Xenomorphs vs Jedi/Sith

[Rye]

I remember all those times in the films where Jedi waited somewhere and didn't just jump right in?

[Sinewmire]

It wasn't from a shotgun blast, it was from Vasquez's smart gun.

Jeez didn't you guys watch the films?

Seconded.

Hudson was lightly injured by acid when Hicks shot an Alien in the mouth with his shotgun, however, indicating the acid isn't neccesarily super dangerous in small doses.

[NecronLord]

I remember all those times in the films where Jedi waited somewhere and didn't just jump right in?

There are various, including confrontations with Grievous, Palpatine, Dooku (all occasions though Anakin rushes in {and is chastised for it} first time) where they wait for the enemy to make the first move in combat.

That's a moronic comparison of course, because the Jedi are never faced with a situation where there would be benefit in standing around waiting for the enemy to come at them in the films; usually their enemy in large scale battles has guns! On this occasion, the jedi have the range advantage; suggesting that this would not change their tactics is idiotic.

[justicar5]

Much as I love the Aliens, a decent force user (and by decent not a 7 year old padawan) would destroy them, if we are talking Old Republic era (KOTOR era) then they just gun them down force lightning them into smoldering heaps, force crush them, go to town like only war veteran combat force users know how basically, Preqeuls era, they mince them with saber throws and large lumps of scenery, NJO era, mostly shoot them again, with added big rocks.

[lordofchange13]

Through out the series it has been shown that xenomorphs takeon the stregnths of there hosts would they gain force powrs if they infected a jedi or sith?

[NecronLord]

Unless they can find someone to take them on as apprentices, what would it matter?

[adam_grif]

Unless they can find someone to take them on as apprentices, what would it matter?

Captain, we're detecting anomalously large quantities of fanfic potential in this area.

Hudson was lightly injured by acid when Hicks shot an Alien in the mouth with his shotgun, however, indicating the acid isn't neccesarily super dangerous in small doses.

Could just be that it's great at eating through things like steel, but maybe not so great at eating through flesh.

... don't ask me why that would be, I have no idea.

[TheMuffinKing]

Hudson was lightly injured by acid when Hicks shot an Alien in the mouth with his shotgun, however, indicating the acid isn't neccesarily super dangerous in small doses.

Could just be that it's great at eating through things like steel, but maybe not so great at eating through flesh.

... don't ask me why that would be, I have no idea.

Perhaps it has to do with the interaction between a ferrous material such as steel having a more energetic reaction to the acid than the fleshy bits of a whiny (though self-redemptive after a fashion) Marine? Can any chemists shed some light on this?

[lordofchange13]

Unless they can find someone to take them on as apprentices, what would it matter?

Don't all the movies say they learn tactics superfast on there own?

[Ghost Rider]

Unless they can find someone to take them on as apprentices, what would it matter?

Don't all the movies say they learn tactics superfast on there own?

Tactics aren't powers. Demonstrate some proof of your assertion.

[NecronLord]

Unless they can find someone to take them on as apprentices, what would it matter?

Don't all the movies say they learn tactics superfast on there own?

Are you thinking of 'fast reflexes are a Jedi trait' and so on? Luke being an excellent pilot already for instance; certainly. But that's not terribly relevant. Xenos are already plenty fast; it won't make them telekinetic combat monsters. Luke, Leia and Anakin demonstrated no remarkable powers (telekinesis) etc before their training.

[adam_grif]

I think he's talking about learning to open doors really quick. Of course, that still doesn't really help his position given that it takes years of training from people who are actively trying to teach you things to become a Jedi.

[Darth Hoth]

Are you thinking of 'fast reflexes are a Jedi trait' and so on? Luke being an excellent pilot already for instance; certainly. But that's not terribly relevant. Xenos are already plenty fast; it won't make them telekinetic combat monsters. Luke, Leia and Anakin demonstrated no remarkable powers (telekinesis) etc before their training.

Overall this seems to hold true, but not universally. Some EU Jedi have manifested substantial psychic powers without formal training. Rain/Zannah from the Jedi vs Sith comic (and as of late, the Darth Bane novels) springs to mind: A ten-year-old girl who could throw around trained Jedi Knights like rag dolls and snap their bones apart, or blow up flesh Scanners-style.

