Best soldier that can be created by 40k

[IvanTih]

I imagine that the soldier would be a powerful psyker with the Necrodermis armor(or with bionics made from it),armed with D-cannon and C'tan Phase weapon(or force weapon).

[Stark]

Are you asking people to munchkin 40k for you?

[Lord Relvenous]

Looks like. Maybe he'll regale us with posts of Jedi Knight Paul Maud'Dip Skywalker the Super Death Star God-Emperor Big Boss Abbadon of the Necons if we do it.

Really though man, a more interesting question would be what are the deadliest troops each faction can create, as that at least doesn't go "little bit of this, little bit of that...". Not to say that would be a new literary classic, but at least it would have worth.

[Lord Relvenous]

Oh jesus... phone double post.

[IvanTih]

Looks like. Maybe he'll regale us with posts of Jedi Knight Paul Maud'Dip Skywalker the Super Death Star God-Emperor Big Boss Abbadon of the Necons if we do it.

Really though man, a more interesting question would be what are the deadliest troops each faction can create, as that at least doesn't go "little bit of this, little bit of that...". Not to say that would be a new literary classic, but at least it would have worth.

Well since you ask.
For the IoM I think that the most deadliest troops they can produce are the power armored and heavily enhaced Skitarii or the Librarian Space Marine.
For the Eldar I think that Phoenix Lords are their deadliest troops.
Enough for the begining?
Also can the name of the thread be changed to "Deadliest troops that each factions of 40k can produce".

[Lord Relvenous]

Let me help you try to salvage the thread.

Well since you ask.
For the IoM I think that the most deadliest troops they can produce are the power armored and heavily enhaced Skitarii or the Librarian Space Marine.
For the Eldar I think that Phoenix Lords are their deadliest troops.

Armed and armored with what? Why do you think they are the deadliest? What bonuses do they have over other options? Do they have any weaknesses the faction cannot compensate for with equipment? All these questions give us more to discuss.

Enough for the begining?
Also can the name of the thread be changed to "Deadliest troops that each factions of 40k can produce".

Anyone can post a list of things. The real discussion of a thread comes when you explain your reasons, That way, people have more to respond to then "Nuh-uh, I think [this]".

[Darth Tanner]

power armored and heavily enhaced Skitarii

Skitarii don't wear power armour do they? Thought they wear carpace as standard.

[Sinewmire]

For the IoM I think that the most deadliest troops they can produce are the power armored and heavily enhaced Skitarii or the Librarian Space Marine.
For the Eldar I think that Phoenix Lords are their deadliest troops.
Enough for the begining?
Also can the name of the thread be changed to "Deadliest troops that each factions of 40k can produce".

The Skitarii do not wear power armour, they wear carapace armour. They're mass-produced and the Mechanicum work the percentages of cost/effectiveness just like everyone else. Being the gatekeepers of mechanised industry, Carapace and suchlike are cheaper to produce, so are cost-effective.

The Imperium's best troops, specifically Infantry soldiers, are probably the Adeptus Custodes. They're basically Master-Crafted Space Marines, though their equipment was largely siphoned off to the Grey Knights, the Daemonhunters, now that the Custodes Garrison the Emperor's palace. It's said they are As far above Space Marines as Space Marines are above men, and they kick a lot of arse in The First Heretic. Their weakness is they fight as individuals rather than as a unit, whether alone or co-operating with others. Personally I feel their punch would be upped by equipping them with meltaguns. Troops like these aren't used for mass cullings, it'd be a waste, so fewer shots-per-minute with a higher stopping power would improve them. I seem to recall Custodes in Terminator Armour in the Visions of Heresy books, too.

The Eldar's best troops? Very debateable. The Pheonix Lords aren't troops, they are a group of individuals, there's what, 8 of them? I suppose realistically speaking that Dark Reapers would probably fit the bill, each trooper being equipped with a long range rapid-firing missile launcher, with suits of powered armour including horrifically complicated motion predictors and guidance systems. Their weakness is their immobility - they tend to set up a position and then hose everything down in explodeyness from there, meaning they can be bracketed or out-maneuvered. Reaper Launchers, their main weapons, have been downgraded recently to fire antipersonnel munitions, but the original Dark Reapers ALL had normal missile launchers fitted with FRAG shrapnel rounds and KRAK armour piercing rounds, making them very versatile.

