Temjin wrote:I much prefer the idea of doing low sec roams until the corp as a whole get good enough that our ships no longer consistantly explode when we take them into pvp.
Actually, stay the fuck away from low-sec until you get semi-proficient at PvP and get a good understanding of how the game's aggro mechanics work. Low-Sec is actually more dangerous to new pilots than 0.0 is most times. Your best bet is to find a 0.0 alliance that's looking for a new corp or simply break up your existing corp and join one in a 0.0 alliance if you want to learn PvP-fu.
^wise lessons from The Coffster there. 0-0 is, depending on what your doing, almost as safe as empire at times. Unless you find a Lo-sec system off the trodden path, you'll be fecked six ways from sunday.
As for me, the wars thankfully nearly over, so I can start missioning again, but I did, sadly, flip a coin as to wheather to head to 0-0 with the corp, and it did come back positive Just so you know, Coffee, OV is BLUE with WI
Currently working on my Gallante T2 skills, so I can access the majority of the T2 frigs, and slowly work my way up to the HACS and the like.
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Dartzap wrote:As for me, the wars thankfully nearly over, so I can start missioning again, but I did, sadly, flip a coin as to wheather to head to 0-0 with the corp, and it did come back positive Just so you know, Coffee, OV is BLUE with WI
Awesome, man. If you're ever out by L-C in Fade give me a shout.
Oh, yeah, everyone take a wild guess who I ran into in L-C who turns out to be a member of WI., is still a massive carebear, and still a totally pubbie dipshit? That's right, SDN's very own ex-user and the most clueless poster to ever shit allover G&C, Blayne! Working on getting the go-ahead from my CEO to gank his ass while he's out ratting in his carrier...
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Dartzap wrote:As for me, the wars thankfully nearly over, so I can start missioning again, but I did, sadly, flip a coin as to wheather to head to 0-0 with the corp, and it did come back positive Just so you know, Coffee, OV is BLUE with WI
Awesome, man. If you're ever out by L-C in Fade give me a shout.
Oh, yeah, everyone take a wild guess who I ran into in L-C who turns out to be a member of WI., is still a massive carebear, and still a totally pubbie dipshit? That's right, SDN's very own ex-user and the most clueless poster to ever shit allover G&C, Blayne! Working on getting the go-ahead from my CEO to gank his ass while he's out ratting in his carrier...
Damn dude. Looking to get yourself into quite a bit of trouble there.
I'll be adding you to my contacts Coffee. Hit me up in game sometime. PB is crazy these days for all kinds of red activity, and I'm probably going to do a roam sometime tomorrow.
Prannon wrote:I'll be adding you to my contacts Coffee. Hit me up in game sometime. PB is crazy these days for all kinds of red activity, and I'm probably going to do a roam sometime tomorrow.
Good deal, man. Send me a mail with what time you're gonna step off and what the rally system's gonna be and if I'm on I'll schlep a drake on over and we'll go kill people and break shit.
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Yeah man. I'm still gaining experience as an FC and I tend to fret about finding good targets to gank. Can't say that I feel entirely confident in my FC-ing abilities just yet, but hey, I've taken out some roams and haven't had my face raped badly just yet (except for that one time a long time ago where I lost my Navy Vexor...that was fun...yay...). Might see how I compare to some of the big boys, I suppose.
Prannon wrote:Yeah man. I'm still gaining experience as an FC and I tend to fret about finding good targets to gank.
When in doubt, go on down to cloud ring and shoot ze Germans.
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Prannon wrote:Yeah man. I'm still gaining experience as an FC and I tend to fret about finding good targets to gank.
When in doubt, go on down to cloud ring and shoot ze Germans.
Ze Germans...lol! We went down there just last night and my fleet had a bit of fun. Nearly got a couple of carebears in an anomaly and we actually had a bait domi warp to us on a gate, light a cyno, and drop a thanatos and a bunch of other shit on us. We lost some ships, but it was exciting to say the least. We had to run through them to get back home again and then I'd gotten word that there were some neuts from Venal or something like that fuckin' around with Wayfarer Stellar Initiative in Fade, so we went in, sandwiched them, and got a couple of Cane kills. I'm not complaining.
