From where is this(40k related)

[IvanTih]

I hear about one Cairn-class defeating so I wonder from where is that piece of fluff?
Also why does everyone say that Sol system has been moved(it's placed wrong on maps and other argue that since Castigator warp jumped entire planet why couldn't they warp jump a star system,but remember that was a Chaos possed titan and anything can be possibe with warp).

[IvanTih]

I did a typo on the Cairn part.
It should say "ten Retributions".

[NecronLord]

I hear about one Cairn-class defeating so I wonder from where is that piece of fluff?

Fanwank

Also why does everyone say that Sol system has been moved

Fanwank

[IvanTih]

I hear about one Cairn-class defeating so I wonder from where is that piece of fluff?

Fanwank

Also why does everyone say that Sol system has been moved

Fanwank

Thanks.

[Serafina]

Actually, the solar system HAS moved. Not BEEN moved, mind you - but we rotate along with the rest of the galaxy, so technically the solar system will be in a different position in 40K years than it is today.

That's only really relevant if we accept the theory that the Eye of Terror is fixed and not rotating alongside the Galaxy, but that's pretty much speculation and hardly relevant even if we accept it.


As for a Cairn-Battlesip beating ten Retribution-class battleships: Yes, that sounds like fanwank. As a rule of thumb, you need three IoM-battleships to beat one Necron-battleship (and generally a 3:1 superiority, at least a local one, to beat identical ships). At least with something as straight-forward as a Retribution, less so if you got specialists at hand.
The Cairn could certainly escape tough, which some could count as a victory.

[IvanTih]

Couldn't Cairn just pick-off Retributions,one by one?After all they have Inertialess Drive,stealh and if that fails hull regeneration.

[Serafina]

Couldn't Cairn just pick-off Retributions,one by one?After all they have Inertialess Drive,stealh and if that fails hull regeneration.

Not unless you hand the Retributions an idiot ball. They have good range and can cover each other pretty well (remember that space is 3D).
Also, such an engagement would not happen anyway - there would be support fleets on both sides. That further reduces the odds for Necrons, because escorts are just as nasty against their capships as they are against those of other races, while their own escorts are escort-hunters and lack dedicated anti-capship weapons such as torpedoes.

[IvanTih]

Couldn't Cairn just pick-off Retributions,one by one?After all they have Inertialess Drive,stealh and if that fails hull regeneration.

Not unless you hand the Retributions an idiot ball. They have good range and can cover each other pretty well (remember that space is 3D).
Also, such an engagement would not happen anyway - there would be support fleets on both sides. That further reduces the odds for Necrons, because escorts are just as nasty against their capships as they are against those of other races, while their own escorts are escort-hunters and lack dedicated anti-capship weapons such as torpedoes.

Wow,that broke my illusions about total Necron superiority in space.Can't their escort's weapon best the torpedoes in firepower?

[Black Admiral]

Quoting from the Necron fleet list for BFG, a Cairn-class tombship is "perfectly capable of defeating any Imperial battleship currently in service" (BFG 2002 annual, pg. 8; I believe the same quote's in the PDF version available on the GW website), which certainly implies that any IoM capital ship that tried fighting a Cairn-class wouldn't be walking away from it. That's about the only information on the Cairn-class I know of; while one does appear briefly in Dark Creed, there's nothing there that gives any idea of its ship-to-ship firepower.

[Serafina]

Well, we can go somewhat by the BFG Gothic-rules for a so-so comparision, which is where my 3:1 statement from above is coming from - tough that was designers intent, so it tells us that this is most likely intended to be in-universe. There are also several descriptions of battles and anti-Necron tactics that i mentioned above.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Well, we can go somewhat by the BFG Gothic-rules for a so-so comparision, which is where my 3:1 statement from above is coming from - tough that was designers intent, so it tells us that this is most likely intended to be in-universe. There are also several descriptions of battles and anti-Necron tactics that i mentioned above.

You're not somewhat going by BFG rules, you're entirely going by them. And you know that they aren't accurate because the game designers themselves stated that they had to tone down or "nerf" the Necrons from their first incarnation to balance the game more. The Necrons are too powerful to play against when they are portrayed accurately by the rules. That pretty much disqualifies your "Necron escorts suck" bullshit, since it was entirely based on game mechanics. At least one of the Ciaphas Cain novels portrays Necron escorts destroying Chaos cruisers without taking any noticeable damage, so the fluff argues against your interpretation.


The fullest fluff we have on the capabilities of Necron ships (listed in one of the BFG PDFs) is the incident where five Necron Shroud class cruisers enter the Solar system and bypass, outrun or survive all of Terra's and Mars's defenses long enough to get to Mars with one ship actually landing on Mars before it is destroyed. We're not talking about some 3:1 margin, but invading the System of Holy Terra at the heart of the Imperium. Necron ships are very impressive.

[Junghalli]

Actually, the solar system HAS moved. Not BEEN moved, mind you - but we rotate along with the rest of the galaxy, so technically the solar system will be in a different position in 40K years than it is today.

That's only really relevant if we accept the theory that the Eye of Terror is fixed and not rotating alongside the Galaxy, but that's pretty much speculation and hardly relevant even if we accept it.

It wouldn't move very significantly in those timescales though, the sun's velocity around the galactic center is less than .001 c from the estimates I've seen, so in 40K years it'll have moved less than 40 light years. That's pretty much totally insignificant on the galactic scale.

As for the Eye being fixed relative to the central black hole, I doubt that would make much of a difference unless you lived very close to it. Assuming it's a similar distance to the galactic center from Earth and the stars around it are moving at a similar speed to the sun you'll be in danger of being swallowed by it within the next thousand years if you live within 1 light year of it. The process would be so slow you'd probably have tons of time to see it coming and evacuate and could easily outrun it with relatively slow sublight ships, let alone FTL ones. As I remember it's some distance from Earth on the galactic scale so even if we're headed straight for it we wouldn't have anything to worry about for many millions of years.

Edit: you may know this anyway as you said it wasn't relevant anyway.