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Some voters in Boulder City complained on Monday that their ballot had been cast before they went to the polls, raising questions about Clark County's electronic voting machines.

Voter Joyce Ferrara said when they went to vote for Republican Sharron Angle, her Democratic opponent, Sen. Harry Reid's name was already checked.

Ferrara said she wasn't alone in her voting experience. She said her husband and several others voting at the same time all had the same thing happen.

"Something's not right," Ferrara said. "One person that's a fluke. Two, that's strange. But several within a five minute period of time -- that's wrong."

Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said there is no voter fraud, although the issues do come up because the touch-screens are sensitive. For that reason, a person may not want to have their fingers linger too long on the screen after they make a selection at any time.

"Especially in a community with elderly citizens (they have) difficulty in (casting their) ballot," Lomax said. "Team leaders said there were complaints (and the) race filled in."

At any time, voters can go back on the screen and review their selections. They are also allowed to make changes and encouraged to double-check their ballot on screen and on paper before it is cast.

Lomax said claims the machines were altered in any way were “patently false” and said at no time did any of those voters report the incident to staff at their polling location.

“In fact, although over 160,000 people have voted early in Clark County, those allegations that have been made have gone directly to the media as opposed to election board officers,” he said.
The Washington Examiner had some interesting thoughts about who's in charge of the machines.

Similar problems in North Carolina as well.
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Boy, it's a bad thing that these voters quickly recognized that the voting technicians were all part of the Leftist Commando Brigade, and so neglected to inform the voting technicians about problems with their machines, and instead went straight to the press, who reported it with the minimum of criticality and references to the faked stories about Diebold machines. Thankfully, our brave boys and girls, when approached by more credulous citizens, faked concern and helpfulness, providing them with "assistance" while recording their names for the UN Black Helicopter force.

So apparently machines malfunctioning is a conspiracy when it benefits Democrats, but the same conclusion is erroneous when it benefits Republicans. All because of the unions. Hm.
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I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.
She should not be in the US Senate, no. But I would -- on principle -- rather let the people vote in the odd crackpot fairly than subvert the democratic process by rigging the voting equipment. Mind you, I don't live in Nevada, so I have no stake in the outcome of that election, and can therefore be philosophical about the results.
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I bet all the people that would die from lack of insurance coverage would agree with you.
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Chaotic Neutral wrote:I bet all the people that would die from lack of insurance coverage would agree with you.
Does that justify overthrowing democracy?
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That's not what she said. She hopes they're being rigged so that there's a scandal, sounds like.
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Perhaps even a stupid computer knows not to vote for a retard like Angle. :)

Jest aside, these electronic machines need to be banned already.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.
God no. I hope they aren't rigged. Whether we like it or not, democratic voting is a fundamental element of our society. We should never encourage disruption or even outright fraud to the system. Voter fraud should be one of the most severe crimes imaginable in a democratic society in my book. Never a slap on the wrist.

Its arguments like yours that people make on the flip side when it comes to make DC a state. Can't make DC a state because it gives the Democrats two more senators. Fuck the people, screw honesty. Lets allow politics to be more important.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.
God no. I hope they aren't rigged. Whether we like it or not, democratic voting is a fundamental element of our society. We should never encourage disruption or even outright fraud to the system. Voter fraud should be one of the most severe crimes imaginable in a democratic society in my book. Never a slap on the wrist.

Its arguments like yours that people make on the flip side when it comes to make DC a state. Can't make DC a state because it gives the Democrats two more senators. Fuck the people, screw honesty. Lets allow politics to be more important.
It's not hard to see how the Duchess can feel that way, though.

After years of bitter disappointment and feeling my patriotic spirit and belief in democracy die a little bit at a time over the past, oh, decade or so, it's easy to see how such a thought can be seductive. Even moreso when you're staring in the face of the fact that the 'other side' is deepthroatedly pursuing policies that are clear and present dangers to one's self.

It's easy to think "fuck 'em, this country would be so much better off if the next few elections wound up as democrat sweeps by means fair or foul," or even to wish "fuck this politician bullshit, we need someone to get things done." It's an easy, seductive line of thought. Honestly, I can't say I think she's wrong.

Is democracy worth a smear of crap on a corn cob if it elects cloaca-breathing evolutionary throwback (and yes, I know damn well what a cloaca is) who's going to materially harm the people the country with her insane ideological views? Terms like "danger to self and others" come to mind, as does the concept of legal incompetency - is it possible for a voting population in aggregate to be considered incompetent? Legally, no, but frankly it's like that fundietarded chick from Delaware, or Yukon Barbie - most sane people would reasonably think anyone who'd consider voting for them must have a hole in their head.

I guess in the end, the question is this: Is democracy, as a principle, worth so much that it's worth destroying, or allowing to be destroyed, the people it's supposedly there to protect and empower?
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Yes, it is. I would rather lose honestly than win through fraud.

