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Alleged Mumbai II plot in Europe (UPDATE: never existed)

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Intelligence officials and people familiar with an unfolding terrorist plot to target Europe tell NPR that Osama bin Laden is involved.

Several months ago, sources say, bin Laden used couriers to send a message to al-Qaida's affiliates and partners: He told them that he would like to see a Mumbai-style attack on at least three strategic targets — the United Kingdom, Germany and France.
US and European officials said Tuesday they have detected a plot to carry out a major, coordinated series of new terror attacks in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and possibly the United States…

Intelligence and law enforcement authorities in the US and Europe said the threat information is based on the interrogation of a suspected German terrorist allegedly captured on his way to Europe in late summer and now being held at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan.

US law enforcement officials say they have been told the terrorists were planning a series of “Mumbai-style” commando raids on what were termed “economic or soft” targets in the countries…
The captured German reportedly said several teams of attackers, all with European passports, had been trained and dispatched from training camps in Waziristan and Pakistan. Officials say the German claimed the attack plan had been approved by Osama Bin Laden.
When the terror plan came to light, the US military began helping its European allies by trying to kill the leaders behind the plot in Pakistan's Waziristan region.

There have been a record 20 missile attacks using drone aircraft there in the past 30 days.

"I am led to believe a number of these attacks were designed against the leadership of this particular plot, which had an al Qaeda and possibly some sort of Taliban connection projecting into Europe," Marshall added.

"And they have killed several of the leaders - which is why the terror threat has not risen."
The U.S. government is working furiously to counter a plot to attack several European public targets, CIA chief Leon Panetta told the head of Pakistan's intelligence community Wednesday.

The plot, to attack multiple public targets in several European capitals, was slated to occur in late November, according to Panetta. After capturing one of the prospective attackers en route from Pakistan's FATA region, the U.S. government authorized the CIA to step up drone strikes inside Pakistan to unprecedented levels while working with various allied governments to kill or capture the two to three dozen militants reportedly preparing for the operation.

The strikes being planned focus on soft targets, such as tourist attractions and public meeting spaces. No targets were believed to be in the United States, although the targets could very well have American citizens present.

Panetta, traveling in Islamabad, met with Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the head of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI) Wednesday to brief him on what American intelligence services have discovered about a series of Mumbai-style attacks planned by al Qaeda in cooperation with Pakistan's Haqqani Network and Lashkar-e-Taiba, the military group responsible for the devastating attacks in India in November 2008.

The Cable received a read-out from a high-level source who was briefed directly on the Panetta-Pasha meeting. The CIA is asking Pakistan to allow expanded permissions to increase the intensity of drone strikes inside Pakistan -- which are already at record levels --and allow greater access for U.S. and associated forces operating inside Pakistan.

According to The Cable's source, Panetta told Pasha that the U.S. already has in custody one of the alleged attackers, a German citizen of Pakistani origin named Siddiqui. He was captured leaving Pakistan's FATA region and is now currently being held at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan.

The attacks were planned for late November and allied intelligence agencies are employing all resources at their disposal to round up the rest of the perpetrators, with the understanding that the threat has not yet been neutralized.

"Unless you have killed or captured all 24 to 36 operatives, how can you be sure the plot is foiled?" the source said.
ISLAMABAD — Eight Germans and two British brothers are at the heart of an al-Qaida-linked terror plot against European cities, but the plan is still in its early stages, with the suspects calling acquaintances in Europe to plan logistics, a Pakistani intelligence official said Thursday. One of the Britons died in a recent CIA missile strike, he said.
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So is this confirmation that Bin Laden is in Pakistan?
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If we get one or two of those walk-and-shoot attacks here in the US, how much you wanna bet there will be a big push to open up CCW permitting to a lot more people?
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US propaganda (and the threads about it) gets even more hilarious, if you take the time to browse the threads from the begining of the Iraq war. :D

edit: oh and of course its even funnier if you have read the leaked CIA paper outlining a strategy for getting public support for the Afghanistan war in Europe by doing exactly what they have been doing in the last months. At least now we know its all lies, not just parts of it. :)
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Kanastrous wrote:If we get one or two of those walk-and-shoot attacks here in the US, how much you wanna bet there will be a big push to open up CCW permitting to a lot more people?
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I don't know. If I were after a room full of unarmed victims that wouldn't be my first choice. Seems like the odds of people in that crowd carrying concealed - legally or otherwise - would be a bit higher than any other randomly-selected room full of civilians...
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*yawn*

Really. That's all this rates. The US issues a vague, non-specific warning about terror attacks ion Europe, most of it based on old information already known to the intelligence services in the major countries and which are generally pretty much on the ball.

