Predator vs Master Chief

[keen320]

I seem to recall that in Halo, many cloaked elites used glowing energy swords more obvious than a lightsaber. Most of the ones that didn't were fought in close quarters, not the vertically dimensioned terrain the predator favors.

AND the novels mention thermal sensors on the helmet as well as motion, which will further help you spot an enemy that you can already see with good eyesight.

Does a predator even have a recognizable heat signature? (are the AVP games admissible evidence? If so I could mention a lot of stuff from them)

[adam_grif]

Does a predator even have a recognizable heat signature? (are the AVP games admissible evidence? If so I could mention a lot of stuff from them)

We see them looking at their own hands, but we never see whether they're cloaked or not when that happens.

FWIW in the AVP2 they couldn't be spotted with thermal vision while invisible.

[Stark]

Except that the settings in Halo 3 custom games allow for customized motion sensor setups, with 25 meters as the standard. If the Predator detects the signals (with what, exactly?), what is he going to do? They've never shown the ability to jam anything.

Is bighead mode and rocketmatch canon now too?

EDIT - oh shit, I didn't realise you were saying the Predator didn't have multispectral sensors (explicitly seen in Predator 2) and that MC being nearly blind while a Predator can see him a mile away because of his essentially useless active sensor going ping isn't relevant.

And you've completely ignored the fact that he has faced MANY Elites with cloaking devices that provide almost the exact same amount of visibility as the Predator's device, and the SPARTAN-II augmentations include enhancing vision. Not to mention that if the device gets wet, either from rain or being knocked into a body of water, or if his wrist computer is damaged, the cloaking device will promptly short circuit. AND the novels mention thermal sensors on the helmet as well as motion, which will further help you spot an enemy that you can already see with good eyesight.

Y'know if those elites with cloaks had sniper rifles too, MC would have died a long time ago. Luckily, they aways like to get in close for no reason.

I have absolutely no idea how you expect MC to somehow get the Predator wet when he doesn't know where it is ... does the armour have weather-control powers?

[aieeegrunt]

I think that'll be a new armor ability with the first DLC.

A lot of this boils down to just how many bolts the MC's shield can absorb before recharging; if it can soak up one or two the Predator has just given up his biggest advantage as soon as he fires.

WHICH assault rifle and pistol the MC has is going to make a huge difference too; if it's the pistol from Halo 2 and the assault rifle from Halo CE he is a lot less dangerous than if it was say the pistol from Halo CE and the assault rifle from Reach.

[Imperial528]

Canon-wise I think they're all the same assault rifle, but which pistol will make a difference.

[lordofchange13]

Also I have been taking one shot kills from Plasma Caster at face value so far. I would like to see calcs providing said level of effectiveness from now.

In Predators, a charged plasma caster shot completely destroys a man's entire body. Now, I haven't run the numbers, but blowing an entire body apart and leaving nothing but a trace amount of blood left behind is undoubtedly going to take more energy than the (18?) assault rifle rounds it canonically takes to strip the chief's shields and kill him.

Plasma weapons in-universe are also far, far more effective at stripping shields than regular bullets. Likewise, in-universe plasma weapons don't blow people apart, so it's much, much more powerful than any man portable plasma weapon that he has faced before.

In the canon halo books plasma rifles are shown blasting large holes in marines killing them instantly. also plasma turrets are abile to obliterate more then half a human body in one shot.

[Stark]

Canon-wise I think they're all the same assault rifle, but which pistol will make a difference.

No, Bungie is so spineless they actually give them different designations in-universe; everyone is just too stupid to keep using the Halo pistol and should never have used the Halo AR at all.

[Imperial528]

I see.

I now despise Bungie even more (Really, if they're going to make a different AR each game, they should at least change the model slightly, but then again, this is the same Bungie that brought back the Halo CE pistol in Halo 3 but forgot the scope ). Although, the original AR worked wonders on unshielded targets. Haven't played Reach so I'm not sure about it there, and I never use it in Halo 3 when I have the chance to play that.

Anyways, right now I'm favoring Predator, simply because the MC was not trained for this kind of situation, IIRC he has always had some information on the enemy, while the Predator seems to be more experienced with the unknown.

