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An election year already notable for its menagerie of extreme and unusual candidates can add another one: Rich Iott, the Republican nominee for Congress from Ohio's 9th District, and a Tea Party favorite, who for years donned a German Waffen SS uniform and participated in Nazi re-enactments.

Iott, whose district lies in Northwest Ohio, was involved with a group that calls itself Wiking, whose members are devoted to re-enacting the exploits of an actual Nazi division, the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking, which fought mainly on the Eastern Front during World War II. Iott's participation in the Wiking group is not mentioned on his campaign's website, and his name and photographs were removed from the Wiking website.When contacted by The Atlantic, Iott confirmed his involvement with the group over a number of years, but said his interest in Nazi Germany was historical and he does not subscribe to the tenets of Nazism. "No, absolutely not," he said. "In fact, there's a disclaimer on the [Wiking] website. And you'll find that on almost any reenactment website. It's purely historical interest in World War II."

Iott, a member of the Ohio Military Reserve, added, "I've always been fascinated by the fact that here was a relatively small country that from a strictly military point of view accomplished incredible things. I mean, they took over most of Europe and Russia, and it really took the combined effort of the free world to defeat them. From a purely historical military point of view, that's incredible."

Iott says the group chose the Wiking division in part because it fought on the Eastern Front, mainly against the Russian Army, and not U.S. or British soldiers. The group's website includes a lengthy history of the Wiking unit, a recruitment video, and footage of goose-stepping German soldiers marching in the Warsaw victory parade after Poland fell in 1939. The website makes scant mention of the atrocities committed by the Waffen SS, and includes only a glancing reference to the "twisted" nature of Nazism. Instead, it emphasizes how the Wiking unit fought Bolshevist Communism:

Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a "New and Free Europe", free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.


Historians of Nazi Germany vehemently dispute this characterization. "These guys don't know their history," said Charles W. Sydnor, Jr., a retired history professor and author of "Soldiers of Destruction: The SS Death's Head Division, 1933-45," which chronicles an SS division. "They have a sanitized, romanticized view of what occurred." Sydnor added that re-enactments like the Wiking group's are illegal in Germany and Austria. "If you were to put on an SS uniform in Germany today, you'd be arrested."

Christopher Browning, a professor of history at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, said, "It is so unhistorical and so apologetic that you don't know to what degree they've simply caught up innocent war memorabilia enthusiasts who love putting on uniforms."

Iott says he does not recall exactly when he joined the Wiking group (his name appears on a unit roster as far back as 2003), but did so with his son "as a father-son bonding thing." He says his name and pictures were removed from the Wiking website not out of concern that they would harm his political career, but because he quit the group three years ago, after his son lost interest.

Iott participated in the group under his own name, and also under the alias "Reinhard Pferdmann," which has also been removed, and which Iott described as being his German alter ego. "Part of the reenactor's [experience]," Iott said, "is the living-history part, of really trying to get into the persona of the time period. In many, not just in our unit, but in many units what individuals do is create this person largely based on a Germanized version of their name, and a history kind of based around your own real experiences. 'Reinhard' of course is 'Richard' in German. And 'Pferdmann,' 'pferd' is a horse. So it's literally 'horse man.'"

Asked whether his participation in a Nazi re-enactor's group might not upset voters, particularly Jewish voters, Iott said he hoped it would not: "They have to take it in context. There's reenactors out there who do everything. You couldn't do Civil War re-enacting if somebody didn't play the role of the Confederates. [This] is something that's definitely way in the past. ... take it in context and see it for what it is, an interest in World War II history. And that's strictly all."

Rabbi Moshe Saks, of the Congregation B'nai Israel in Sylvania, Ohio, a suburb of Toledo that sits in the 9th district, disagreed. "Any kind of reenactment or glorification of Nazi Germany, to us, would be something unacceptable and certainly in poor taste, if not offensive," he said. "I think the reaction here will be very negative. And not just among the Jewish community, but the broader community."

In a follow-up email today, Iott seemed at pains to address concerns that his conduct may have alienated veterans groups but made no specific mention of possible offense to Jews or human rights groups: "Never, in any of my reenacting of military history, have I meant any disrespect to anyone who served in our military or anyone who has been affected by the tragedy of war. In fact, I have immense respect for veterans who served our country valiantly, and my respect of the military and our veterans is one of the reasons I have actively studied military history throughout my life." He added that he has participated in re-enactments as a Civil War Union infantryman, a World War I dough boy and World War II American infantryman and paratrooper.