Do you know what acceptance of such actions would lead to? Do you really want Chicago Politics to spread to the entire country? Oh no. The pure vision of voter fraud only for good will quickly be taken over by special interests with more money than you to manipulate the system for their own petty greed.
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So, Alyeska, where do you draw the line? If you were in the German electoral authority in 1933 would you indulge in a little ballot box stuffing? Or would it still be a time to stick to your principles even then? I am in no way saying Sharon Angle is as bad as the Nazis, but if you believe that, I want to know where you draw the line at which the negative ethical and moral consequences of allowing democratic government to function outweigh the principle of democracy.
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How many fucking years have electronic voting machines been in place and this shit is still an issue? How hard is it to demand a system that can be inspected and verified - by observers both in and out of the system, partisan, nonpartisan, whatever - that the god damn machine hasn't been rigged?
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Uraniun235 wrote:How many fucking years have electronic voting machines been in place and this shit is still an issue? How hard is it to demand a system that can be inspected and verified - by observers both in and out of the system, partisan, nonpartisan, whatever - that the god damn machine hasn't been rigged?
Simple. Just ask the slot machine companies to do it.
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Questor wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:How many fucking years have electronic voting machines been in place and this shit is still an issue? How hard is it to demand a system that can be inspected and verified - by observers both in and out of the system, partisan, nonpartisan, whatever - that the god damn machine hasn't been rigged?
Simple. Just ask the slot machine companies to do it.
As much money as they're spending on machines that have constant "calibration" issues they should just replace the kiosks with a bunch of iPads and a homebrew app to count votes. It's not like counting votes is hard or anything.
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Questor wrote:Simple. Just ask the slot machine companies to do it.
Voting machines are very often made by people who manufacture ATMs. The problem isn't the lack of know-how. It's easy to make a full proof voting machine. The last round of this nonsense that happened during the 2008 elections... and the 2006 elections.. and so on... people were straight up in how easy it is to make a voting machine.

That's why its always dueced odd when they seem to have these mysterious "bugs".
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:So, Alyeska, where do you draw the line? If you were in the German electoral authority in 1933 would you indulge in a little ballot box stuffing? Or would it still be a time to stick to your principles even then? I am in no way saying Sharon Angle is as bad as the Nazis, but if you believe that, I want to know where you draw the line at which the negative ethical and moral consequences of allowing democratic government to function outweigh the principle of democracy.
There was no need to throw the Nazis in there, especially not with a terrible example like the 1933 elections, where in the first one the NSDAP did everything bar stuffing ballot boxes, including imprisoning opposing candidates, and in the second one the NSDAP was the only party running. Germany got fucked by the top end of town entertaining foolish beliefs in their ability to be Hitler's puppetmaster, especially on the part of Franz von Papen.
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The point was rhetorical, not literal -- though, between the literal violent curb-stomping of liberal activists at teabagger political rallies and bearing of firearms at similar events, one wonders precisely how far from civilized discourse American politics is in fact getting.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.

The dumbshit who said that actually lost the primary to Angle. Angle is the "second amendment solutions" nutbar.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I hope they're being rigged. A woman who thinks eliminating health insurance and having everyone barter with their doctors using chickens is a good idea should not be in the US Senate.

The dumbshit who said that actually lost the primary to Angle. Angle is the "second amendment solutions" nutbar.

Well, that's my mistake then, and a considerable degree of the rhetorical concern over the election deflated. This IS wrong, in the sense that people should be allowed to vote fairly. And, anyway, I should really just stop following this, because there's so much batshit nuttery in this election that I can't keep track of it anymore.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm with you, Duchess. I plan on watching dvds of Stargate: SG1 on a loop for the next 6 days.
Are you kidding? I'm not even voting in your elections, and I find them endlessly entertaining. I really can't believe that any of the more extreme "Tea Party" wingnuts will actually get in, but it's watching them try that makes it funny.
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It's a bit more psychically exhausting when you realize that you might actually wind up governed by them.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:So, Alyeska, where do you draw the line? If you were in the German electoral authority in 1933 would you indulge in a little ballot box stuffing? Or would it still be a time to stick to your principles even then? I am in no way saying Sharon Angle is as bad as the Nazis, but if you believe that, I want to know where you draw the line at which the negative ethical and moral consequences of allowing democratic government to function outweigh the principle of democracy.
Fraud begets more fraud. It will get worse, not better. Corruption will over take simply because corruption is required to commit fraud in the first place. Pure goals will not last.

You live in a fantasy and you are making bad arguments to support your views.

Knowing your argument, you would actively deny DC a right to vote if they simply got republican senators. Your argument is being used by Ann Coulter. She wants the right for women to vote to be taken away just to stop them from voting for Democrats. Because its better that way.
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Simon_Jester wrote:It's a bit more psychically exhausting when you realize that you might actually wind up governed by them.
Even I have greater respect for your countrymen than that. I can't imagine the serious voter who would intentionally vote for an O'Donnell, or an Angle.
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