[Star Wars 888] Dispelling rumors about Michael Jackson

[Bakustra]

Has he always been this upset about it? He's not going to go all Columbine on us, is he?

That is a sick statement, Mr. Phantasee, and I am ashamed at you for carrying my joke to the next level. Get your own material, man, get your own material! :)

[Formless]

And Formless: what the fuck is your point?

His point, as I understand it, is that Testing is home to a clique, presumably because some people who post in Testing turned down his request to sit at their lunch table or something.

More like this. I'll use Marcus Aurelius' analogy. Despite being part of an open forum rather than a private usergroup or site, its treated by its members as an exclusive club with high standards. If they are not met, you can't apparantly participate without it turning into a flamefest (despite people claiming they take nothing seriously there). Pardon me for trying to have a little fun.

Has he always been this upset about it? He's not going to go all Columbine on us, is he?

I live in Colorado. I know people who were affected by that little incident. Go fuck yourself with a tire iron, asshole.

[Phantasee]

Legitimate fear, man. He's accusing people of being in some 'clique' and he's being all aggressive when we try to tell him he's not being very chill and fun. We're not all out to get him, but we can't help him until he helps himself, y'know?

[Formless]

He's accusing people of being in some 'clique' and he's being all aggressive when we try to tell him he's not being very chill and fun.

I'll believe it when you stop behaving like one. This thread is more than enough evidence of what I'm talking about.

[Star Wars 888]

For those of you telling me that this is supposed to be a joke:

1. That still doesn't have anything to do with me allegedly being a "troll"

2. I do have a sense of humor. Some threads are meant to be joke threads. This thread I made with the intention of being a serious DEBATE thread. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have jokes in this thread, but when your entire "argument" is basically a list of jokes with no substance, it isn't appropriate for a DEBATE thread. For a joke thread? Sure, but not for a DEBATE thread.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

I'd just like to make the statement that every time Dalton has posted in this thread I've fallen in love with him just a little bit more. I'll go back to sitting in the audience and watching now, I don't want to miss any of the action.

[Bakustra]

And Formless: what the fuck is your point?

His point, as I understand it, is that Testing is home to a clique, presumably because some people who post in Testing turned down his request to sit at their lunch table or something.

More like this. I'll use Marcus Aurelius' analogy. Despite being part of an open forum rather than a private usergroup or site, its treated by its members as an exclusive club with high standards. If they are not met, you can't apparantly participate without it turning into a flamefest (despite people claiming they take nothing seriously there). Pardon me for trying to have a little fun.

Dude, in the regular forums, if you make stupid statements, you generally get told so. If you get mad about it, people will flame you. In Testing, if you're not all that funny, people will tell you so. If you get mad about it, people will flame and rib and, as you said, bukkake all over you while laughing hysterically. Your reaction was pretty poor, so people kept needling you on it. You just need to accept that sometimes, the joke falls a little flat, and that you need to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and try again later.

But on the other hand, at least you get it better than this dude:

For those of you telling me that this is supposed to be a joke:

1. That still doesn't have anything to do with me allegedly being a "troll"

2. I do have a sense of humor. Some threads are meant to be joke threads. This thread I made with the intention of being a serious DEBATE thread. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have jokes in this thread, but when your entire "argument" is basically a list of jokes with no substance, it isn't appropriate for a DEBATE thread. For a joke thread? Sure, but not for a DEBATE thread.

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

[muse]

2. I do have a sense of humor. Some threads are meant to be joke threads. This thread I made with the intention of being a serious DEBATE thread. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have jokes in this thread, but when your entire "argument" is basically a list of jokes with no substance, it isn't appropriate for a DEBATE thread. For a joke thread? Sure, but not for a DEBATE thread.

yeah yeah yeah whatever. You intended for this to be a debate thread, it was subverted into a joke thread, trying to force it back doesn't work so just go with the flow and roll with it. It's easier that way, and your butt won't hurt as much.

[General Zod]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

It started in OT but got quickly punted to testing where it degenerated into the lovely whine sampling you see now.

[Bakustra]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

It started in OT but got quickly punted to testing where it degenerated into the lovely whine sampling you see now.

See, Formless, you're not the only guy who makes the odd misstep.

[Phantasee]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

Oh, that was nice.

[Broomstick]

The latter and former. Clearly what you don't understand is that this was supposed to be a serious thread, not a joke thread.

The problem with your whole thread is that it implies people here actually believe the rumors to begin with. Since nobody has so much as made a thread about him since he died frankly I'm baffled why you're even bothering and wondering why you think anyone at all on here would take your thread seriously to begin with. The fact that you intended it to be serious counts for precisely fuck all.