Still carebearing in high-sec in a Drake (awesome ship but boring to fly) with a RL friend and a small corp while watching my skill list ever so slowly improve (tech II heavy missiles on the way! ...In 14 days. GAH!). Tired of getting war-deced by far more experienced corporations; our oldest character is like 6 months old.
I like most of the guys in this corp, but I'm seriously tempted to drop into an NPC corp until I get my skills up, just out of frustration with the griefer war-decs. At least Drakes aren't terribly expensive and are piss-easy to tank; once I get tech II launchers I'll be completely tech II aside from rigs. I've gotten access to level 4 missions with 2 corporations, so money-making isn't terribly difficult.
Heh, reminds me of an MH suicide BC roam we went out on. Ended up making it back to highsec (mostly) alive after taking...what was it, Coffee, fifty-odd jumps through red space? Only time anyone showed up to fight was when we buzzed an IT station, shot it up a bit, and a supercap-killing fleet that happened to be in the area showed up. We were a suicide roam, but not even we were crazy enough to stand around while carriers and supercarriers started undocking. Even less so when we got to our exit system and about ten hictors started hot-dropping titans all over us.
You haven't lived til you've checked your rearview mirror to see how far away the bubblers are and seen an Erebus warming up a doomsday on someone instead. THAT got the adrenalin pumping.
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Due to the losses that were inflicted on us during this recent war, another griefer corp has caught the scent of blood in the air and decced us, starting tomorrow. The only reasonable conclusion to this situation, was jump in a pimped out Atron, zoom through 16 gates, and find the Alliance system in Syndicate. so far so good, now to find that clone station and JC back to get my BC's sent down via carrier.... looks like a nice system as well - big rats on one side, Anomalies on the other.... and a few allies to boot!
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White Haven wrote:Heh, reminds me of an MH suicide BC roam we went out on. Ended up making it back to highsec (mostly) alive after taking...what was it, Coffee, fifty-odd jumps through red space?
Something like 50-60 jumps. We ended up clear down in Querilous.
White Haven wrote:You haven't lived til you've checked your rearview mirror to see how far away the bubblers are and seen an Erebus warming up a doomsday on someone instead. THAT got the adrenalin pumping.
Couple of carriers, supercarriers, damned near a dozen hictors, and two erebuses (Erebii? Fuckin' Latin correspondence course).
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The new character creator is currently on the test server... there is still a lot of work to do with it and not all the functionallity works but I've been playing around creating a caldari deteis;
Yeah I'm looking forward to the new character creator, and the fact CCP is going to allow (require) everyone to redo their character images. I may be able to get a Gallente that doesn't look completely effeminate or like he's escaped from a rave.
Since the thread's been bumped anyway, I'm going take the opportunity to ask about null sec corporations. Friend of mine is making noises about the two of us duoing in low sec for higher income, while I am arguing that we're better off moving to null sec and joining a decent corp/alliance because two guys in low sec (one of whom doesn't see the point of putting guns in perfectly good high slots that could be filled with tractors, salvagers and remote reppers) are going to be utterly destroyed by the low sec corps in a populated system.
So, looking for advice on good corps/alliances in null sec. We're both noobs. I've got a Gallente combat pilot (mostly drones, some gunnery skills, flying a Dominix) and a Caldari combat pilot (missiles, flying a Drake but heading towards a Raven). I'm planning on dropping or retraining one of the two characters at some point; in a lot of respects I prefer the Gallente pilot for the massive flexibility of a drone boat. I wish there was a Gallente/Minmatar hybrid BS with bonuses to drones and projectile weapons. My friend has a Minmatar character he's concentrating on astrometrics and industry with; his shooting skills are almost nonexistent. He is getting logistics/drone skills to support me while he salvages my missions, and is planning to train for a real logistics boat eventually. No PvP experience unless you count getting warp-scrammed, jammed, and blown up while mission running during a war dec (aka death by stupidity). I'll probably be getting into PvP eventually but it won't be until I've gotten my skills up a bit more and have better (steady) income so it's not as painful to lose ships. Due to only having 4.2mil or less skill points on each character, I'm very tightly focused on the "bare necessities" of running a level 4 mission ship.
