Was E.T. a Jedi?

[Lagmonster]

I realize it's old news that one of the Easter Eggs from the Phantom Menace include a shot of what was obviously E.T. aliens in the Senate (according to the story, they were added at Spielberg's suggestion).

So that raises the obvious question: Was the E.T. from the movie a distant descendant of the Jedi, or similar Force user? Look at the film: The most obvious thing is E.T.'s telekinesis, when he makes the bike fly. Okay, that could be the Force. Second, we have E.T.'s telepathic influence to make Elliot kiss the girl. Jedi mind trick, check. Finally, we have his healing touch. Hrm. Okay, maybe, maybe not...moving on...
Oh, okay: While trick or treating, E.T. seemed highly interested and distracted by the kid in the Yoda costume and chased after him with enthusiasm. Natch!

There you go; Ironclad speculation. I say E.T. was plausibly a Force sensitive if not outright a padawan of some sort (I wouldn't believe he was a grown up member of his species from how he acted, but could be an Anakin-like child Force user). Objections?

[Solauren]

haven't spielburg and Lucas admitted E.T was from the Star Wars Galaxy and was a Force-user?

Edit:
Wait, found it

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organi ... e/bts.html

[Lagmonster]

That link doesn't work for me; they were verified as easter eggs, but I never read an admission that E.T. itself was a Force user, although the link wouldn't be nonsense.

[Solauren]

Yeah, I noticed the weblink was dead after I couldn't edit anymore

[Havok]

Well if you look at it from a time perspective, perfectly plausible.

We don't know how long 'a long time ago' is or how far away 'a galaxy far far away' is, but I think it is safe to assume it isn't our galaxy which means that the ET species had to have the time to traverse probably more than one galaxy and colonize ours in order to get ships of that size here. How long would that take?

Assuming the Jedi Order is always trying to improve itself and given the hypothetical time line, all the abilities shown in E.T. could certainly be natural extensions of those we have seen in the Star Wars movies.

[Darksider]

IIRC the "Long time ago" bit is because technically the Movies are R2-D2 re-telling the story of the Skywalkers to someone in approximately 700 ABY. It has nothing to do with the "real" world timeline of events.

EDIT: That is the timeline of events relative to "our" galaxy.

[NecronLord]

IIRC the "Long time ago" bit is because technically the Movies are R2-D2 re-telling the story of the Skywalkers to someone in approximately 700 ABY. It has nothing to do with the "real" world timeline of events.

EDIT: That is the timeline of events relative to "our" galaxy.

The conceit it being "a long time ago" has been used now and then. Apparently when Christopher Lee asked about the actual setting, Lucas suggested it was set 'millions of years ago' and similar things. The idea behind the intro in the animated Clone Wars was that it was Republic transmissions reaching Earth after being broadcast through space from their home galaxy.

It's obviously not canonical, but as a piece of 'fun' it certainly fits.

[Cykeisme]

Solauren's link would now be here:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/organi ... index.html
Scroll down to the header "Behind the Scenes".
They may be Easter Eggs, but we can disregard that for purposes of an SoD analysis.. of course, it gets more complicated in this case.

Ironing this one out is a bit odd; it's an interesting highly subjective compound of SoD and writers' intent we're dealing with here.
Considering the aliens look exactly the same, and the two writers are friends, it's conceivable that the fictional universes of E.T. and Star Wars are one and the same even if the movies focus on events in different galaxies in that universe: one galaxy being a fictional Milky Way with a fictional version of Earth, and the other being a distant galaxy.
As Havok pointed out, the distance between the two may be great, but Star Wars has FTL technology and more importantly, the exact duration of "a long time ago" is not established, so E.T. has no solid upper limit on the time it would take his ship to get to Earth.

So, yeah, no objections on my part.

[Cykeisme]

IIRC the "Long time ago" bit is because technically the Movies are R2-D2 re-telling the story of the Skywalkers to someone in approximately 700 ABY. It has nothing to do with the "real" world timeline of events.
EDIT: That is the timeline of events relative to "our" galaxy.

Source?

[Adam Reynolds]

In the Holonet News site, there is a small reference to ET with the headline "Senator Grebleips to fund Extragalactic Survey." However this full story is unavailable. Grebleips was previously named in Cloak of Deception as the Senator for Brodo Asogi, a name given in an ET novel. I haven't heard anything on the force sensitivity of this species however, although it would fit the observed characteristics of ET.

http://www.holonetnews.com/50/news/

[Molyneux]

I realize it's old news that one of the Easter Eggs from the Phantom Menace include a shot of what was obviously E.T. aliens in the Senate (according to the story, they were added at Spielberg's suggestion).

So that raises the obvious question: Was the E.T. from the movie a distant descendant of the Jedi, or similar Force user? Look at the film: The most obvious thing is E.T.'s telekinesis, when he makes the bike fly. Okay, that could be the Force. Second, we have E.T.'s telepathic influence to make Elliot kiss the girl. Jedi mind trick, check. Finally, we have his healing touch. Hrm. Okay, maybe, maybe not...moving on...
Oh, okay: While trick or treating, E.T. seemed highly interested and distracted by the kid in the Yoda costume and chased after him with enthusiasm. Natch!

There you go; Ironclad speculation. I say E.T. was plausibly a Force sensitive if not outright a padawan of some sort (I wouldn't believe he was a grown up member of his species from how he acted, but could be an Anakin-like child Force user). Objections?

I do believe the EU has plenty of examples of Force healing, starting with that one Mon Calamari girl whose name escapes me (even if we toss out things like video games that outright let you use Force Heal).