The actual Wiking unit has a history as grisly as that of other Nazi divisions. In her book "The Death Marches of Hungarian Jews Through Austria in the Spring of 1945," Eleonore Lappin, the noted Austrian historian, writes that soldiers from the Wiking division were involved in the killing of Hungarian Jews in March and April 1945, before surrendering to American forces in Austria.

"What you often hear is that the [Wiking] division was never formally accused of anything, but that's kind of a dodge," says Prof. Rob Citino, of the Military History Center at the University of North Texas, who examined the Wiking website. "The entire German war effort in the East was a racial crusade to rid the world of 'subhumans,' Slavs were going to be enslaved in numbers of tens of millions. And of course the multimillion Jewish population of Eastern Europe was going to be exterminated altogether. That's what all these folks were doing in the East. It sends a shiver up my spine to think that people want to dress up and play SS on the weekend."


Wait, we're not done yet:


Iott told Anderson Cooper on CNN on Monday night he does not support the "political or the ideological motives" of the Nazi party.

"What happened in Germany during the Second World War is absolutely one of the low points in human history," he said.

However, he stopped short of criticizing members of the 5th SS Panzer Division, the very group of Nazi soldiers he played in the reenactments.

"They were doing what they thought was right for their country," he said. "They were going out to fight what they thought was a bigger evil."

Historical revisionism much? You don't salute the SS, you spit on their graves.
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Thread title makes me think it's a fashion issue more than a political one. What's a stronger word than "criticized"? And would that harsher word actually happen?
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"Condemned" comes to mind. "Assailed" would be good but implies physical assault, which apparently didn't happen.

Honestly, I'm not unsympathetic to the political situation faced by a bunch of WWII re-enactors; someone has to dress up as Germans, and that's not gonna look good later on, any more than it would if the guys had dressed up in tutus.

But SS uniforms, I would argue, cross the line, because at that point you're not just playing at being "WWII Germans;" you're putting on the mantle of a truly loathsome organization when you could just as well choose not to.
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To be perfectly fair, I have a good friend who does historical reenacting, and he's been part of some confederate Tennessee regiment for years. Is he a southern sympathizer? NO. That's just what reenactors do. And also, he studied the Civil War for his master's degree at the same uni where I was.
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The problem isn't that he's reenacting as an SS Soldier, the problem is the group he's with reenact as the 5th SS Panzer Division and their website says this they promote a "common interest in the German side of the war and want to tell the story of the average combat soldier of the German military." The problem with that is the 5th SS are hardly average combat Soldiers, having participated in the round up of Ukrainian Jews in concert with Einsatzgruppe A, which resulted in the murder of over seven hundred people. Sixty of them were forced to run between to columns of Soldiers who would beat them as they went past, and when they got to the end of the gauntlet an Einsatzgruppen officer would shoot them.

I don't have a problem with reenacting as a Nazi, Hugo Boss made them some pretty snazzy uniform, the Schutzstaffel and Sicherheitsdienst especially. So I can see the appeal, but I don't think being part of a group that attempts to paint the SS as average Soldiers doing their job is acceptable.
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Retard wrote:However, he stopped short of criticizing members of the 5th SS Panzer Division, the very group of Nazi soldiers he played in the reenactments.

"They were doing what they thought was right for their country," he said. "They were going out to fight what they thought was a bigger evil."
I wonder what he would say if we said this about Al Queda, they were just fighting what they thought was a bigger evil. Do you think he might agree?
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Well, to be fair to him, they chose the SS unit which more or less came closest to being a sort of foreign legion. That said, that is damning with faint praise.

Also, his defence seems to consist of accusing people of trying to sweep WWII under the rug.
politico wrote:Iott added that his son began joining him in both World War II and Civil War reenactments at age 15.

Asked how he explained wearing such uniform to his son, Iott emphasized the need to remember the significant human loss in the war.

“It’s a tragedy that we don’t want to forget,” he said. “We can't sweep it under the rug. It did indeed happen.”