Neither of us is going to be completely focused on PvP, but both of us intend to be able to PvP and contribute effectively (in different ways) within the next 3-6 months.
Well, I can't speak for any nullsec corps personally, but there are ones who will take on relative nubs. You're absolutely right not to go out to lowsec as a two man corp with your friend. If you can't fight in lowsec, you'll go broke and die, not necessarily in that order. Null is much safer for carebearing.
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Jaev, you best bet is to shop around the Northern Coalition alliances if you're new and want to get into 0.0 to learn whatever it is you want to do. Try hitting up Mostly Harmless first, some of their corps will seriosuly take in anyone off the street. Stay the hell away from EVE University if you ever want to be any good at PvP, most of Band of Brothers IT Allainces are elitist tools that still believe they're elite PvP'res, Evoke are Nazis, and Goons as hilarious when they spam local still (TEST Alliance is like Diet Goons, just one calorie and total shit-posting morons).
Welcome to EVE and if ya got any questions just askin here (I'm taking a short break from EVE so I don't get bored).
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I'm Jaevric's friend from Eve and general forum lurker, and I want to clarify a few things.
Jaevric was absolutely right in that I hate the pew-pew part of Eve combat, however, I enjoy support/logistics and the Ewar part of things. Additionally I really enjoy many other aspects of Eve online. Astrometrics is really fun, and I can make upwards of 20mil isk per hour without needing to fire a single shot, though I usually only make around 4-5 mil per hour.
For PvE I would love to fly a logistics ship of some sort. I'm actually considering training to be able to adequately fly and operate both a Scimitar and an Oneiros to cover both Shield and Armor repping.
For PvP (read: The far distant future) I could totally see myself flying an Interdictor. It seems like my style of ship, but this is probably going to be a long term plan.
Currently I'm flying a Typhoon that would make most veterans weep. It's fitted out with 1 large remote repper (I swap out a shield or armor repper depending on who I'm supporting), 3x Heavy Nos, and 2x Tractor 2x Salvagers in the high slot. Then an AB and some Cap Rechargers in the mid, and Tank + Cargo Expanders in the lows. And finally a full set of Heavy Repair Drones and a full set of Light Scout Drones (for the frigates.) I am not a tank and am not expected to tank, however I have survivability for those odd times I get locked up by the incoming waves long enough to say "Hey, that thing is shooting at me. Should I warp out or can you kill it really fast?"
The reason I'm flying this Typhoon is because it was the easiest "cheap" ship I could get into which could handle a full 125MB bandwith of Heavy Rep Drones. I did the math, and they repair about the same amount of hps per second as a large remote repper but without the cap use (assuming all skills are equally trained.) Additionally this ship has a lot of high slots for salvaging, and a ton of cargo space because of the multiple low slots and Cargo Expanders.
I'm relatively new, so I'm starved for skill points, and not quite sure which ship to get into next for PvE mission support. I'm thinking of training Gallente Battleships and Heavy Attack Drones for when Jaevric doesn't need repping, and aid in the DPS. This way I can DPS without stopping my salvaging. Additionally I'm considering getting into an Exequror for the bonus to armor repping so long as Jaevric stays on his armor tank character. I guess if he went back to his shield rep character I could always train for an Osprey, though. I don't like either of these ships because they only have 4 high slots, and I don't think that I could do a whole lot of salvaging and logistical support in the same ship. Hence why I like the Typhoon and/or Dominix so much.
Again, I'm really new, so I don't have many skill points yet, additionally I simply don't have the knowledge of what what is available to me other than a few "OMG AWESOME!" ships far in the future. Any advice on which ship to target next for my goal will be welcomed. (And I will be getting a Noctis when it comes out.)
As far as my plans for what I'm focusing in, I plan to go down the Mining route, and Salvaging route. My current mid-length goals are to:
A) Get into a Retriever and eventually a Covetor (then Exhumers.)
B) Train up to (and train up) Scrapmetal Processing.
