Hitler and repentance

[Priesto]

Memory is whiped clean, when we arrive on earth that's for sure.To remember the goodness of heaven? defenitely not worthy. - Priesto

Ummm, are you saying that we came from someplace else before we arrived on Earth?

XPViking

Yes. We were all once angels in heaven before.That was, when Lucifer did what he did.Of course you wouldn't know this sense what I speak of is irrational.You can't see it, and you can't touch it so it must not exist right?

[Darth Wong]

Nobody read my prior post?

People read your prior post. However, since it was identical to all the posts before it, why should they bother answering?

Here's a hint: if you want people to answer your posts, try addressing their concerns when you reply to them, instead of simply saying the same goddamned thing over and over again. Otherwise, they'll get frustrated or disinterested and they'll either flame you or ignore you. Get it?

Granted I new of this but forgot, doesn't change anything though.

Bullshit. If you knew of this, then you wouldn't have said that Hitler was not a Christian or that he had no knowledge of Christ due to his "upbringing".

Anyone can call themselves a christian, no big deal.Hitler would go to hell after a point no matter what.

And you base this claim on what?

Name one thing that Hitler did which was worse than the acts committed by the Biblical God. Hitler ordered his followers to exterminate the Jews? God ordered his followers to commit genocide against the Canaanites. Hitler had medical experiments performed on his enemies' soldiers? God tortures his enemies' followers for all eternity. Hitler was a dictator? God is a dictator. Hitler did not treat others as he would have them treat him? God didn't either.

So what makes you think Hitler wouldn't get into Heaven? He was very Godly in his behaviour, and he believed in Jesus, as made very clear by the quotes from Mein Kampf that I listed (and which you pretended to know about all along, even though you're obviously lying), so why wouldn't he get in, assuming that the asshole from Genesis and Exodus is running the place? Maybe they'd be busom buddies.

[Master of Ossus]

Incidentally, Hitler's belief in Christianity was so strong that he even sent elite combat troops in an effort to seek holy relics. The relics that he was looking for included that spear used to poke Christ while he was on the cross.

Interestingly, Hitler's beliefs in religious/occult practices stretched far beyond Jesus and even the Bible. He was also deeply interested in the prophecies of Nostradamus, and several other prophets--to the point where he alluded to several of their predictions in propoganda films. He was clearly nuts, by any definition of the word.

[Priesto]

Equating Hitler with God, I've seen everything now.Devine righteous purpose to insanity, brilliant.You seem to defend evil though you don't believe in it.Hitler was insane, would you agree? so why would an insane person be found legitimate in beleiving in christ.Christ teahes non-violence, he teaches to love thine enemy, so you are making little sense here.I have replied to your concerns.

[Darth Wong]

Equating Hitler with God, I've seen everything now.Devine righteous purpose to insanity, brilliant.

I listed numerous examples of how God exceeded Hitler's brutality and viciousness. You did not even attempt to address those examples; you merely expressed shock. Shock is not a rebuttal.

You seem to defend evil though you don't believe in it.

I do not "defend" Hitler by showing that he was not as bad as the Biblical God; I am attacking the Biblical God by showing that he was even worse than Hitler. Open your fucking eyes, you dumb-shit.

Hitler was insane, would you agree? so why would an insane person be found legitimate in beleiving in christ.

Hitler was an asshole, but he was not insane until later in the war. Insanity is a delusional state; one can be quite evil without being insane. Hitler did not appear to be hallucinating or imagining things, so he was not insane. And this is a red herring. You have not addressed the point that the Biblical God shows more brutality and viciousness than Hitler.

Christ teahes non-violence, he teaches to love thine enemy, so you are making little sense here.

No, the Bible makes little sense, since Christ preaches non-violence but tells us to worship a God who commits massive violence.

I have replied to your concerns.

You're a lying little shit and a fucking moron. You have not even tried to address my concerns. Instead, you simply mocked them without answering them.

[XPViking]

Yes. We were all once angels in heaven before.That was, when Lucifer did what he did.Of course you wouldn't know this sense what I speak of is irrational.You can't see it, and you can't touch it so it must not exist right? - Priesto

Just trying to understand what you meant. It sounds to me like you are a Mormon. Am I right?

