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Latest gay conservative megachurch scandal.

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Mostly news because for once it's resulted in a civil lawsuit over abuse allegations:

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Editor's note: CNN's John Blake first covered Bishop Eddie Long as a religion reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

As Bishop Eddie Long poked through a salad in his church office one summer day in 1999, he shot a weary look at a person ticking off his ministry's successes.

His Atlanta megachurch had already reached 25,000 members. He had been invited to the White House, built a global television ministry and drove around town in a $350,000 Bentley.

But Long told the visitor who had come to write about him that the pressures of being a high-profile pastor could be brutal.

"You don't want any of this," he said in a raspy baritone as he shook his head. "You don't want any of this ..."

Long didn't get more specific about those pressures.

Today, the 57-year-old minister, known for his public crusades against homosexuality, faces serious allegations.

On Tuesday, two young men who were members of Long's New Birth Missionary Baptist Church filed lawsuits claiming he used his position as their spiritual counselor to coerce them into sexual relationships.

See PDF of lawsuit filed by Maurice Robinson

The men -- Anthony Flagg, 21, and Maurice Robinson, 20 -- allege Long used a private spiritual ceremony to mark a "covenant" between them, with both becoming his "spiritual son."

See PDF of lawsuit filed by Anthony Flagg

Flagg alleges that Long then used that relationship to take him on overnight trips where they shared a bedroom and engaged in kissing, masturbation and "oral sexual contact."
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Robinson, who claimed Long engaged in oral sex with him, said the pastor would cite scripture to justify their relationship.

"We categorically deny the allegations," Art Franklin, Long's spokesman, said in a written statement. "It is very unfortunate that someone has taken this course of action."

Franklin said "our law firm will be able to respond once attorneys have had an opportunity to review the lawsuit."

The young men's lawyer, Brenda Joy (B.J.) Bernstein, would not make them available for comment.

Long's crusades against homosexuality

The allegations against Long run contrary to his public image.

He is a celebrity preacher in the black church world and a star in the evangelical world as well. His church is one of the largest in the country.

In the pulpit, Long seamlessly blends muscle and ministry.

He wears tight shirts that display his weight-lifter arms. He writes books such as "Gladiator, the Strength of a Man," that teaches men how to be warriors for God. He says he has a special calling to reach out to men.
We categorically deny the allegations.
--Art Franklin, spokesman for Bishop Eddie Long

He's a married man who preaches about the sanctity of the union between a man and a woman. He denounces homosexuality. In 2004, he led a march in Atlanta against gay marriage. He once declared that his church had created a ministry that "delivered" people from homosexuality.

His public statements about gays and lesbians have helped reinforce homophobia in the black church, says Shayne Lee, a sociologist and author of "Holy Mavericks: Evangelical Innovators and the Spiritual Marketplace."

"The homophobic atmosphere he helped perpetuate," Lee said, could "come back to possibly harm him."

Long's controversial ministry

Long has been the center of public controversy before.

In 2005, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported that a charity Long created to help the poor and spread the Gospel had made him its biggest beneficiary.

An examination of the nonprofit's tax returns and other documents revealed that the charity provided him with at least a million dollars in salary over four years, and the use of a $1.4 million home and the $350,000 Bentley.

A frequent critic of black preachers (he once said they "major in storefront churches"), Long responded by saying he was a CEO of a global business who deserved his lifestyle.
The homophobic atmosphere he helped create could come back to possibly harm him.
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"You've got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that's supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering," Long said, explaining the compensation he received from his charity.

In 2007, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, of the Senate Finance Committee, sent a letter to Long asking detailed questions about his financial operations. Long was one of six televangelists who Grassley targeted.

After an initial flurry of publicity following Grassley's request, the investigation appeared to peter out.

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In recent years, Long seemed to become more humble, says Rev. Tim McDonald, senior pastor of First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta.

In private talks, McDonald said, Long told him about the pressures of leading a megachurch. He said he no longer had as many close friendships and yearned to return to the more intimate relationships that McDonald seemed to have with his much smaller congregation.

"He said, 'Tim, I may have the numbers, but you have the love,' '' McDonald said.

God's 'scarred leader'

For all his outward confidence, Long also displayed a vulnerable side.

He built an intimate bond with many members of his church by talking about his private failings: his divorce from his first wife; being rejected by his father; and being fired from a job in corporate America.

He called himself God's "scarred leader."

He also became known for his generosity. He would give out cars and money to strangers at church services. He built ministries to help the poor, AIDS patients and young people.

He talked proudly about his ability to reach young men. He called himself a "spiritual daddy" to many of the young men he mentored at New Birth.

He would pay the college tuition for some men, give business suits to others and play basketball and lift weights with his male ministers.

Once, he even boasted to the Journal Constitution that some mothers at New Birth trusted him enough to bring their wayward teenage boys to him for paddling.

"When I say bend over, even on Sunday, they bend over," he said, referring to the boys he paddled. "Why? Because they respect me. Because I first died for them..."

The two men who filed suit against Long, though, said he used their relationships to instruct them, as "spiritual sons," to follow their "master."

They also say Long enticed them "with cars, clothes, jewelry, and electronics." Robinson says the pastor paid for his college tuition.

In Flagg's suit, he claimed that when some young men found girlfriends, Long would attempt to block those relationships by "increased contact and spiritual talk" about "the covenant between the Spiritual Son and himself."