And before you yell at me about mining in high sec, I plan to do it half-afk. Mine with my headphones on while doing homework. Additionally due to real life logistics, Jaevric and I can't always be online at the same time. I find Mining to be a relaxing way to generate almost-passive-income. Even if it's tiny, it's more than ship spinning in port.
Long term plans include going down the manufacturing line. I may make some of the mfg lines short term to make some ships for cheap. (If I remember right, the Ishtar that is rather cheap if you buy a quality BPC and make it rather than simply buying the completed project.) I've discovered that it's cheaper to make your own ammo, but to make and sell anything that only requires Industrial I-III just isn't worth your time. It's slightly more profitable to simply sell the minerals, and requires fewer clicks. Hence the desire to go towards Scrapmetal Processing rather than straight Manufacturing for the moment.
Thoughts and opinions are welcome.
P.S. Low sec is pretty much off the table for now. Neither of us are anything close to ready for PvP at the moment.
P.P.S. I have about a dozen other things I could talk about, but this post is long enough as it is so I'm stopping here. I love how even though I hate the combat of Eve, Eve has still enveloped me by giving me many many things to do other than combat.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to properly fit a Typhoon, so I can't help you much there. Going down the logistics route will actually make you quite popular in PVP fleets (there's never enough logistics). As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Domis are very versatile drone platforms; consider training for ECM drones, as they give you another combat option.
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Scimitars and Oneiroses (Oneiri?) are angled towards small gangs. You'll be super-popular for them, but less so for moderate to large to 'the server cried uncle' fleets than Basilisks and Guardians. Logi ships are interesting in that each of the four actually fills its assigned niche really well, rather than one or more being overshadowed by The Right Ship To Fly. As for your 'phoon, I recommend parking it for the forseeable future while you hop into a Hurricane instead. Battleships are pretty relentlessly shitty ships across the board UNTIL you've got a bunch of skills to really make them sit up and dance; until then the second-tier battlecruisers generally match or exceed their performance at a fraction of the cost.
Also, astrometics. *fistpound* Rock on.
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RedImperator wrote:I have no idea how to properly fit a Typhoon
White Haven wrote:I recommend ... [that] you hop into a Hurricane.
I don't think I emphasized how much I hate pew-pew combat in Eve. I have no interest in a properly fitted pew-pew combat ship at the moment.
I have over 2,300,000 skill points, and only about 13,000 pew-pew skill points. I'll help out the DPS with drones, but I'm not remotely interested in shooting things.
I'm using an improperly fitted Typhoon because A) It has lots of high slots and decent storage for Salvaging B) It can use a full 125MB of bandwidth of drones and C) It has a lot of Cap so I can use a large remote repper for quite a long time.
I understand Battleships are terrible unless you have skills, but for my needs, I think that they're the best ship available to me. However, I am very open to the possibility that I am totally wrong and need to put myself inside something else for the time being.
Like Red and White said, flying logistics boats will make you really popular guy and a lot of alliance either have some good ship replacement programs or even corp/alliance issue for logistics as incentive for people to fly what's essentially an entire ship class that has "Hey, shoot me first" painted on the side of them. Biggest downside to flying logistics is it require a lot of coordination with the other logistics pilot in your fleet and you gotta watch you overview and fleet history like a fucking hawk so you know who's trying to shoot you and who's screaming for reps/cap.
Also, make sure to add whoever the other logistics pilots in fleet to your watch list so you can set up cap transfer chains rapidl as soon as you land on or jump through gates. Setting up cap chains between the logistics ships is critical as they generally cap out pretty fast with out it. With cap transfer chains going you can make them cap stable with four larger reppers cycling. Cap trans is also great for keeping the guns on cap hungry DPS battleships up and firing.
To me, the best logistics for pure repping and cap transfer ability either the Guardian for armor or Basilisk for shields and they both give some damned nice range bonuses to cap transfers and reppers.
Also, if you end up flying scimitar, remember that's a "c" there and not a goddamned "k". I swear to fucking Christ it's fucking annoying how some people insist on saying "skim-it-arr" on voice comms (Fuck, most of the announcers for the last alliance tournament said it like that). Seriously, don't be "That Guy". If you can't even say the name right then you probably shouldn't be flying one.