XPViking

[Priesto]

Would you please stop using such poor language in your posts.The judgement of an evil people by God, doesn't need to be justified.Being evil is insanity in itself.You even acknowleged evil, something you believe not to exist.God has the right to judge and you'd know that all of his actions are justified.Hitler's actions of hate cannot be justified.
Also, we do not have the capacity to judge since we are not all knowing or all pure and holy.

[Priesto]

Yes. We were all once angels in heaven before.That was, when Lucifer did what he did.Of course you wouldn't know this sense what I speak of is irrational.You can't see it, and you can't touch it so it must not exist right? - Priesto

Just trying to understand what you meant. It sounds to me like you are a Mormon. Am I right?

XPViking

Mormon? nope,Christian. The mormon faith was founded by an ungodly man.

[Darik Sdair]

Originally posted by Priesto:
Hitler did not worship nor believe in the son of God

Mormon? nope,Christian. The mormon faith was founded by an ungodly man.

Oh, I get it now. So, if a christian isn't part of your particular denomination, they aren't actually christians. In fact, they're ungodly fiends bent on getting us all sent to hell. It all makes sense now.

You = Christian
You != Catholic
Hitler = Catholic
therefor Hitler != Christian

So, out of curiousity, what denomination of christianity do you practice, Priesto?

[Darth Wong]

Would you please stop using such poor language in your posts.

How predictable. Whine about your opponent's manners when you can't address his points. I called you a fucking moron because that's precisely what you are. I challenged you to produce one lousy example of Hitler doing something that the Biblical God couldn't match for ferocity, brutality, and viciousness.

Your failure to do so in two consecutive replies after two consecutive challenges represents tacit admission of defeat, yet you claim that you have answered my points! I don't think you understand that a proper answer to a point is to find a flaw in its reasoning or facts; you have done neither. You simply state that you disagree, and you seem to feel that this constitutes a rebuttal.

The judgement of an evil people by God, doesn't need to be justified.

In other words, you are incapable of justifying God's use of genocide (or even explaining how the entire nation of Canaan with all of its denizens, young and old, could possibly be "evil"), so you won't even bother trying.

Being evil is insanity in itself.

Wrong, you idiot. I pointed out the proper definition of insanity in my last post, which you ignored along with everything else anyone here has ever said to you.

You even acknowleged evil, something you believe not to exist.

Fuck you, you intolerant little piece of shit. Since I'm an atheist, you assume that I believe evil does not exist? It exists, motherfucker. With your strident claims that it was OK to commit genocide against entire races in the Old Testament, you're a walking example of it.

God has the right to judge and you'd know that all of his actions are justified. Hitler's actions of hate cannot be justified. Also, we do not have the capacity to judge since we are not all knowing or all pure and holy.

Your irrational and self-contradictory opinion. Nothing more.

I will recap once more, and then I am through wasting time with you. You agree that Hitler is evil. You claim that God is good. I produced numerous examples showing that God commits more evil acts than Hitler, thus forcing us into one of three conclusions:

1. God commits similar acts to those of Hitler, therefore both God and Hitler are evil.
2. God commits similar acts to those of Hitler, therefore both God and Hitler are good.
3. Good and evil are decided by the words of your spokespeople, not your deeds. And since Jesus said lots of nice things, God is good despite his deeds.

Of those, the only palatable option is #1: both God and Hitler are evil. You appear to be using #3, although you won't admit it.

But of course, you don't recognize that there is a massive contradiction in your claim that Hitler is more evil than God, even though God commits more evil acts than Hitler, because you have intellectual blinders on and you are too fucking stupid to start with facts and move to conclusions rather than going the other way around.

You once asked why no one responded to your last post. I tried to explain to you that your incredible stupidity and outright refusal to debate properly by addressing points was the reason. Unfortunately, you are obviously too dense to figure it out even after having it spelled out for you.

[Priesto]

Originally posted by Priesto:
Hitler did not worship nor believe in the son of God

Mormon? nope,Christian. The mormon faith was founded by an ungodly man.