In addition to Long, the lawsuits name as defendants his church and a youth academy where Long was pastor and mentor. Both suits seek unspecified punitive damages on counts ranging from negligence to breach of fiduciary duty.

Lee, the Tulane sociologist who has written about Long, says he expects him to mount a fierce counterattack.

"He'll demonize the accusers," Lee said, "and couch it in terms of how the enemy Satan is trying to hurt the ministry."

Don't you just love it? 25,000 parishoners, and a 350,000 USD Bentley. Such a craptastic taste in cars. This guy is about as poster-child for the megachurch "God wants you to be rich" movement as someone can be, and naturally was virulently homophobic. What's nice is that he may be held accountable, as he may well have done something you can at least be sued over. And of course he helped promote and perpetuate the idea of a deeply homophobic African American culture in addition to his regular religious homophobia. Nice to see him humbled, especially with the prospect of real consequences, though all these fools he's led along a silver-tongued path will not, of course, get back the money they gave him for his Bentley.
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This reads like a parody of a gay pastor
He talked proudly about his ability to reach young men. He called himself a "spiritual daddy" to many of the young men he mentored at New Birth.

He would pay the college tuition for some men, give business suits to others and play basketball and lift weights with his male ministers.

Once, he even boasted to the Journal Constitution that some mothers at New Birth trusted him enough to bring their wayward teenage boys to him for paddling.

"When I say bend over, even on Sunday, they bend over,"
he said, referring to the boys he paddled. "Why? Because they respect me. Because I first died for them..."

The two men who filed suit against Long, though, said he used their relationships to instruct them, as "spiritual sons," to follow their "master."
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Man, why is it that it's christianity that gets all the awesome sexual "scandals"?
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:lol:

Man, why is it that it's christianity that gets all the awesome sexual "scandals"?
Perhaps because other religions are not as obsessive about the subject and thus actually allow healthy sexual attitudes to develop.
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Zixinus wrote:
:lol:

Man, why is it that it's christianity that gets all the awesome sexual "scandals"?
Perhaps because other religions are not as obsessive about the subject and thus actually allow healthy sexual attitudes to develop.
Islam and women? Hindus and wives?
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There's a difference between 'healthy sexual attitudes' and 'healthy attitudes towards women'.
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He wears tight shirts that display his weight-lifter arms. He writes books such as "Gladiator, the Strength of a Man," that teaches men how to be warriors for God. He says he has a special calling to reach out to men.
A Christian pastor exhorting his flock to follow the example of pagan professional ceremonial fighters-to-the-death?

The title is suggestive, anyway...

Timmy, do you like...gladiator movies?

A frequent critic of black preachers (he once said they "major in storefront churches"), Long responded by saying he was a CEO of a global business who deserved his lifestyle.
Because after all those were Christ's instructions to his disciples - Go ye now and be global business CEOs who deserve their lifestyles...
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The Duchess wrote:though all these fools he's led along a silver-tongued path will not, of course, get back the money they gave him for his Bentley.
They shouldn't get back any of their money. They handed it over voluntarily to finance his malignant little carny show. Fuck them.

He's their spiritual 'shepherd?' Fine. Sheep are there to be fleeced.
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Does it strike anyone else as odd that an employee can be paid a million dollar salary and the employer still seriously be called "non-profit?"

US tax exemption needs an overhaul, I guess.
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Not odd, really. The degree to which the organization itself is for- or not-for profit isn't relevant to what its employees are paid. The fact that it's a church makes it not only not-odd, but downright expected.
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Jaepheth wrote:Does it strike anyone else as odd that an employee can be paid a million dollar salary and the employer still seriously be called "non-profit?"

US tax exemption needs an overhaul, I guess.
I think part of the problem is the misconception of what a nonprofit really is. Most people don't tend to think of the NFL as nonprofit after all.
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Zed wrote:There's a difference between 'healthy sexual attitudes' and 'healthy attitudes towards women'.
Technically yes, but they are, more or less, mutually exclusive. If one views women as property or as inferior to men, then consent is diminished and child sexual abuse becomes more prevalent (marital rape is legal in many states with Muslim majorites, and it was only outlawed in India in 2006, while marriages of adult men to young girls was legal in many places until relatively recently). There is also the matter that many Islamic countries require ridiculous amounts of witnesses to establish as evidence that a rape occurred.

Anyway, I imagine that most of us in the West don't hear about gay sex scandals among Hindu or Muslim holy men because we aren't in areas where they're prominent and don't go looking for them.
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Well the tone of the piece has something to do with it, but by god this sounds like an excreable man.

"You've got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that's supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering." Really?
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This is the guy they want to use to win over "young people?" Are they completely daft? I'd rather vote for a pile of shit than a Jesus freak social regressive.
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Mothers brought their TEENAGED sons to him to be paddled? And nobody saw this shit coming?

"Ah, yes, bring Craig into here for his two o'clock ass whipping. Don't worry, the gag ball is for spiritual purposes, to keep the spirit of Satan from escaping until it's punished. No, the assless chaps are holy vestments. And don't worry, we always use a riding crop, it's standard Church doctrine."
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A religion that fetishizes being a good sheep elicits sheeplike behavior on the part of congregants who want to please their shepherd. And, had you confronted one of those mothers at the time I expect that she would have scolded you for having had such terrible thoughts about a wonderful man of God just doing the Lord's work.
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Amusingly, the website for this organization is showing "Service Unavailable."
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