[Korgeta]

It's not that difficult to imagine a reason why, it's even less important to do so.

What reason would that be, pray tell?

Xenomorphs are from a foreign universe, and have no midi-chlorians in their cells -- there are no midi-chlorians in their home universe.

Of course, this wouldn't grant them immunity to a Jedi using the Force to throw giant rocks at them.

Yup that is the obvious idea advantage jedi/sith will still retain. If the xenos were star wars related then sure they would have midi-chlorians, well that's the idea anyway. Regardless the focus is on close quarter combat, without use of any sensors would jedi/sith be able to sense a sneak attack by the xeno? And if a lightsaber did strike the xeno's body would it be a clean shot, or would the heat of the saber making contact with the xeno's highly acidic blood produce a more lethal result?

[Sarevok]

Both Jedi and Sith can and do wear armor. If they were up against xenomorphs they would wear shielded armor or at least a personal shield generator belt. I would like to see xenomorphs acid burn through something as intangible as a force field. Also it is highly possible even Jedi would use blasters if swarmed. They dont need to deflect return fire with their lightsabers here. It makes more sense to gun down the xenos.

[LopEaredGaloot]

In at least some of the novels, Xenomorphs are telepathic, certainly the big Queens are. Ripley confirms this.

I don't believe this hokum about 'what is and isn't within Force boundaries'.

If it binds the universe together, it's in everything and those who don't want to believe that are looking at the Jedi/Sith as demigods and feeling the rush of a deflating ego.

Which is all well and good but a better approach would be to figure out things that the Xenomorphs can do on their own without having to pull down the Jedi to their level of scream and leap wave charge as a means to let spiteful authors wag their fingers "Ha-ha, I have you now!" like a bunch of hoseheaded morons who think changing the rules makes 'anything possible'. And nothing out of reach.

Instead of changing the Jedi, why not change the circumstances of the Serpents?

Try thinking of numbers, like a tide of black killer ants flowing over everything as seen in the AvP temple scenarios. That's always been the real nightmare here because they aren't a species, the are a contagion that spreads as rapidly as plague (somehow).

Try thinking of environments we haven't seen before or ones which we have, reinterpreted (Clone troops in cryo chambers moving between planets in a hull which only has enough oxygen for the Jedi to run around in. Or where the cryosystem itself has been damaged and he must restore it).

Try thinking of Jedi turning on Jedi because the Queens 'seduced' them with the maddening call of a Darkside that these _animals_ hardly understand but use semi-sentiently like a lion's or elephant's infrasound roar. Inducing a terrifying panic wave, moving through The Force.

Instead of making the Serpents saber proof (via acid or whatever) make them _blaster proof_, at least up to very high levels, because of their refractive black exoskeletons.
'Very High Power' being inherent to a Saber which is so dense it turns back other plasma packages.

Give the Jedi some added responsibilities like protecting a fleeing refugee column. Or securing a large 'trans fusion' reactor assembly that somehow taps into the magnetic magmas of the planetary mantle like that on Naboo. "Down to 10hrs before the thing blows, I guess we'd better jump."

Finally, in games like KOTOR the Jedi never tire in the use of their powers but on Endor, it's clear that even just lifting 3PO in his chair takes a bit out of Skywalker. And requires him to trance out. If using The Force, makes you dead tired, then you can limit Jedi _like any other spell caster_ to a certain number of high-order actions per day.

Or until they reset their metabolisms by meditating (Since mitochondrials are left over invasive bacteria whose basic organelle properties enhanced the efficiency of the cells own metabolism, I always figured that a better definition that 'radio to god' was simply that they gave the Jedi the ability to SUSTAIN their connection with that higher power, as all their nervous functions were concentrated on...whatever.)

Finally, while the saber staff is one of the dumbest weapons ever created, extended length 'war blades' which allowed the Jedi to reach beyond the length of a rifle butt to the face would be interesting development for a bug hunt.

As would some kind of exotic, non-Force driven, solution to the Serpents extremely prolific reproductive rates. Something like introducing a gene through a prey or host item that made them all sterile within a couple generations. Or which shortened their (safety mechanism for a Sith wartoy? We don't really know the origins of the critters...) lifespans back to that originally intended by their creators. Think J-Park and the need for supplemental Lysene.