Oh, I get it now. So, if a christian isn't part of your particular denomination, they aren't actually christians. In fact, they're ungodly fiends bent on getting us all sent to hell. It all makes sense now.

You = Christian
You != Catholic
Hitler = Catholic
therefor Hitler != Christian

So, out of curiousity, what denomination of christianity do you practice, Priesto?

Denominations are not of God. I never said they were bent on getting anyone in hell.The original founder was ungodly that's all.

[Darth Yoshi]

What is your definition of ungodly? How was he ungodly? You just say he was ungodly, but where's your proof?

[Darik Sdair]

Originally posted by Priesto:
Hitler did not worship nor believe in the son of God

Mormon? nope,Christian. The mormon faith was founded by an ungodly man.

Oh, I get it now. So, if a christian isn't part of your particular denomination, they aren't actually christians. In fact, they're ungodly fiends bent on getting us all sent to hell. It all makes sense now.

You = Christian
You != Catholic
Hitler = Catholic
therefor Hitler != Christian

So, out of curiousity, what denomination of christianity do you practice, Priesto?

Denominations are not of God. I never said they were bent on getting anyone in hell.The original founder was ungodly that's all.

So....

Christians = of God
Denominations != of God
Denominations != Christians

So anyone who goes to a church of one of the established denominations isn't a christian? I love it!

[IDMR]

Yes. We were all once angels in heaven before.That was, when Lucifer did what he did.Of course you wouldn't know this sense what I speak of is irrational.You can't see it, and you can't touch it so it must not exist right?

::astounded::

Which Christian sect did you come from? This is enough to get you tried for heresy in half a dozen medieval countries just off the top of my head.

Here's a hint. Even according to theologicians, we are not once angels.

[IDMR]

Would you please stop using such poor language in your posts.The judgement of an evil people by God, doesn't need to be justified.Being evil is insanity in itself.You even acknowleged evil, something you believe not to exist.God has the right to judge and you'd know that all of his actions are justified.Hitler's actions of hate cannot be justified.
Also, we do not have the capacity to judge since we are not all knowing or all pure and holy.

Quite apart from the sheer ludicrousness of the statement, this is also self-contradictory. You sad the 'judgment of evil' and then immediately afterwards 'doesn't need to be justified', so if they are indeed evil, why the devil is it unjustifiable? And then you went on tho say that it is justified because God did it... How is it that you brain does not suffer overload from all of this contradictory information?

[John]

If God says a thing is so, who are we to question Him? If God say's 'X'' is so, then you and I have no right to question Him, no matter what Mike says Likewise, if God says Mike is an 'abhomination' in His eyes, then Mike 'is' an abhomoniation.

[Stravo]

If God says a thing is so, who are we to question Him? If God say's 'X'' is so, then you and I have no right to question Him, no matter what Mike says Likewise, if God says Mike is an 'abhomination' in His eyes, then Mike 'is' an abhomoniation.

Ah yes...the good old Book of Job answer. I am your creator, where were you when I lay the foundations of the world, where were you when I created the seas and the land? What right do you have to question me?

It was a Jewsih scholar's attempt to amswer that age old question of why evil things happen to good people...it was unsatisfying THEN and it is certainly unsatisfying NOW.

Who is God to question our questions...he fashioned us to think, to wonder, to question, THEN decides not to provide any answers and harshly punish even the most righteous.

[John]

Ah yes...the good old Book of Job answer. I am your creator, where were you when I lay the foundations of the world, where were you when I created the seas and the land? What right do you have to question me?

It was a Jewsih scholar's attempt to amswer that age old question of why evil things happen to good people...it was unsatisfying THEN and it is certainly unsatisfying NOW.

Who is God to question our questions...he fashioned us to think, to wonder, to question, THEN decides not to provide any answers and harshly punish even the most righteous.

Just becuase we can question Him, doesn't mean we are right when we do so. Likewise, I am sure He want's us to question the "Established Order" even if the answers we glean are wrong.

[Stravo]

Ah yes...the good old Book of Job answer. I am your creator, where were you when I lay the foundations of the world, where were you when I created the seas and the land? What right do you have to question me?

