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Oil shocks are good for the economy

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To summarize, researchers from the US Federal Reserve have concluded that an oil price shock in a zero interest rate environment will create inflation, boost business activity in sectors which are interest rate sensitive (meaning the financial sector) and increase GDP. Yes, you read that right. The Fed is completely off the rocker.

I shall provide a link to the paper and an excerpt from the introduction.

Oil Shocks and the Zero Bound on Nominal Interest Rates
A key finding of our analysis is that oil price shocks propagate differently when policy rates in the oil importing
country are at the zero lower bound. In particular, we show that the zero lower bound
constraint tends to diminish rather than amplify the fall in GDP that occurs in response to
higher oil prices in normal times when monetary policy is unconstrained by the zero lower
bound.

To understand this result, consider the effects of a shock that raises the demand for oil
by foreigners, pushing up the price of oil in the home, oil-importing country. When
monetary policy is unconstrained, this shock tends to push up inflation and reduce output in
the home country. When policy rates are at the zero lower bound, the higher inflation
induced by the shock can lead to lower real rates, stimulating the interest-sensitive sectors of
the economy, and offsetting the usual contractionary effects of the shock. In fact, if the
increase in oil prices occurs gradually, it can induce a persistent rise in inflation that might
even cause GDP to expand temporarily.

And now for the commentary, from the Zero Hedge blog
In a self-immolating exercise in reductio ad absurdum, this superficial reasoning has led the Fed right up against the so-called 'zero-bound" in nominal rates (one which a dedicated inflationist could, in any case, make a great deal less constraining if $1 trillion in excess bank reserves did not accrued positive interest). Ergo, the only way the Doves feel they can deliver more "stimulus" via lower real rates is (a) to force down yields at longer and longer maturities - and rational capital allocation and return on invested income, go hang! - or (b) to push up either the rate of price appreciation itself, or, at the least, expectations thereof. Nominal rates down and/or prices up = real rates down -> spending up is the alpha and omega of their plan.

This last has even been taken to the ludicrous extremes that an FRB discussion paper last month, entitled 'Oil shocks and the Zero Bound, purports to argue that while higher oil prices normally lower output by pushing up inflation, once under conditions of ZIRP, the higher oil price raises inflation expectations, reduces the prospective real interest rate, and therefore stimulates the interest-rate sensitive parts of the economy!!!!

Oh, Brave New World! Here we are supposed to concur in the notion that a man whose job is at risk because his employer can no longer afford the dearer diesel he needs to run the factory, and whose commute to that work has suddenly become that much more expensive, too, will be inspired both by this heightened anxiety for his livelihood, as well as by his shrunken disposable cash flow, to take out a loan - which he would otherwise never have countenanced contracting - in order to buy a newly-built house at his lower real yield!!!!

Additionally, in this Bread from Stones scenario, we are supposed to imagine that an erstwhile despairing entrepreneur gets out of bed one morning and cries, "Hallelujah! The cost of coffee is up, cotton prices are surging, copper wire has just become exorbitant - I better go start a business before it's too late!"
In confounding cause with effect, in sacrificing the micro to the macro, in falling victim to any number of category errors and logical non sequiturs; in pursuing, with unthinking mathematical rigour, a set of utterly unreasonable premises to the point of an untenable - indeed, a highly damaging-conclusion, we have a prime example of everything that is wrong in mainstream economics and a glaring illumination of why the state interference which this typically seeks to justify has proven so counter-productive to this-or, indeed, to any other recovery of the past 80 years.

Perniciously, Mssrs Bodenstein, Guerrieri, and Gust even argue that the increasing material scarcity of an oil "shock" can be even more effective at dissolving the 'zero-bound'-and so-err-lessening the general material scarcity being suffered in the slump- if the price rise progresses at such a steady pace that people expect it to continue for some fairly protracted period and if the monetary authority now makes it unequivocally clear that it will not respond to this rise in its habitual manner.

In other words, this strongly insinuates that the Bernanke Fed actually welcomes the current surge in the prices of many of the staples of everyday life; that it actually exults in the drain being exerted on family budgets; that it revels in the squeeze on profit margins being suffered by already-struggling small businesses, because it imagines this will serve to lower the reckoning of the ethereal construct of a generalized, future real real interest rate and that this alone will serve to shower riches upon all who are presently suffering, in comparison for the present woes.

