Who should had won the Kravuva campaign(Soulstorm)

[PainRack]

So, we know the Space Marines don't win it, or at least, not in the manner depicted in Soulstorm ending.

Give your opinion on who should have won.

In my guess, Gorgutz. For one, there's the Dark crusade "Gorgutz escaped to make more trouble for Imperials" ending and apart from the Necrons/Chaos, they're the ones most likely to have brought in the most forces.
Chaos get ruled out because we have no inkling of a lasting warpstorm and the heresy on kravuva was apparently covert/small scale enough that nobody realised they caused the warpstorm well after the other game endings.

[Chris OFarrell]

The Inquisistion.

Because they would have had a gleeful amount of fun bashing the heads of the Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle around, for fighting each other instead of the Xenos and Heretics a plenty.

Honestly though, I would say either the Necrons or the "Imperium". The former because if they are actually making a real fight of it and not just hitting and running, and have a local TOMB WORLD to base from, well, unless one of the navies around brought a planet killer in, this is going to be a rather big problem. The later because with 3 factions with significant forces on world, they can at least probably agree to put aside their differences with each other to smite the enemies of the Emperor in His glorious name....THEN they can start screaming HERETIC! and opening fire over questions of if you genuflect towards the Aquila on your left or right knee...

[Purple]

As said, the inquisition.
Now, I don't know anything about it more than what I plaid in the game. But from the situation in the game, the most logical conclusion would have been that at some point the tomb world awoke properly and the inquisition pulled another Cyrene*.

*for those not acquainted with the situation of Cyrene, play DOW1, no expansions.

[Stravo]

I could be wrong about this but I think the "official" line is that the Guard won the campaign and I could see it. They already were in place and everyone else but the Necrons were coming in from outside the system to take a piece while the Guard had been established there for some time. Add in the massive Baneblade production facilities on Koruva 1 and you have a nice formula for eventual success.

Gorgutz I think was hampered by the inept Orks he was leading, if you look at the cinematic when you storm his stronghold those "officers" of his are pretty much dummies. The Orks he was leading were the wild Orks who have been living in those mountains forever and not a hard core Waagh like the one he led in DoW 1.

If anyone else was going to take it, it would be the Necrons in that campaign. I did not like Soulstorm nearly as much as I enjoyed Dark Crusade.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Well we know the Spehss Mahreens didn't win, as they made it canon that Boreale died at Kaurava in the name of the Empra.

But I'm pretty sure the IG lost it as Ursarkar Creed took Stubb's one-hundred Baneblades and used them for scouts.

I'd have to say I think the- METAL BAWKSES!!!! THE FEWLS!!! We should take away their METAL BAWKSES!

[PainRack]

The Sisters of Battle are going to get screwed no matter what they do since in any plausible universe, the Ordo Hereticus is going to stomp down on SoB fighting Space Marines.

Still, if we postulate that the SoB were more interested in pursuing heretics than anything, and the Blood Ravens are under suspicion for heresy due to what they did on Tartarus....

[Agent Sorchus]

I actually think that the Dark Eldar would have won. Of all of the forces they might just have the closest reinforcements to fight the Necrons, and they were the most powerful of all the kabals.

Plus the Dark Eldar ending is just a little foot note in the history of the galaxy, whereas most the rest of the forces imply that their endings actually change the universe. (Not really for most of them, but like someone else noted a warp storm would actually change things.)

[PainRack]

I actually think that the Dark Eldar would have won. Of all of the forces they might just have the closest reinforcements to fight the Necrons, and they were the most powerful of all the kabals.

Plus the Dark Eldar ending is just a little foot note in the history of the galaxy, whereas most the rest of the forces imply that their endings actually change the universe. (Not really for most of them, but like someone else noted a warp storm would actually change things.)

What about the Eldar?

[Agent Sorchus]

From one craft world, so they would've been more casualty averse. It is possible but not likely in my mind. (Especially since the recent designers videos on Dark Eldar they really wouldn't be casualty averse. See here if you haven't seen it yet. edit that is the first of two and the second includes the quite I am referring to.)

[Metahive]

First, the name of the system is Kaurava, not Kravuva. Yeah, I am a nitpicky pedant, sue me.

Second, who else than the Imperial Army should have won? Have you forgotten that they can churn out dozens over dozens of Baneblade tanks at will? Spam those mofos through the warpgates, rush the enemy positions, done. Military spend thrift FTW!

[Ritterin Sophia]

Have you forgotten that they can churn out dozens over dozens of Baneblade tanks at will?

And lose them all.

[Metahive]

...to a competent player. Which fortunately none of the other factions are. Pure, brute strength is a very viable option here.

[Vendetta]

Well we know the Spehss Mahreens didn't win, as they made it canon that Boreale died at Kaurava in the name of the Empra.

