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First they figure out how to use money, now they're becoming self-aware; the little buggers are evolving before our eyes!
Monkeys can recognize themselves in mirrors
Finding suggests mental divide between humans and their distant relatives is not as great as researchers have thought

For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.

The finding suggests the mental divide between humans and their distant relatives is not as great as researchers have thought.

Normally, monkeys do not recognize that the reflections they see are their own images — they often ignore mirrors or treat reflections as intruders. Only a few animals, including elephants and dolphins, apparently do possess this form of self-awareness.

Chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, can recognize their own reflections, using mirrors to inspect marks that researchers have drawn on the chimps' faces. Still, nearly all other primates fail this "mark test," leading scientists to conjecture about the "cognitive divide" between us and them.

But in a new study, rhesus macaques, a species of monkey found throughout South Asia, apparently could recognize themselves in mirrors, contradicting the results of a standard mark test.

And what did the monkeys especially like inspecting with mirrors? Their own genitals.

An accidental discovery

As part of a study into attention deficit disorder, neuroscientist Luis Populin at the University of Wisconsin and his colleagues placed electrode-loaded implants on the heads of rhesus monkeys to help record their brain activity. Animal technician Abigail Rajala then noticed that one of the macaques seemed to recognize himself in a small mirror, Populin recalled.

"I told her the scientific literature says they can't do this," Populin said, "so we decided to do a simple study."

Staring at a mirror to inspect a harmless, temporary mark drawn on its face is usually seen as a sign that an animal is aware that the mirror shows its own reflection and not that of another animal. Animals that lack self-awareness might, for example, search for the "animal" behind the mirror.

The monkeys failed this standard mark test. Still, it seems Rajala (now a doctoral student) was right. Nearly all the monkeys that had received the implant stared at mirrors as they examined and groomed their foreheads near the implant. They also turned upside down as they examined parts of their bodies they had never seen before, such as their genitals, and adjusted mirrors to get a better view of themselves.

Macaques usually interpret their reflections as intruders and adopt either aggressive or submissive poses, but the implanted monkeys did so far less often, also indicating self-awareness, Populin said. When the researchers covered the mirror with black plastic, the monkeys ignored the mirror.

Monkeys without the implants did not use the mirrors.

"We think the marks used in the standard mark test are not relevant enough for the monkey to show interest," Populin told LiveScience. "We think that the implant on their heads constitutes such a significant change — a 'super-mark' — that it motivates them to look in the mirror."

He noted that one monkey with an implant did not use the mirror. "This may simply be indicative of individual variation," Populin said. He added that not all chimps pass the mark test, either.

The discovery could help scientists further explore the mysterious, complex phenomenon we call self-awareness.

"We are interested in understanding the neural mechanisms underlying this ability," Populin said.

The scientists detailed their findings online today (Sept. 29) in the journal PLoS ONE.
Finding suggests mental divide between humans and their distant relatives is not as great as researchers have thought...And what did the monkeys especially like inspecting with mirrors? Their own genitals.
Indeed! :lol:
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But wasn't there a recent scandal involving a behavioral scientist having fucked around with his researches on animal intelligences?
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That seems to ring a distant bell now that you mention it, but I couldn't find any recent articles via a Google search.
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I feel the 'mark' test is flawed. Animals which are less stimulated by visuals and more stimualted by say smell may very well give two shits about whether they have a mark on them or not.

My dog for example, seemed to recongize that the mirror was a reflection. If he would see my reflection in the mirror, he would turn to look for me where he thinks the reflection is coming from rather than just stare at the mirror.
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ArmorPierce wrote:I feel the 'mark' test is flawed. Animals which are less stimulated by visuals and more stimualted by say smell may very well give two shits about whether they have a mark on them or not.

My dog for example, seemed to recongize that the mirror was a reflection. If he would see my reflection in the mirror, he would turn to look for me where he thinks the reflection is coming from rather than just stare at the mirror.
There's definitely something to be said for that, because I've seen the same behavior from many cats and dogs I've had growing up. They certainly never treated the mirror as anything special. Perhaps a brief twinge of surprise or curiosity when they first see their reflection, but that can happen to humans who aren't expecting to see their reflection as well.
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With apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but on the topic of monkey intelligence. This was from 2007:
Washington Post wrote: For First Time, Chimps Seen Making Weapons for Hunting
Chimpanzees living in the West African savannah have been observed fashioning deadly spears from sticks and using the tools to hunt small mammals -- the first routine production of deadly weapons ever observed in animals other than humans.

The multistep spearmaking practice, documented by researchers in Senegal who spent years gaining the chimpanzees' trust, adds credence to the idea that human forebears fashioned similar tools millions of years ago.