However, what really matters is perception and no matter if he might have a legitimate reason for wearing the uniform, it is not a smart thing to do.
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It's quite plain that when you cut through all the bullshit that he's just the typical retard jerking off to the mythos of the "super-elite patriotic SS." If he's too stupid to see through the propaganda of a dead nation run by mass murderers, he's too stupid for government. Little surprise, then, that he's a teabagger darling.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't the SS as a whole, barring the Baltic units, declared to be war criminals at Nuremburg? So this guy is cosplaying war criminals and trying to say that others were worse therefore these ones aren't quite as bad?

Compare and contrast the uproar over Prince Harry appearing in his cheapo Nazi getup.
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xt828 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't the SS as a whole, barring the Baltic units, declared to be war criminals at Nuremburg?
All SS units were, with the exception of SS ceremonial cavalry, because those were just figureheads. The only men exempt from the rulings were conscripts from 1943 onward, who were exempted from that judgement as they had been forced to join. However, having conscripts in a unit did not mean the unit suddenly went out scot-free. Many units which had part volunteer, part conscript ranks (including the Baltic ones) had some hardcore war criminals in them.

Saying that Waffen-SS was a-ohkay is basically the litmus test for neo-Nazis.
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When you play risk someone has to be Germany. No one throws a shit fit about it in WWII era first person shooters. Reenacting Military battles is nerdy as fuck but someone has to play the bad guys.
he does not subscribe to the tenets of Nazism. "No, absolutely not," he said. "In fact, there's a disclaimer on the [Wiking] website. And you'll find that on almost any reenactment website. It's purely historical interest in World War II."
What is the disclaimer?
Disclaimer: This page or anyone involved in its creation, or members of reenactment groups listed here, are in no way affiliated with real, radical political organizations (i.e., KKK, Aryan Nation, American Nazi Party, etc.) and do not embrace the philosophies and actions of the original NSDAP (Nazi party), and wholeheartedly condemn the atrocities which made them infamous. May the victims of this unspeakable horror rest in peace. As we portray the German combat soldier, we are only interested in recreating his daily life, furthering our understanding of what it took to be a soldier, and at the same time having fun reliving history. We honor the men (and women) who really experienced the war, and we salute their courage and loyalty to put their lives on the line in defense of their native soil, no matter what nationality or government.


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What's problematic here is that aside from just dorkiness, this fellow chose the worst possible people to dress up as... and something strikes me as off about the way he's trying to wave it off.

It's the ass-covering that worries me; I get a "the lady doth protest too much" vibe off it.
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Not only that but look at the group's statement
The website makes scant mention of the atrocities committed by the Waffen SS, and includes only a glancing reference to the "twisted" nature of Nazism. Instead, it emphasizes how the Wiking unit fought Bolshevist Communism:

Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a "New and Free Europe", free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
These fine upstanding individuals believe that the Nazis fought for FREEDOM (from Jews and Slavs?). That's not just playing dress-up, that's some seriously fucked-up historical revisionism right there. I wouldn't be surprised to find that quite a few of them are also holocaust-deniers.

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fgalkin wrote:Not only that but look at the group's statement
The website makes scant mention of the atrocities committed by the Waffen SS, and includes only a glancing reference to the "twisted" nature of Nazism. Instead, it emphasizes how the Wiking unit fought Bolshevist Communism:

Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a "New and Free Europe", free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
These fine upstanding individuals believe that the Nazis fought for FREEDOM (from Jews and Slavs?). That's not just playing dress-up, that's some seriously fucked-up historical revisionism right there. I wouldn't be surprised to find that quite a few of them are also holocaust-deniers.

Have a very nice day.
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Agreed. It would be one thing if he re-enacted an SS unit because he enjoys history and has an interest in the SS... with a group that says "Their military achievements are impressive and worth re-enacting, but we have no illusions about this ideology being absolutely fucking twisted".

Instead, they were the stalwart defenders of freedom... I dont know about you, but I think this says a lot about the ideology of republicans, and the tea party in particular.
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the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
...to be free to murder others?
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fgalkin wrote:Not only that but look at the group's statement
The website makes scant mention of the atrocities committed by the Waffen SS, and includes only a glancing reference to the "twisted" nature of Nazism. Instead, it emphasizes how the Wiking unit fought Bolshevist Communism:

Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a "New and Free Europe", free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
These fine upstanding individuals believe that the Nazis fought for FREEDOM (from Jews and Slavs?). That's not just playing dress-up, that's some seriously fucked-up historical revisionism right there. I wouldn't be surprised to find that quite a few of them are also holocaust-deniers.