They also made it canon that we shall never speak of this again.

[Ritterin Sophia]

...to a competent player.

Actually no, the Commissar even states that they were sent to other places in the Kaurava system, somehow without Stubbs' knowing, meaning they're lost and unavailable.

[Metahive]

A so, then the Kaurava systems seems to be indeed some kind of dumping place for incompetent nitwits who can't even win with unlimited amounts of supertanks at their disposal. Where else would there be a detachment of the hush-hush, shadowy-shadowy Alpha Legion being lead by someone who acts like a friggin' World Eater?
The IG stronghold is still the hardest nut to crack I daresay.

[Ritterin Sophia]

A so, then the Kaurava systems seems to be indeed some kind of dumping place for incompetent nitwits who can't even win with unlimited amounts of supertanks at their disposal. Where else would there be a detachment of the hush-hush, shadowy-shadowy Alpha Legion being lead by someone who acts like a friggin' World Eater?

Well to be fair I'm pretty sure Ursarkar Creed was involved in their disappearance, I mean who else but a Tactical Genius could sneak out one-hundred Baneblades?

The IG stronghold is still the hardest nut to crack I daresay.

No dude, fucking Taullujah was the toughest.

[Metahive]

Which one is that? The Tau one? Well, compared to the hair-pullingly EVIL stronghold they held on Kronos, I found this one to be rather doable, Ar'ka cannon or not. Strongholds I had problems with were the Sororitas and Chaos one, if only for the cheap gimmicks employed there.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Which one is that? The Tau one? Well, compared to the hair-pullingly EVIL stronghold they held on Kronos, I found this one to be rather doable, Ar'ka cannon or not. Strongholds I had problems with were the Sororitas and Chaos one, if only for the cheap gimmicks employed there.

Oh wait nevermind, getting my Tau Strongholds confused now.

[OmegaChief]

Personally I think everyone lost, as the bunch of idiotic commanders all killed each other leaving perhaps two guardsmen and a Space Marine scout to look over the wreckage and vow to never speak of it again.

[Vendetta]

Personally I think everyone lost, as the bunch of idiotic commanders all killed each other leaving perhaps two guardsmen and a Space Marine scout to look over the wreckage and vow to never speak of it again.

This is exactly what did happen. At one point in Dawn of War 2 Cyrus says that the Kaurava campaign was a total disaster and that we shall not speak of this again.

Well to be fair I'm pretty sure Ursarkar Creed was involved in their disappearance, I mean who else but a Tactical Genius could sneak out one-hundred Baneblades?

Please.. Vance Motherfucking Stubbs can lose a hundred Baneblades down the back of his sofa.

[PainRack]

Is there ANY way to tweak the Baneblade production number back to established canon? The only other indication I seen of such high production rate was Fortis Binary, where the Tanith came under a sustained artillery bombardment from a large number of unspecificed leviathians.

[NecronLord]

Is there ANY way to tweak the Baneblade production number back to established canon? The only other indication I seen of such high production rate was Fortis Binary, where the Tanith came under a sustained artillery bombardment from a large number ofunspecificed leviathians.

It's not unreasonable at all. Volistad had a tank factory capable of deploying at the absolute least five Shadowswords in a day and probably many, many more. The idea that Kaurava can produce a hundred over the campaign is easily within those limits; the backstory spreads over more than twenty days, after all. And the Baneblade is a less complicated design.

[PainRack]

Where did you get the 5 shaowsword a day bit?

The majority of Baneblades are supposed to be constructed by Mars afterall, with other Forge worlds fielding lesser numbers with corrupted designs.

Mars is probably the only planet which can build hundreds of baneblades in a day.....

[NecronLord]

Where did you get the 5 shaowsword a day bit?

The video I linked depicts this happening immediately after you capture the factory, in the same campaign turn, and shows at least five shadowswords just rolling out of the thing.

The majority of Baneblades are supposed to be constructed by Mars afterall, with other Forge worlds fielding lesser numbers with corrupted designs.

Mars is probably the only planet which can build hundreds of baneblades in a day.....

Nothing whatsoever limits the number that may be produced. Mars could easily produce a hundred million per hour, for all we know. In the 41st Millennium, it is an automated ecumenopolis.

[PainRack]

The video I linked depicts this happening immediately after you capture the factory, in the same campaign turn, and shows at least five shadowswords just rolling out of the thing.

Other than the scaling issue, that's a bit of a red herring. What it shows is that there were 5 shadowswords on planet. IIRC, the game only allowed you to deploy 3 anyway.

Nothing whatsoever limits the number that may be produced. Mars could easily produce a hundred million per hour, for all we know. In the 41st Millennium, it is an automated ecumenopolis.

A hundred million, yet out of the billions of guardsmen out there, a regiment is lucky to have more than 1 baneblade.