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Jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday, sparking a furious backlash from Beijing and renewed Western calls for his immediate release.

The 54-year-old writer and university professor was honoured "for his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights in China," Norwegian Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said in his announcement.

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has long believed that there is a close connection between human rights and peace," he added.
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Liu was sentenced last December to 11 years behind bars for subversion, following the 2008 release of "Charter 08", a manifesto for reform signed by more than 300 Chinese intellectuals, academics and writers.

He is one of only three people to win the Peace Prize while in prison, after 1991 laureate Aung San Suu Kyi of Myanmar and German pacifist Carl von Ossietzky, who was in a Nazi jail when he won in 1935.

Following Friday's announcement, US President and 2009 Peace laureate Barack Obama called for Liu's release, as did a number of European governments and human rights groups.

"By granting the prize to Mr. Liu, the Nobel Committee has chosen someone who has been an eloquent and courageous spokesman for the advance of universal values through peaceful and non-violent means, including his support for democracy, human rights, and the rule of law," Obama said in a written statement.

While China has made "dramatic progress" in its economic development over the past 30 years, Obama said "this award reminds us that political reform has not kept pace, and that the basic human rights of every man, woman and child must be respected."

Two other former Peace Prize winners, the Dalai Lama and Lech Walesa of Poland, also hailed Liu's win and called for his release.

China, however, reacted furiously, calling the award "blasphemy" and a violation of the principles of the Peace Prize.

China's reaction raised concerns of a crackdown on other pro-democracy activists, but Jagland insisted that was no reason not to speak about the country's human rights violations.

Liu, who has been detained several times, was a key figure in the pro-democracy student movement in China in 1989, which was brutally crushed by Chinese authorities and culminated in the Tiananmen Square crackdown.

China said Liu's award would damage relations with Norway at a time when the two countries are negotiating on a trade agreement which Oslo hopes to sign by the end of the year.

But instead of ducking what could be a pending diplomatic row, Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was among the first to congratulate Liu.

"Liu Xiaobo has been awarded the prize for defending freedom of expression and democracy in a way that deserves attention and respect," he said in a statement.

Norway's ambassador to China, Svein O. Saether, was meanwhile summoned to to answer for the Nobel Committee's choice.

"The ambassador of Norway in Beijing was asked to go to the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry, where Chinese authorities voiced their discontent and protests," Norwegian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Ragnhild Imerslund told AFP.

The Nobel Committee was unable to reach Liu to inform him of his win Friday, and in China, news of the prize was difficult to come by due to a vast censorship network blocking Internet keyword searches for "Nobel Peace Prize" and "Liu Xiaobo", and even blocking text messages containing the new laureate's full name.

China's official Xinhua news agency carried news of the prize in English and Chinese -- but only by headlining the government's angry reaction to it.

The laureate's wife, Liu Xia, meanwhile said she was "so excited" at the news, and thanked her husband's supporters including the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.

She told AFP police had advised her that they would take her to the northeastern province of Liaoning, where Liu is imprisoned, so that she could tell him on Saturday of his Nobel win.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said, "We welcome this recognition of the very important role human rights defenders play in China and in many other countries, as well as the challenges they face."

"Advocates like Liu Xiaobo can make an important contribution to China's development," she added.

But another senior figure in the democracy movement, Wei Jingsheng, said others deserved the Nobel Peace Prize more than Liu, calling him a moderate willing to work with Beijing.

The award worth 10 million Swedish kroner (1.49 million US dollars, 1.09 million euros), which surprisingly went last year to US President Barack Obama, will be presented in Oslo on December 10.
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Not really sure if awarding him with the peace price would have any impact on human rights movement in China, but oh well.
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No, but its a nice big 'Fuck You' to the Chinese Government that they stuck to their guns and didn't cave in to their hissy fit for DARING to call China on its BS.
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Yeah, good for the committee.

And definitely more deserved than the one for Obama last year.
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I'm quite sure that once the whole crocodile-tears about 'human rights' is done with things will come and bite the Nobel committee right in the keister as they have been long overdue for and most deservedly so. :mrgreen:
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montypython wrote:I'm quite sure that once the whole crocodile-tears about 'human rights' is done with things will come and bite the Nobel committee right in the keister as they have been long overdue for and most deservedly so. :mrgreen:
Can you explain this? I seriously don't get it, besides the implication that you detest the Nobel committee.
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I wish the Australian government stood up the Chinese like these guys. When the Dalai Lama came to Australia, the Chinese government basically told our government where he could and couldn't speak. Seriously, what the fuck?
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China, however, reacted furiously, calling the award "blasphemy" and a violation of the principles of the Peace Prize.
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That is hilarious. This is blasphemy! This is madness!

Madness? This is Norway!

But seriously, that's what caught my attention most. China's choice of words. Why would they call it "blasphemy" anyway?
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You can read the statement here. They mean as in blasphemy against the idea of the Nobel Prize.
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Okay, in that context that makes sense. The article made it out that the Chinese were like Persian emissaries screaming "blasphemy" at Norwegian Spartans, for a perceived slight against their communist godhead or something. It was just an unusual choice of word that caught my attention.
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The conditions how China treats this man are absolutely horrible. They even refuse him medication for his stomach (which according to his wife is hurting horrible due to sub-standard prison food) and refuse testing him for a possible Hepatitis infection.

I think all of the people on this board who tend to view China in a positive light should remember this tale and remember that China is a military dictatorship which does not care for the lives of anybody daring to question the current order.
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China has thrown people in jail for a very long time. Nobody cared. This is a big bold gesture for Sweden, but I doubt China would care much.