It seems quite plausible to me.

[Adam Reynolds]

I do believe the EU has plenty of examples of Force healing, starting with that one Mon Calamari girl whose name escapes me (even if we toss out things like video games that outright let you use Force Heal).

It seems quite plausible to me.

You are thinking of Cilghal, one of Luke's original Jedi trainees. Also this was seen in the Medstar Dulogy with Barriss Offee.

Also as a bit of irony, on the page on Force Healing:

Children of the Green Planet may have all possessed this technique.

[Enigma]

In the Holonet News site, there is a small reference to ET with the headline "Senator Grebleips to fund Extragalactic Survey." However this full story is unavailable. Grebleips was previously named in Cloak of Deception as the Senator for Brodo Asogi, a name given in an ET novel. I haven't heard anything on the force sensitivity of this species however, although it would fit the observed characteristics of ET.

http://www.holonetnews.com/50/news/

I almost did a double take. Grebleips = Spielberg.

[Channel72]

If you'll recall, in E.T. we see Elliot playing with Boba Fett and Lando Calrissian toys, and I think he has a Star Wars themed blanket or something. So clearly, the Star Wars movie franchise exists in the E.T. universe. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense that E.T. himself is actually from the Star Wars universe.

[Srelex]

Not to mention the kid in the Yoda costume.

[Solauren]

Actually, that was addressed in Timetales once (Fan timeline).

Apparently, George Lucas has a copy of Luke Skywalker's Jedi Holocron.....

[Spoonist]

Ah, do you remember the RAR ugly aliens thread?

It makes perfect sense to introduce the SW universe so that when they do make "contact" we are not as likely to do what we did in ET.
So Spielberg-Grebleips is an undercover agent trying to raise the bar for fuck-ugly-alien and I think that we have a traitor from a similar project in out midst. Suortsanak.

[Darksider]

IIRC the "Long time ago" bit is because technically the Movies are R2-D2 re-telling the story of the Skywalkers to someone in approximately 700 ABY. It has nothing to do with the "real" world timeline of events.
EDIT: That is the timeline of events relative to "our" galaxy.

Source?

It's a quote from Lucas in the Making of ROTS book, and it was 104 years ABY rather than 700.

Doesn't matter though. According to wookiepedia, LFL declared it as non-canon.

[Lagmonster]

IIRC the "Long time ago" bit is because technically the Movies are R2-D2 re-telling the story of the Skywalkers to someone in approximately 700 ABY. It has nothing to do with the "real" world timeline of events.
EDIT: That is the timeline of events relative to "our" galaxy.

Source?

It's a quote from Lucas in the Making of ROTS book, and it was 104 years ABY rather than 700.

Doesn't matter though. According to wookiepedia, LFL declared it as non-canon.

Which would make sense; they wouldn't necessarily want to tie Earth to the Star Wars universe too strongly. That said, wasn't there also some reported heiroglyphs of R2-D2 and C-3PO in the Well of Souls in the first Indiana Jones movie? That's a fucking big admission of tie-in if the Egyptians were painted to have been visited by a pair of Star Wars galaxy droids.

It raises the question of how seriously we are to take Easter Eggs in these cases.

[Srelex]

Well, I think it's reasonable to dismiss such things as debating material if they raise too many questions or don't make enough sense, like the Millennium Falcon making a cameo in First Contact.

[Lagmonster]

Well, I think it's reasonable to dismiss such things as debating material if they raise too many questions or don't make enough sense, like the Millennium Falcon making a cameo in First Contact.

Or R2-D2 floating around in the new Star Trek movie. Still, the E.T. = Force User link is less unpalatable than, say, R2-D2 having contact with the Ark of the Covenant.

[Formless]

Well, I think it's reasonable to dismiss such things as debating material if they raise too many questions or don't make enough sense, like the Millennium Falcon making a cameo in First Contact.

We can always use "its just a coincidence" as an explanation, even if it seems unlikely.

[Solauren]

Well, I think it's reasonable to dismiss such things as debating material if they raise too many questions or don't make enough sense, like the Millennium Falcon making a cameo in First Contact.

We can always use "its just a coincidence" as an explanation, even if it seems unlikely.

What, you can't see some bored Star Trek historical Sci-fi fan building himself a Millennium Falcon knock off in the backyard, and then roaring to the defense of Earth in it?

I mean, if Tom Paris can do 'Captain Proton', why can't Joe Average play at 'Han Solo'.?

[Formless]

What, you can't see some bored Star Trek historical Sci-fi fan building himself a Millennium Falcon knock off in the backyard, and then roaring to the defense of Earth in it?

I mean, if Tom Paris can do 'Captain Proton', why can't Joe Average play at 'Han Solo'.?

If the Star Wars movies exist in Star Trek... *whistles* well, the war with the Empire just got that much more awkward.

Picard: Look, Vader, I've talked to our film historians...

Vader: Go on.

Picard: Well, we know your Empire is damn huge, so we'd like this to go as smoothly as possible.

Vader: Excellent.

Picard: Just between you and me though... *garglegh*

Vader: DON'T YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT MY WIFE LIKE THAT, ASSHOLE. Great, now I have to destroy earth lest they reveal any of my secrets...

[Cykeisme]

Gah, I hadn't seen E.T. in so long that I've forgotten about the action figures and Halloween costume.. that certainly throws a spanner into it.

I also wasn't aware of the R2-D2 hieroglpyh in the Well of Souls, that's awesome