Have a very nice day.
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I would argue that they are stating that the Nazis thought they were fighting for freedom.
Note the quote marks around (New and Free Europe) and the phrase "true underlying totalitarian". Ignoring these things is taking the statement out of context.

That they thought they were the defenders of freedom is the scary part about what happened in Germany. To cast the Nazi soldiers as soulless mustache twirling villains is to miss the lesson that they did such horrible things thinking they were in the right.
No army ever thinks they are the bad guys. That's why remembering the lessons of history is so important. To make sure they aren't repeated.

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Only a bunch of ugly racist fucks would volunteer for an organization like the SS and such an openly racist regime like the Nazis. There was no "underlying" nature, the Nazi regime was openly racist, and the SS were quite racist as well.
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I'd like to note that during the second world war, the U.S. military and the U.S. regime were also openly racist.
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So what? They did not have a policy of exterminating several races.
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Zed wrote:I'd like to note that during the second world war, the U.S. military and the U.S. regime were also openly racist.
If you really need it qualified: Only a bunch of ugly racist fucks who want to use their authority to systematically brutalize the "inferior" race would volunteer for an organization like the SS and such an openly racist regime like the Nazis.
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Thanas wrote:So what? They did not have a policy of exterminating several races.
Yes, but it's not like the Nazis openly advertised that policy. There was never a public announcement saying "Yeah, we're going to exterminate the Jews and all the Slavs we don't need as slave labor". Since pretty much everybody was a racist to some degree in those days, most people were not bothered by just the racism in itself.

Furthermore, there were many people who believed that communism in general and the Soviet Union in particular was a greater threat to the society than Nazism, which explains how the Waffen SS was able to get a fairly large number of non-German volunteer recruits. In other words, the good old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" line of thought. There were even Russians who thought so; not all of the thousands of Russian POWs recruited to German armed forces were forced to do so, and they probably were acutely aware of the fact that the Nazi propaganda considered them racially inferior. Staunchly anti-communist attitudes were even more common among the non-Russian populations of the Soviet Union.
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I am not disputing that, I am arguing against the argument made by Zed. As if the segregation of the US Army would be in any way a mitigating factor when joining the SS, or as if that would somehow mitigate somebody chosing to wear a SS uniform today.
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I'm objecting to the notion that anyone who joined the S.S. automatically supported all the policies and war crimes that were enacted by the Nazis, just as the soldiers who joined the U.S. army didn't necessarily support all the policies and war crimes enacted by the United States. Neither joining the S.S. nor joining the United States Army automatically meant one is a racist, as Stas Bush claims. For plenty of people, fear of communism sufficed - for both members of the S.S. and for members of the U.S. Army.
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Thanas wrote:So what? They did not have a policy of exterminating several races.
Yes, but it's not like the Nazis openly advertised that policy. There was never a public announcement saying "Yeah, we're going to exterminate the Jews and all the Slavs we don't need as slave labor". Since pretty much everybody was a racist to some degree in those days, most people were not bothered by just the racism in itself.
Honestly, yes they did, and yes there was a public announcement. Mein Kampf certainly would qualify. While the methods to do so were not formally listed in the clear, the logical conclusion to the ideas espoused in Mein Kampf would certainly require some manner of depopulation or forced relocation in regard to undesirables.

(EDIT: In retrospect, this feels like a bit of a nitpick on my part, so I'm not going to dig in my heels if someone disagrees.)
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Zed wrote:I'm objecting to the notion that anyone who joined the S.S. automatically supported all the policies and war crimes that were enacted by the Nazis, just as the soldiers who joined the U.S. army didn't necessarily support all the policies and war crimes enacted by the United States. Neither joining the S.S. nor joining the United States Army automatically meant one is a racist, as Stas Bush claims. For plenty of people, fear of communism sufficed - for both members of the S.S. and for members of the U.S. Army.
Yes, but how does that support the characterization of the SS on the group's webpage?
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
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