I can see heavy weapons platforms like walkers crunching bugs like roaches in the dark while blazing away whole companies of bugs with their main guns. I can see intermediate (AT-ST) getting full-on tackled by larger xenos, mobbed until they are toppled and then the bugs slowly ripping the vehicles to pieces as the crews fight valiantly to the last with their side mounts.

Finally, if ever there was a justification for a BDZ, even just locally around a city to force the entry team in...

And for pities sake, if there is a fight-after-the-fight scenario ala 'Aliens', at least don't make it one of stupidity. Let the ISD hangar crew delouse the damn escape ship and force the remaining xenos into a final battle as the exhausted Jedi (maybe prisoners given a final chance to die well or receive pardons?) turn to engage with nothing left and/or weapons which won't work because their power cells are within X radius of a turn-off jammer.

Bam, stormtroopers gun everything down in sight with heavy blasters and thermal detonators.

And then out steps...Surprise Guest Darth Sidious!

"Damn that Plageuis, always messing about with things he didn't understand. Oh well, good job, saving planet Xintion 3, really didn't want to lose that one you know, sole source of duranium for durasteel. Oh, yes, of course, you're all free to go." Waves his hand, the death belts around their waists drop off, turns and walks away while whispering to his grey-shirt lackey "Kill them, immediately."

And as a final shock, the guns turn on the survivors in a repeat of Order 66. Now, THERE would be a cool ending.

[Cykeisme]

It doesn't matter whether there are any midi-chlorians in the aliens or not. There are no midi-chlorians in rocks, and yet Jedi can lift them. Meanwhile, there are no midi-chlorians rocks, yet a Jedi's precognition can sense the danger of a bunch of rocks falling on his head (say, in an unstable cave or somesuch).

The same goes for using telekinesis on -and predicting danger from- battle droids

The same goes for aliens.

[IvanTih]

Jedi and Sith will only lose when they get over run from all sides.

[Kuja]

It would be awesome if a Jedi used the Force to allow himself to vomit out a chestburster from his guts.

Hell, Luke actually does something like this in Truce at Bakura when he's infested with a pair of parasitic worms gnawing their way towards his heart. He uses the Force to disctract them and lure them up until he pukes them out. Then squishes them.

[FrankManic]

Well, for one I reject the premise that Xenomorphs would be invisible to the force. I'm aware that it was established that the Vong are, for some reason, mystically different from the rocks and droids and other crap that Jedi can sense, pick up, throw around, electrocute, and I hold that that was a titanically dumb-shit bit of plot development on roughly the same level as the Charge of the Light Brigade.

So... Jedi would probably do quite well. They could sense the Xenos, which negates one a lot of the critters ambush tactics. A skilled knight could also likely keep a Xenomorph at bay with push, throw, speed, and jump. The Light-saber is a great go to weapon for hacking things up, and with good reaction speed a Jedi could probably avoid most of the acid spray. If not, well, Blasters aren't particularly elegant, but they get the job done.

And then the X factor is that a Jedi might be able to just commune with a Xenomorph and convince it to leave him alone. Depending on the depiction Aliens range from simple social predators to Lovecraftian cosmic horrors. Most depictions settle on them being very clever and intelligent predators with good learning capacity. Not on human levels, but capable of abstract thinking, tool use, and so forth, with queens being about as smart as a person and large hives being more capable than small hives. If you skip the Cosmic Horror always evil interpretation then you could write up a story where the Jedi encounters a Xenomorph hive, has a couple of running battles, then manages to commune with the Hive Queen and get her to agree to peaceably move to a planet with a lot of Banthas and no people.

Sith, of course, would just dominate the things and use Sith Alchemy to make them even more horrible before using them in a poorly planned scheme to rule the universe for no particularly immediate reason.

Vong would be inexplicably immune to the Aliens acid, face-hugger implantation, and tail. the Alien protagonist would go through a long, convoluted plot arc where it learns to understand shoving an ovipositor down someone's throat and laying eggs in their stomach in a new, insightful way, at which point they would rapidly defeat the invincible enemy and re-establish the status quo.