The landmark observation also supports the long-debated proposition that females -- the main makers and users of spears among the Senegalese chimps -- tend to be the innovators and creative problem solvers in primate culture.

Using their hands and teeth, the chimpanzees were repeatedly seen tearing the side branches off long, straight sticks, peeling back the bark and sharpening one end. Then, grasping the weapons in a "power grip," they jabbed them into tree-branch hollows where bush babies -- small, monkeylike mammals -- sleep during the day.

In one case, after repeated stabs, a chimpanzee removed the injured or dead animal and ate it, the researchers reported in yesterday's online issue of the journal Current Biology.

"It was really alarming how forceful it was," said lead researcher Jill D. Pruetz of Iowa State University, adding that it reminded her of the murderous shower scene in the Alfred Hitchcock movie "Psycho." "It was kind of scary."

The new observations are "stunning," said Craig Stanford, a primatologist and professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California. "Really fashioning a weapon to get food -- I'd say that's a first for any nonhuman animal."

Scientists have documented tool use among chimpanzees for decades, but the tools have been simple and used to extract food rather than to kill it. Some chimpanzees slide thin sticks or leaf blades into termite mounds, for example, to fish for the crawling morsels. Others crumple leaves and use them as sponges to sop drinking water from tree hollows.


But while a few chimpanzees have been observed throwing rocks -- perhaps with the goal of knocking prey unconscious, but perhaps simply as an expression of excitement -- and a few others have been known to swing simple clubs, only people have been known to craft tools expressly to hunt prey.

Pruetz and Paco Bertolani of the University of Cambridge made the observations near Kedougou in southeastern Senegal. Unlike other chimpanzee sites currently under study, which are forested, this site is mostly open savannah. That environment is very much like the one in which early humans evolved and is different enough from other sites to expect differences in chimpanzee behaviors.

Pruetz recalled the first time she saw a member of the 35-member troop trimming leaves and side branches off a branch it had broken off a tree.

"I just knew right away that she was making a tool," Pruetz said, adding that she suspected -- with some horror -- what it was for. But in that instance she was unable to follow the chimpanzee to see what she did with it. Eventually the researchers documented 22 instances of spearmaking and use, two-thirds of them involving females.


In a typical sequence, the animal first discovered a deep tree hollow suitable for bush babies, which are nocturnal and weigh about half a pound. Then the chimp would break off a branch -- on average about two feet long, but up to twice that length -- trim it, sharpen it with its teeth, and poke it repeatedly into the hollow at a rate of about one or two jabs per second.

After every few jabs, the chimpanzee would sniff or lick the branch's tip, as though testing to see if it had caught anything.

In only one of the 22 observations did a chimp get a bush baby. But that is reasonably efficient, Pruetz said, compared with standard chimpanzee hunting, which involves chasing a monkey or other prey, grabbing it by the tail and slamming its head against the ground.

In the successful bush-baby case, the chimpanzee, after using its sharpened stick, jumped on the hollow branch in the tree until it broke, exposing the limp bush baby, which the chimp then extracted. Whether the animal was dead or alive at that point was unclear, but it did not move or make any sound.

Chimpanzees are believed to offer a window on early human behavior, and many researchers have hoped that the animals -- humans' closest genetic cousins -- might reveal something about the earliest use of wooden tools.

Many suspect that the use of wooden tools far predates the use of stone tools -- remnants of which have been found dating from 2 1/2 million years ago. But because wood does not preserve well, the most ancient wooden spears ever found are only about 400,000 years old, leaving open the question of when such tools first came into use.

The discovery that some chimps today make wooden weapons supports the idea that early humans did too -- perhaps as much as 5 million years ago -- Stanford said.

Adrienne Zihlman, an anthropologist at the University of California at Santa Cruz, said the work supports other evidence that female chimps are more likely than males to use tools, are more proficient at it and are crucial to passing that cultural knowledge to others.

"Females are the teachers," Zihlman said, noting that juvenile chimps in Senegal were repeatedly seen watching their mothers make and hunt with spears.

Females "are efficient and innovative, they are problem solvers, they are curious," Zihlman said. And that makes sense, she added.

"They are pregnant or lactating or carrying a kid for most of their life," she said. "And they're supposed to be running around in the trees chasing prey?"

Frans B.M. de Waal, a primatologist at Emory University, said aggressive tool use is only the latest "uniquely human" behavior to be found to be less than unique.

"Such claims are getting old," he said. "With the present pace of discovery, they last a few decades at most."
Kinda cool in a scary sort of way. . . to think that our first weapons were probably similar. Seemed on topic to me - sorry if this is a tangent.
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They're evolving before our very eyes!!!
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