Zinegata wrote:Formless->
And last I checked, people who believe in God in a modern society are allowed to believe in the theory of Evolution too.
Frankly, calling someone as practicing idolatry because they believe in Evolution is called a dick move. It's an insult to every Monotheist who believes and defends the theory of evolution.
Its not that she's defending evolution-- its that she's trying to act like its a moral authority. Something that, last I checked (you know, from that time in my life when I was a christian?) was considered the domain of God by christians.
That, for the context illiterate, is what I mean. Frankly, I don't care if
you think its a dick move to point out an inconsistency in someone's stated belief system and what they actual argue in practice.
Belief in God does not make someone stupid. It's time you fucking grow up and realize that the term "religious extremist" exists not because of religion, but there really are small sects of stupid people who try to deny thngs like science and evolution which even their fellow Christians deem extremist.
Where did I try to paint all religious people as extremists? I don't care if you don't like it, they are chrisitans/religious people and they
do in fact cause harm in part because of their religion. Distance yourself from them all you like, it doesn't effect anything I said-- unless you think I was trying to paint
all religious people as extremists, which is a strawman.
Maj has a point. Religion does not necessarily make people do bad things.
When did I say it necessarily did? All I've claimed is that it can, has, and will continue to cause harm in multiple forms, and I've given multiple lines of evidence to show that this is true. You are just sticking your fingers in your ears and acting self righteous about it.
They may use it to justify doing bad things, but even rational science can twisted and used to justify commiting evil acts too.
Name one time it has.
To say that every religious person is an intolerant, book-burning extremist, is to also say that every person who believes in evolution believes in eugenics and genocide.
For someone who claims I need to grow up, you seem to do a lot of putting words into my mouth.
And quite frankly, you're certainly using science to bad-mouth a person who you don't know, so all you're showing is that whatever you "worship" - science or religion - doesn't save you from intolerance or stupidity.
Stop with spreading the hate. Your statements are just as intolerant as the religious extremists. Intolerance is intolerance, no matter how you justify it.
If I got a dollar every time I saw a christian try to paint an atheist as intolerant based on absolutely not justification whatsoever or pull the "help help I'm being oppressed" card in retaliation for someone calling out the crimes of their religion, I would be a rich man indeed.
Seriously, cram it up your ass. As an atheist, I am part of a minority in a country where said minority is often discriminated against. You aren't. I cannot even tell some of the people I know that I am an atheist-- some of them are in my extended family for fucks sake. Do you have this problem? Do you? You do not get to tell
me what its like to be hated, shiteater. You don't fucking know what its like.
That's a really, really far stretch. Mein Kampf is really just a book looking for scapegoats for the real issue - Germany's defeat during the First World War. The agony of several million dead German boys who died in the trenches sowed the seeds of hatred that made Mein Kampf fly - not its allegedly religious aspects.
Its not so much of a stretch when you realize that he did
exactly what he said he was going to do when he got the political power to do so. Sorry if your apologism doesn't impress me.
Uh, no.
They were organized by the Catholic Church, but the military muscle was ultimately provided by men who just wanted loot and fame, not a place in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Religion played a role, but wealth, riches, and prestige did too.
How many times does it need to be pointed out that this is a red herring? That religion played a role
at all is all I need to prove in order to say that it can or has caused harm in the past. You aren't denying this.
Except it's actually more of a national institution as opposed to being a Church institution. Countries like Spain devoted great support towards the Inquisition, but other nations (i.e. France) did not.
And these Inquisitions, frankly, seem to be strongest in countries with a record of religious minorities (i.e. Muslims and Jews in Spain), whose elimination would serve state interests.
So again, is it really religion driving this, or realtpolitik?
And national governments can't act out of a religious belief now?
Oh, and I see you ignore the obvious implications of your own facts. That the Inquisitions were stronger in areas where there were large religious minorities actually
strengthens my argument, because it indicates religious intolerance as a factor in motivating the inquisition! Why do you think it was in the state's interest in the first place?
A world where 99% of people who worship religion aren't actually violent psycopaths who wake up and say "I will kill people in the name of God".
1) Pulling a statistic out of your ass on the spot proves nothing.
2) I and others have given other examples of how religion can be harmful
without having to invoke fanaticism. Furthermore, most of this discussion
isn't about religion, its about superstition, you illiterate moron.
3) Even to the extent that's true, its only because most of those people don't actually know what their religion preaches, or have come up with rationals over time for taking less backward interpretations of their religion's teachings. That, and most people on this earth aren't actually mono-theists of the Abrahamic variety. In fact, well over half aren't. In fact, a good chunk of the earth is made up of Bhuddists, Hindus, and assorted other faiths with their own, less harmful beliefs (though I still wouldn't want to live under the Hindu Cast system, that's for damn sure). Tell me again, which one of your pantheons is it I'm supposed to believe in?
All you have proven here is your own ineptitude.
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