P.S. If you don't have logistics to at least four then you aren't ready to fly one and will just end up pissing away a T2 cruiser+rigs and fittings if you try. Ideally train that shit to Logi 5,it takes a long as time, but it's completely worth it.
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If you only have 2.3m skill points, you should park the 'phoon because you're one ill-timed lag monster or bad decision from losing it. It's not even about pew-pews; it's tanking. I've seen how battleships tank in L4 missions when the pilot doesn't have good skills, and it's not good. All you need to do is get unlucky with aggro and a couple scramming frigates, and your partner may not be able to bail you out before the rat battleships pound you into scrap.
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963 X-Ray Blues
RedImperator wrote:If you only have 2.3m skill points, you should park the 'phoon because you're one ill-timed lag monster or bad decision from losing it. It's not even about pew-pews; it's tanking. I've seen how battleships tank in L4 missions when the pilot doesn't have good skills, and it's not good. All you need to do is get unlucky with aggro and a couple scramming frigates, and your partner may not be able to bail you out before the rat battleships pound you into scrap.
Yeah, he's already lost a Stabber that way on a level 3. Cut-Throat Competition, a half-dozen BCs warped in right on top of him and ganked him in the time it took him to align and warp out in a little dinky Minmatar cruiser. No scramming required. Fortunately a Stabber's a hell of a lot less of an investment than a Typhoon.
I think we're running into the hard limits on what we can do without sinking a few more months of training into the characters; I have access to level 4s with 3 different corps, but my Caldari character's Drake doesn't have the DPS to kill some of the rats, and my Gallente character's Dominix just doesn't kill them terribly quickly. Tank isn't an issue (for me), both ships are completely T2 tanked, and the Drake has T2 HMLs (was planning on heading towards a Tengu rather than a Raven so T2 HMLs were a good idea at the time). Now that I'm a bit more confident in my ship-handling skills (and since neither ship requires a lot of micromanagement) I may start dual-boxing missions. I'd like to start training towards an Ishtar/Proteus on the Gallente character (for plexing and missions) but T2 sentry drones may be a better choice for missions.
Prannon -- thanks for the info. Frankly, 5mil skill points before heading into null sec sounds completely reasonable; one of my peeves on the prior player corp we joined was that their recruitment standards were "Can you successfully log into EVE? Awesome, you're in!" I started seriously losing confidence in the corp when someone literally typed "PANIC PANIC PANIC HELP HELP HELP" in corp because he managed to eject from his ship in space while doing something and couldn't figure out how to get back in.
RedImperator wrote:If you only have 2.3m skill points, you should park the 'phoon because you're one ill-timed lag monster or bad decision from losing it.
Hey, don't look at me. I'm a low-volume trader, not a pirate.
Jaevric wrote:Prannon -- thanks for the info. Frankly, 5mil skill points before heading into null sec sounds completely reasonable.
That sounds like an incredibly low hurdle for a noob; I have a bit over eleven million skill points after eight months of play, and I still don't stand a rat's chance in a cat farm as anything other than screaming across high-sec in a Bestower trying to scrape together a living selling ammo to people who would just as soon use it on me as anybody. Which is why I haven't bothered to sign up for a corp; I kinda figured anyone who would have me is just going to get me broke and killed, and anyone who wouldn't get me broke and killed would laugh at my performance.
Note: I'm semi-retired from the board, so if you need something, please be patient.
Other than elite high-end combat corps, I've never seen a corp that has more than a 10m skill point minimum to join. "I've got 11m skill points, I don't cause drama, and I'm not a fucking idiot" should get you into any number of decent corps. Shit, I only had about 12m on my primary before I stepped away, and it was pretty haphazardly allocated, and my skills weren't an obstacle in combat (my shiphandling was another matter, but only practice improves that).
Jaevric: Dual-boxing sounds pretty viable, especially if you have logistics support. The Drake is such an easy boat to handle, and with heavy drone support from the Domi (also an easy boat), you should be able to grind through L4s until you're ready to invest in a Raven.
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963 X-Ray Blues
Just so you know, Coffee, OV is BLUE with WI 