[Stark]

The Reach models are slightly different than the Halo3 ones; they've 'tacticooled' them up. The AR still has a giant and useless ammo display with a worthless compass on it, but it looks less like a blow-moulded toy. Still no alt-fire, but you can thank the GOLDEN TRIANGLE for that.

[AMT]

Fuck off, idiot. You made a bunch of unquantifiable, meaningless statements that are obviously contradicted in the sources.

Umm... he quoted the novels. I think those count as sources.

Despite whatever your personal opinion of Bungie is, they are considered canonical IIRC.

[Ghost Rider]

Fuck off, idiot. You made a bunch of unquantifiable, meaningless statements that are obviously contradicted in the sources.

Umm... he quoted the novels. I think those count as sources.

Despite whatever your personal opinion of Bungie is, they are considered canonical IIRC.

Strange that the part you omitted into making this rant, he does explain why he considered it shit.

Fuck off, idiot. You made a bunch of unquantifiable, meaningless statements that are obviously contradicted in the sources. It's not my fault that UNSC used a shit test to measure spartan reflexes; this was probably political in nature. Describing bones as 'nearly unbreakable' is similarly ridiculous and meaningless. He has reinforced bones, his bones are strong - these are meaningful. Hyperbole isn't.

The motion sensor has a range of about 10m, can't detect stationary or slow objects, and probably emits signals that a Predator can detect. It's likely to be irrelevant or a problem for MC, and MC can't dodge what he can't even see (particularly since the Predator often opens with fire from behind or above).

Thus with all the context that you omitted, he demonstrates that the statements are meaningless because it is hyperbole at best, with little to no description of the events or the mechanics behind it.

As such, the analogy would be best put that if Yoda claimed the Jedi as all powerful, and what we see in other scences contradict such, you can ignore that particular bit of evidence, even if both are a part of canon.

Or was your bit just to be snarky at Stark?

[AMT]

Except that hyperbole would be, as you said "all-powerful".

Said novels actually show the speeds, as well as durability (i.e. "punched through concrete" and the speeds said earlier in the thread)

If anything, this is more along the lines of the SW cross sections saying something that isn't demonstrated in the movies, i.e. the somewhat crazy amounts of firepower that the ships are said to have.

So no, this wasn't just to be snarky at Stark, though that is fun every so often.

[PREDATOR490]

'Original' Predators

They came to Earth for SPORT killings and as such they obviously find no sport in simply gibbing with their biggest toy.
These things are exceptionally agile or their armor is better than what is being shown.

We have P1 being able to dodge multiple instances of folks shooting at it
I.E Minigun fire

We have P2 being able to dodge multiple instances of folks shooting at point blank range with no effect
I.E The drug gang in the armory which all got wasted and a similar situation in the hotel

'Super' Predators

These things like to bring folks to THEIR jungle complete with traps from what was observed. Thus a vs. is likely to occur there.
If your going to go for a 'generic' jungle, there is no indication of how the Predators go about selecting, hunting or targeting candidates other than the selection they captured.

I dont recall ANY of the cast of Predators say HOW they were captured and none of them seemed to know what was going on thus it seems likely the Super Predators tagged and bagged them quickly and quietly. What happens if the Super Predators get seen by a target while they are doing their selection ?

Who knows, they might just zap the person on the spot or consider it a hunt ?
Given the way they perform in a hunt, these Super Predators dont seem to shy away from using their technology as much or stopping for 'honor kill' bullshit. They certainly didnt for poor Fishourne.

Situation 1# Predator sees unsuspecting target and just zaps them from range

Situation 2# Predator sees target, decides to go in with the Wrist Blades

Situation 3# Predator uses traps for the target I.E AVP2 Laser Mines or Predators

In almost all cases the ultimate trend about Predators is they tend to strike targets when they are at the most vulnerable. The few cases we see with 'Named' Characters surviving is because they have had enough time to wise up and catch up with the plot. An individual target who has no foreknowledge of Predators will not have the luxury of expendable redshirts to call upon so they can figure out what a Predator is or it's technology.

It will be a simple case of either
A) The Predator jumps the unsuspecting target whenever it wants.
I.E P1 or P2 when they frequently just jumped in and slaughtered unsuspecting people.

B) The target manages to spot the Predator lurking about
In this case, MC spays / strikes madly at the unknown invisible creature and nails it or Predator reacts faster than he does and gibs / stabs him in a manner similar to Predators or P1