I don't think at this point other nations can pressure China to do anything. As a matter of fact, if China could pressure Australia, the chances that the Nobel Prize will put any pressure on China are very slim.

I think Liu will spend the full 11 years in jail. It was an internal matter for China, but now it no longer is. And to show that China won't cow to anyone (a common sentiment among the Chinese here), China will keep him in jail as a principal matter.
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Stas Bush wrote:China has thrown people in jail for a very long time. Nobody cared. This is a big bold gesture for Sweden, but I doubt China would care much.

I don't think at this point other nations can pressure China to do anything. As a matter of fact, if China could pressure Australia, the chances that the Nobel Prize will put any pressure on China are very slim.

I think Liu will spend the full 11 years in jail. It was an internal matter for China, but now it no longer is. And to show that China won't cow to anyone (a common sentiment among the Chinese here), China will keep him in jail as a principal matter.
So giving him the peace price would increase the time he spent in jail? :banghead:
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Also: Breaking news just report that the Chinese have now arrested his wife, presumably to lock her up as well.
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Thanas wrote:Also: Breaking news just report that the Chinese have now arrested his wife, presumably to lock her up as well.
Should be interesting to see the charge for that.

Also, as a matter of curiosity: what is the legal charge of "subversion" this guy is locked up for? Does anyone know what that actually means in Chinese law?
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I believe the official charge sheet will read 'We're fucking China. Eat a dick.' Anyone who still believes that the rule of law in China is anything but a fig leaf by now is bordering on the delusional. Sadly, I don't see anything that could be done to actually help the situation, because 'Fuck off, we're China' seems to work quite nicely as a default answer given the size of the Chinese economy, populace, and influence.
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White Haven wrote:I believe the official charge sheet will read 'We're fucking China. Eat a dick.' Anyone who still believes that the rule of law in China is anything but a fig leaf by now is bordering on the delusional. Sadly, I don't see anything that could be done to actually help the situation, because 'Fuck off, we're China' seems to work quite nicely as a default answer given the size of the Chinese economy, populace, and influence.
And not to mention, hugely popular amongst an increasing nationalistic younger generation.
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Thanas wrote:And definitely more deserved than the one for Obama last year.
The Nobel Peace Prize doesn't exactly have a proud history of being awarded based on merit of any real change.
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Thanas wrote:And definitely more deserved than the one for Obama last year.
The Nobel Peace Prize doesn't exactly have a proud history of being awarded based on merit of any real change.
That depends. Who do you think did not deserve it?
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Thanas wrote:
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Thanas wrote:And definitely more deserved than the one for Obama last year.
The Nobel Peace Prize doesn't exactly have a proud history of being awarded based on merit of any real change.
That depends. Who do you think did not deserve it?
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White Haven wrote:I believe the official charge sheet will read 'We're fucking China. Eat a dick.' Anyone who still believes that the rule of law in China is anything but a fig leaf by now is bordering on the delusional. Sadly, I don't see anything that could be done to actually help the situation, because 'Fuck off, we're China' seems to work quite nicely as a default answer given the size of the Chinese economy, populace, and influence.
Considering when the US government et al basically runs roughshod over anyone and anything and expects to get off scot free, they're certainly not ones in any position to criticize.
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Thanas wrote:And definitely more deserved than the one for Obama last year.
The Nobel Peace Prize doesn't exactly have a proud history of being awarded based on merit of any real change.
That depends. Who do you think did not deserve it?
Le Duc Tho (although he rightfully declined), the Dalai Lama, Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Lech Wałęsa, Woodrow Wilson just to name a few.
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Xon wrote:The Nobel Peace Prize doesn't exactly have a proud history of being awarded based on merit of any real change.
That depends. Who do you think did not deserve it?
Le Duc Tho (although he rightfully declined), the Dalai Lama, Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Lech Wałęsa, Woodrow Wilson just to name a few.
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That said, how does Walesa not merit the mention?
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Thanas wrote:Hi Xon. Nice to hear your username change got through.
Last time I had to PM a supermod and wait a while! That change must have been so fast I don't remember asking it to be changed or changed back :P
That depends. Who do you think did not deserve it?
Honestly, my default answer would be effectively all of them. The other Nobel Prizes are granted generally decades after the event, and it can clearly be said that what it was awarded for was an actual significant advancement for humanity.

Yet Nobel Peace Prize are almost ganted before the events they are supposedly for, have had the ink dry on the common newspapers.
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So Nelson Mandela and Gustav Stresemann do not rate?

I think the Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be seen as an encouragement to others to support the persons involved or to follow them. In that case, awarding it decades after is pretty much counterproductive.
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Thanas wrote:So Nelson Mandela and Gustav Stresemann do not rate?
Of the 98 people and 20 companies, surely a few actually would have deserved it. It sure as hell doesn't help that the Nobel Peace Price is awarded for events which are generally ephemeral by nature and later when historians can construct a larger picture of what actually happened, the events are generally viewed as irrelevent.
I think the Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be seen as an encouragement to others to support the persons involved or to follow them. In that case, awarding it decades after is pretty much counterproductive.
Honestly, I can understand that POV. But the entanglement of the at-the-time current politics goes a long way to tarnish the respectability of the Nobel Peace Prize. Also the idea of awarding the peace price multipule times to an effectively immortal organisation doing the same damn thing is something I consider a little silly.

I guess I view the Nobel Prizes in general as recognistion of some accomplishment, not an attempt at one which the Nobel Peace Price is often awarded as.
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fair enough, though I think that interpretation does kinda erode the value of the peace price as it is intended, though. If you have to wait for the events to proceed, they do not help much. For example, if you had waited ten years, Stresemann would have been disqualified due to a little Austrian corporal.
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