It's also pretty harsh in light of a thread like this which has a calm and largely non-judgmental discussion of Mr. Jackson (among others) where we even discussed some of the possible reasons for his odd behavior which, in context, made perfect sense.

We are certainly capable of a serious discussion about MJ, but we're not going to take starry-eyed unquestioning hero worship seriously.

[Star Wars 888]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

Except that I intended for this to be in Off Topic, which seemed to still have some sort of intelligence (although maybe I should have put it in News and Politics). It was moved to Testing NOT BY ME (since I'm not a mod) and eventually to the Hall of Shame.

Basically, in testing, as you yourself seem to agree with, things are reversed; trying to debate rationally gets laughed at, even when the thread is supposed to be a serious thread that was not made with the intention of being in testing.

In other words, my behavior was mockable in the context of the joke of a section called "testing" (which is basically Off Topic on steroids), but I didn't intend for it to go in testing.

It's also pretty harsh in light of a thread like this which has a calm and largely non-judgmental discussion of Mr. Jackson (among others) where we even discussed some of the possible reasons for his odd behavior which, in context, made perfect sense.

We are certainly capable of a serious discussion about MJ, but we're not going to take starry-eyed unquestioning hero worship seriously.

That's actually a good point (although I'm not sure if you intended to support me with this point): my thread topic is reasonable, as shown when Mike Wong and others had a rational discussion.

However, IDK why you call my thread "hero worship". I admitted that Michael Jackson was a strange (strange might be a strong word, maybe odd) person, but that he was a good person (in addition to a very talented performer) and that the rumors directed at him were for the most part bullshit (especially some of the more insane ones such as him being a woman or even him being an alien).

[Formless]

Your reaction was pretty poor, so people kept needling you on it. You just need to accept that sometimes, the joke falls a little flat, and that you need to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and try again later.

If you look back, you might notice that I did try and roll with it several times, starting with "Huh. I guess that would explain a lot." What, was that too subtle or something?

But on the other hand, at least you get it better than this dude:

Indeed, I at least can tell the difference between jokes and actual claims of fact. Of course, that's not saying much I'll agree. :P

[Phantasee]

He's accusing people of being in some 'clique' and he's being all aggressive when we try to tell him he's not being very chill and fun.

I'll believe it when you stop behaving like one. This thread is more than enough evidence of what I'm talking about.

Who else is in my 'clique'?


PS Sorry about the Columbine comment. It was a pretty common 'thing' we tossed around when I was in school (partly to make distasteful jokes as teens do, and partly to remind everyone).

[Dalton]

If you're going to be a despot, you might as well be a benevolent one.

Don't presume to dictate to me how I should do my job.

Strawman. I wasn't comparing you to a slave owner. I was explaining how the "self evident" argument is a logical fallacy in which one can basically use to make any random absurd claim (such as a race being inferior, the world being flat, the sky being red or some other ridiculous claim) and then claim that it's "self evident" (or "obvious").

Ah, I see, more lawyering. Do you think this helps your case? Do you believe that trying to claim the Admin is using a logical fallacy will make his ban-power useless? I think you'll find that your tactics here are less than useless, because this isn't where I have to prove that you are a trolling douchebag. That's already been proven in other threads, and based upon the evidence that I've seen, I have rendered judgment. See, this here is where I tell you that you are going to be banned, very soon, because you think you can throw the rules in my face and continue trolling this board.

Mike also states that he tolerates flaming, but that you have to actually back up your claims.

Back it up. Show me the rule. You want to be a lawyer? You want to put words in Mike's mouth? Show your evidence.

Please just explain to me how I was trolling. I made a perfectly reasonable thread and started out with listing reasonable and valid arguments with the noble intention of clearing (well, his name has already been largely cleared for most people) someone's name. If you don't like it, then close it. I'm still new here, so give me a break. However, to keep on calling me a troll without providing any evidence for it is hypocritical in nature.

Oh please, enough of your pithy "woe is me" martyr crap. You've been a net-negative drain on the collective IQ of this board since you joined. That 29 page thread I linked to above, again, had more than one moderator call for your head, a part I noticed you conveniently ignored. In fact, the more "noble" and self-sacrificing you become, the more I am going to flame and insult you for being an obnoxious, sniveling toadie.

[Formless]

Who else is in my 'clique'?

Don't play this feigned ignorance game with me, pal. We both know about "New Testingistan," and we both know who here goes there.

PS Sorry about the Columbine comment. It was a pretty common 'thing' we tossed around when I was in school (partly to make distasteful jokes as teens do, and partly to remind everyone).

Apology accepted.

[Broomstick]

1. That doesn't prove anything. Surely are you claiming that every rich guy is bad based on that logic?
2. Bill Gates is also a good person (based on what we can tell), and MJ donated a larger percentage of his money than Gates did. Also, Michael Jackson advocated for change in his songs.