Americans are advised to keep alert and possibly avoid traveling to major cities in Europe?

Have these incompetent fucks ever visited a city like, say, Rome? The chance of a terror attack happening that would hit any particular person at any particular time are less than the chances of dying in traffic accident and you just can't keep track of the ten thousand other people strolling along with you on Via del Corso or around Piazza di Spagna, the Pantheon, Piazza Navona or the fucking Colosseum.

Other big European cities have similar attractions where at any given moment you have between 5000 and 20,000 people at once throughout the fucking day.

The only thing this bullshit is is a US internal political attention grab maneuver to show how tough the Obama administration supposedly is on terror. Conveniently timed to coincide just before the midterm elections to boot. All it's done is been fodder for the news, but just the fact that this thing is in the news with as much detail as has been in just this thread alone without anything having been blown up prior means that the risk of anything actually happening is pretty goddamn small and the major players are already under surveillance.

Altogether too much ado about far too little.
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Three articles in one local free paper today about this. Vic Toews, our Public Safety Minister, says canadiens should be careful when traveling overseas, but they aren't putting out an actual advisory.
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Completely over-the-top fearmongering, that is what this is. The German ministry of the Interior basically just told people the USA is overreacting, saying the threat level had not increased over the last years.

And yeah, how convenient that this happens just as soon as support for the war drops sharply in Europe.
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France also raised their alert level, though.
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Artemas wrote:France also raised their alert level, though.
So did Sweden. This does not mean anything. It's still bullshit US midterm election politics.
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That France just decided to go along with? I mean, sure the US is especially bad for this shit, but when places like Sweden, but especially France, do the same, can you really say that they were totally acting under the influence of the States?
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No, but Sarkozy is currently grasping at everything to steer away public attention from his psychotic break at the EU summit.
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That is more reasonable. As an aside, according to the BBC, France had to evacuate the Eiffel Tower twice during september. Coincidence, more domestic political posturing, or actual threat?
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Intelligence officials and people familiar with an unfolding terrorist plot to target Europe tell NPR that Osama bin Laden is involved.
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Artemas wrote:That is more reasonable. As an aside, according to the BBC, France had to evacuate the Eiffel Tower twice during september. Coincidence, more domestic political posturing, or actual threat?
Don't know, but keep in mind that they evacuate buildings all the time for all different reasons.
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Artemas wrote:That is more reasonable. As an aside, according to the BBC, France had to evacuate the Eiffel Tower twice during september. Coincidence, more domestic political posturing, or actual threat?
Don't know, but keep in mind that they evacuate buildings all the time for all different reasons.
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Amtrak will be doing exercises all this week; with a BIG police exercise for rail security on Friday.

Oh, and we apparently killed the leader or originator of this plot with a drone strike today or yesterday.
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Likewise officials in The Netherlands have all but stated the USA is being hysterical again, and that there's no reason to be concerned. The alert level has not been raised.
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MKSheppard wrote:Oh, and we apparently killed the leader or originator of this plot with a drone strike today or yesterday.

Heh. US kills some militants of european origin = Plot in europe foiled.
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Well...whatever those specific European guys had in mind by way of a plot = foiled, anyway. Gotta take what you can get.
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Thanas wrote:No, but Sarkozy is currently grasping at everything to steer away public attention from his psychotic break at the EU summit.
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As if anybody was surprised about this, the US state department has now admitted there was no specific information about any target or plot that caused it to raise its terror warning.

So there never was a Mumbai II plot and this was all hysteria and fear-mongering. As such, I have updated the title of this thread.
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