It was a Jewsih scholar's attempt to amswer that age old question of why evil things happen to good people...it was unsatisfying THEN and it is certainly unsatisfying NOW.

Who is God to question our questions...he fashioned us to think, to wonder, to question, THEN decides not to provide any answers and harshly punish even the most righteous.

Just becuase we can question Him, doesn't mean we are right when we do so. Likewise, I am sure He want's us to question the "Established Order" even if the answers we glean are wrong.

Unless the "Established Order" is the church. We all know the results of those people that dared to question his esatblishment on earth...pyres were burning all through Eurpoe for over a century, scientists that did not toe the party line were threatened with fire at the stake or something equally gruesome. The church's instinct is TO NOT question, in fact most religious fundamenatlists prefer the answer Job got from god....Don't question just do.

That goes against the very nature of humanity and historcially, when questions are supressed society and particularly science stagnate.

Are you satisfied with the answer Job got after his family was slaughtered, he lost all his wealth and home. He himself suffering form boils as he sat upon a pile of offal, God shows up and gets ANGRY that JOb DARE question him. The kicker to the story, all the suffering was caused because of a freindly wager between Satan and God.

[John]

Are you satisfied with the answer Job got after his family was slaughtered, he lost all his wealth and home. He himself suffering form boils as he sat upon a pile of offal, God shows up and gets ANGRY that JOb DARE question him. The kicker to the story, all the suffering was caused because of a freindly wager between Satan and God.

If you accept that God is the Lord of the Universe, then yes, He can demand whatever He will of us, and we, like Job, have no choice but to obey. The reason is that if God IS God, then He may do as He will, no matter what it costs us.

[Mr. B]

Once again circular logic comes into play.

"Don't question god becasue he is god."

If I don't believe in god then how do I accept any of your arguments. Faith is not a basis for a logical argument.

[John]

If I don't believe in god then how do I accept any of your arguments. Faith is not a basis for a logical argument.

If you don't believe in my god, then you don't have accept any of my arguments. All I am saying is, if you accept that 'God" exists, then 'He' has a right to our obedience, because 'He' created us.

[Darth Wong]

If you don't believe in my god, then you don't have accept any of my arguments.

Then your arguments are purely subjective, hence they are not meaningful in a general discussion.

All I am saying is, if you accept that 'God" exists, then 'He' has a right to our obedience, because 'He' created us.

Leap in logic. Explain why the act of creating something removes that thing's rights where you are concerned.

My son would not exist if not for my actions. This does not mean I have the right to demand absolute obedience from him in perpetuity to any and all commands, no matter how arbitrary or cruel.

[John]

Then your arguments are purely subjective, hence they are not meaningful in a general discussion.[\quote]
Of course, any arguments regarding God are subjective.

All I am saying is, if you accept that 'God" exists, then 'He' has a right to our obedience, because 'He' created us.

Leap in logic. Explain why the act of creating something removes that thing's rights where you are concerned.

My son would not exist if not for my actions. This does not mean I have the right to demand absolute obedience from him in perpetuity to any and all commands, no matter how arbitrary or cruel.

God creates man, man creates dog.
God demands obedence from man, man demands obience from dog.
God punishes man for disobedience, Man punishies dog for disobedience.
Mike, if God created us, then He own's us. If so, we OWE Him our obedience.

[Darik Sdair]

Then your arguments are purely subjective, hence they are not meaningful in a general discussion.[\quote]
Of course, any arguments regarding God are subjective.

All I am saying is, if you accept that 'God" exists, then 'He' has a right to our obedience, because 'He' created us.

Leap in logic. Explain why the act of creating something removes that thing's rights where you are concerned.

My son would not exist if not for my actions. This does not mean I have the right to demand absolute obedience from him in perpetuity to any and all commands, no matter how arbitrary or cruel.

God creates man, man creates dog.
God demands obedence from man, man demands obience from dog.
God punishes man for disobedience, Man punishies dog for disobedience.
Mike, if God created us, then He own's us. If so, we OWE Him our obedience.

Buddy, I don't know who you're.... um..... knowing.... but under normal circumstances, man does not create dogs