am not mistaken, the teleport-attacks in BFG were more of a catch-all phrase for very short-ranged attacks, including the usage of non-dedicated assault crafts like planetary shuttles and the like. (Semi-Edit: Teleports attacks are a subcategory of the Hit&Run Attack rules. That they are called that for all ships might be for sake of simplicity).
While that relies of a statement by the designer i read in some White Dwarf, it is supported by the rules for Rogue Trader - where you can do something very similar to teleport attacks with shuttles etc. which can be done way better with a teleporter. This is simply not represented in such detail in BFG for the sake of simplicity.

While i have no knowledge about the particularies of the second edition, i have not yet seen a single description of teleportation in any later editions or stories that does not use the warp (necrons aside).

[Lonestar]

Some teleporters are warp based othres not. The Warped based ones seem to be the ones most often used by the Space Marines (other types seem more like ST type transporters, although they largely stem from sources like BFG). Most teleporters like that do travel though the warp a short distance, although from what I recall the dangers implicit in that (As well as strain on the body) mean that generally only Astartes can safely risk that, and then again that requires using Terminator troops (meaining the VEterans.) And then you often need a teleport beacon (Accuracy does appear to matter) to ensure accuracy.

Inquistor Vail used teleporters, well, if not routinely then routine enough, and she didn't seem to suffer any warp-related effects. In fact her teleporter seemed ot be some kinda supertech that beamed her out of harms way immediately.

[Oskuro]

I'm wondering, maybe the same engines that allow for Warp travel can also open small conduits to be used for teleportation?

[NecronLord]

I never heard of non-warp teleportation, other than Necron technology. Everything else uses the warp or webway in one way or the other, as far as i know.

In second ed, necron gauss weapons were thought by the Imperium to operate on the "gauss teleporter principle" by breaking the target down atom by atom. They at least have a theoretical knowledge of such a thing.