And Bill Gates is trying to cure fucking malaria - that doesn't make him a saint.

Is a rich person who donates money better than a rich person who doesn't donate? Well, maybe, certainly in the area of charity they are, but one can be an asshole AND give generously to various causes. They aren't mutually exclusive.

4. My point is that those that actually met him typically have a positive view of him.

Except, of course, those who knew who then turned around and accused him of child molestation... of course, those might have been bad people intent on blackmail but that still overturns your assertion that to know him is to love him.

[Spoonist]

Except that I intended for this to be in Off Topic, which seemed to still have some sort of intelligence (although maybe I should have put it in News and Politics). It was moved to Testing NOT BY ME (since I'm not a mod) and eventually to the Hall of Shame.

Here is an actual, non satire, tip to the wannabee-newbee.
If your topic was moved to testing by a mod, stop posting in it, you can only make it worse.
which is the same tip I'll give you now, stop posting, you can only make it worse.


Edit: oops, too late, didn't see Dalton's post behind Broomy's.

[General Zod]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

It started in OT but got quickly punted to testing where it degenerated into the lovely whine sampling you see now.

See, Formless, you're not the only guy who makes the odd misstep.

I agree, your post wasn't very funny. :P

[Bakustra]

What are you talking about, this was Testing, and now it is the HoS. This isn't HIStory or something.

Except that I intended for this to be in Off Topic, which seemed to still have some sort of intelligence (although maybe I should have put it in News and Politics). It was moved to Testing NOT BY ME (since I'm not a mod) and eventually to the Hall of Shame.

Basically, in testing, as you yourself seem to agree with, things are reversed; trying to debate rationally gets laughed at, even when the thread is supposed to be a serious thread that was not made with the intention of being in testing.

In other words, my behavior was mockable in the context of the joke of a section called "testing" (which is basically Off Topic on steroids), but I didn't intend for it to go in testing.

Oh, man, you have no idea how wrong you are. I'm half expecting Captain EO to moonwalk on down and smack you with his gloved hand for this.

Testing is a humor forum, generally. There are serious threads, and serious moments, and serious, intelligent discussion, sometimes, but in general it's the 24-hour comedy club for SDNet to blow off some steam and laugh a little. (Thanas' Germaine O'Pressa act has been running for a while now, and it never gets old.) Now, the thing is, this was moved there for a reason. There was one reason given by the moderators above, but here's the secret reason I believe to exist. They moved it there so that you could grow a sense of humor. That has failed, as your inability to get any joke involving Jack-o has shown. Now it's been moved as desperate measures, but this stage of treatment appears to be failing. The post above shows what the third stage will be: excision.

[Bakustra]

Who else is in my 'clique'?

Don't play this feigned ignorance game with me, pal. We both know about "New Testingistan," and we both know who here goes there.

PS Sorry about the Columbine comment. It was a pretty common 'thing' we tossed around when I was in school (partly to make distasteful jokes as teens do, and partly to remind everyone).

Apology accepted.

Jesus Christ, man, just let it go.

See, Formless, you're not the only guy who makes the odd misstep.

I agree, your post wasn't very funny. :P

Yeah, well, at least I've never used the terms "epic fail" or "lurk moar". :smuggo:

[Broomstick]

A single mod "called me out", but failed to give any evidence to support his/her claim. I do not believe people who can't back up their claims. If you have something against me, prove it and I'll believe you. But just saying it doesn't have any substance.

There's this secret, magical place where the moderators meet and talk about all the trolls and fuckwits they have to deal with. Sadly, you can't see it, since you're one of those trolls/fuckwits we talk about and thus I can't go about giving you proof that there are several Moderators who want to ban your sorry ass. But hey, if you want proof, fine: would any Moderators who would like to see Mr. "Show Me Evidence That I Am A Trolling Fuckwit" banned, please feel free to speak up.

Does that include mini-mods with a limited scope?

You know, prior to this thread I didn't know who 'TardWars### was and thus would have been neutral but the needle on my tolerance meter keeping sliding towards "ban" with every additional page.

[Phantasee]

Who else is in my 'clique'?

Don't play this feigned ignorance game with me, pal. We both know about "New Testingistan," and we both know who here goes there.

I'm not your pal, friend.

As for this "New Testingstan," I don't know what you're talking about. So what if some people from here post there? I know several users that post on Spacebattles, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of you fucking assholes post on YouTube video comments (fuck you!). What does that have to do with anything I do here?

[Phantasee]

Man, Bakustra, you're an even bigger MJ fan than I am! In fact, you've probably got me and SW88 beat!