Pushing this line of argument up to the hilt, it also leads to the idea that the Fed-having already stretched credulity by consulting the less than disinterested counsel of the primary dealers regarding the size of its next assault on the free market-should also start buying baskets of commodities! Truly, that way madness lies-the madness of Wallace and Warren and Roosevelt's depression-prolonging circus of restrictionist and inflationist cranks.
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Maybe those knuckleheads are actually trying to get the Fed disbanded by saying and doing enough patently stupid things.
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Yes, ZeroHedge is a fun read, but are you CCing this here just to bait the (few lingering) Peak Oil enthusiasts?
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Starglider wrote:Yes, ZeroHedge is a fun read, but are you CCing this here just to bait the (few lingering) Peak Oil enthusiasts?
She's baiting herself?
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No matter whether the analysis is correct, it takes a special kind of callousness to tell people "your suffering is good for the economy".
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Funny how it's always those who aren't suffering who talk about how good it is...
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And so the Zero Hedge position is... let's not even take the modest action we presently are to offset deflation*, because hyperinflation is the REAL BOOGIEMAN here? I may not agree with where the Fed is trying to inject stimulus, but we're not exactly at risk of 15 and 20% market-basket increases here.

That said, taking the mathematics of "oil shocks in the current situation may be less bad than otherwise" to "oil shocks in the current situation are good" strikes me as equally dubious. I'd have to sit down and look at the paper, but it's not like the Fed has never produced counterproductive theoretical wankery.

* - current inflation rates are well BELOW historical averages in most everything except fuel oils, and likewise well below what current deficit rates and suchlike would suggest.
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To be fair, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. These yahoo's make their money off of finding new places to invent money and reap a reward. We shouldn't be too surprised they're still at it.
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Thanas wrote:No matter whether the analysis is correct, it takes a special kind of callousness to tell people "your suffering is good for the economy".
It's actually worse since as a direct effect of the Fed's policies, the prices of various essential commodities such as oil, wheat, corn, oats, copper, and soybeans have gone up 50-80% in the past year or so. By adopting a zero interest rate policy and printing money, the Fed forces market participants into putting their money in physical assets such as commodities and precious metals to avoid the inflation threat & dollar devaluation losses.

The analysis is also incorrect in that it neglects the effects of debt saturation. The Fed thinks that by playing with the real interest rates it can goose the economy and get it moving again, the theory being a low enough real rate will make people spend and take out loans. The problem is everyone is already maxed out on loans regardless of what the interest rate happens to be and there's no ability nor willingness to spend which isn't going to be changed by some make believe numbers. Which means everyone gets poorer, except the Too Big To Fail banks. Carrying out this policy would actually crash the economy faster than doing nothing.
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J wrote:
Thanas wrote:No matter whether the analysis is correct, it takes a special kind of callousness to tell people "your suffering is good for the economy".
It's actually worse since as a direct effect of the Fed's policies, the prices of various essential commodities such as oil, wheat, corn, oats, copper, and soybeans have gone up 50-80% in the past year or so. By adopting a zero interest rate policy and printing money, the Fed forces market participants into putting their money in physical assets such as commodities and precious metals to avoid the inflation threat & dollar devaluation losses.

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Those prices haven't risen that much for the average consumer (my grocery bill is w/i 10% of what it was since I started living on my own) on a daily basis. That combined with the collapse of the housing bubble (my rent has dropped by almost 30% even tho I started renting after the bubble burst) is keeping the consumers from getting fucked over for the moment.

I do suspect that is a state that won't last if they keep the real interest rate effectively 0 indefinitely tho.
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ShadowOfMadness: what SHOULD the Fed be doing, in your opinion?

J's explicitly stated that doing nothing would be preferable to the current extremely-slightly inflationary policy. I might argue that later, but it's possible he's correct; I think the Fed's doing the wrong thing in the right way here, but if they're doing basically no good the fact that they're doing basically no harm is kinda irrelevant.

Personal opinion: they should be advising the Congress that it can reasonably afford to print hundreds of trillions of dollars more, because we're still at serious risk of deflation with the interest rate unable to be sanely decreased further and other countries still net increasing their dollar holdings, among other factors; and that said money should be dropped into infrastructure (transportation, electric, internet, and otherwise) and any other low-risk and/or public-good investments.
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Fake edit: apparently I didn't read J's title and she is female, sorry.
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