[Stargate Nerd]

Wouldn't best soldier depend on the mission? You can't really have a soldier who's the best at everything. Everyone has their specialty.

[Darth Hoth]

Are Skitari the same thing as the Tech-Guard?

[Serafina]

Are Skitari the same thing as the Tech-Guard?

The official name is Skitarii, the inofficial name is Tech-Guard. So yes, it is.

[Black Admiral]

Are Skitari the same thing as the Tech-Guard?

Sort of. There are different subtypes of such; I generally use Skitarii to refer to the heavily augmented & weapon-implanted infantry of the Titanicus Legions (and used by the regular Mechanicus for some tasks), and tech-guard to refer to the redshirted dudes who turn up in the Cain & Soul Drinkers novels.

[Hawkwings]

I'd wager that the best soldiers created by the Imperium are the Eversor Assassins. The other assassins don't count because they are much more assassin-y and less soldier-y, but eversors can probably go toe-to-toe with anything on a similar size scale and win.

[IvanTih]

I'd wager that the best soldiers created by the Imperium are the Eversor Assassins. The other assassins don't count because they are much more assassin-y and less soldier-y, but eversors can probably go toe-to-toe with anything on a similar size scale and win.

Well you forgot about Adeptus Custodes(at least pre-heresy ones because post-heresy ones haven't been in a fight in a long time).

[Purple]

Just a q, don't the black templars or iron hands or someone like that do a lot of mechanical limbs and augmentation similar to what the admech does to their elites?

[Darth Tanner]

iron hands

Iron hands marines cut off one of their hands and replace it with an augment at graduation and steadily replace more and more of the squishy bits as they advance in rank. Technically that should make them superior but I dont think it has ever been shown in rules or fluff to be so.

[Black Admiral]

Just a q, don't the black templars or iron hands or someone like that do a lot of mechanical limbs and augmentation similar to what the admech does to their elites?

The Iron Hands do make a lot more use of augmetics than most Astartes Chapters, but they don't, to the best of my knowledge, go in for the same level of mechanical augmentation as the higher-end Mechanicus examples.

[IvanTih]

Just a q, don't the black templars or iron hands or someone like that do a lot of mechanical limbs and augmentation similar to what the admech does to their elites?

The Iron Hands do make a lot more use of augmetics than most Astartes Chapters, but they don't, to the best of my knowledge, go in for the same level of mechanical augmentation as the higher-end Mechanicus examples.

Besides that would make whole creation of the Space Marine useless if they hated flesh so much.Generally I would like to assume that they replace their limbs with bionics and some parts of their brain(the most augumented marines).

[Connor MacLeod]

Define "best". You could create/train/ooptimize soldiers for lots of different tasks, but that doesnt neccesarily provide context. Space Marines are good at Surgical strikes/fast attacks/close quarters battle/psychological warfare/etc. But they tend to suck in the "take/hold ground" variety and they aren't numerous enough to be decisive (and quite possibly too expensive to field in large numbers as well.) The IG could be qualitatively inferior in terms of combat (at least compared to Space Marines) but they are numerous, easily replaced, more easily outfitted and maintained, and can be used to garrison and hold territory against attack.

Lets not fall inot the "Force chart" mentality of thinking, here.

[dworkin]

Surely it's the Emperor, assuming he stops phoning in for a sickie

[The Yosemite Bear]

damn I thought it was the solitare with too much ampetamines....

[dworkin]

If I was in charge of that pack of loonies I'ld phone in sick 'for the forseeable future' too.

[Manus Celer Dei]

It's said they are As far above Space Marines as Space Marines are above men

And in Blood Games a Custodes says that while they are superior to regular Space Marines they're not so much better that it'd be a fight with a certain outcome, and would very much depend on the individual space marine and custode fighting. I think a lot of their reputation is simply hyperbole due them being the Emperor's personal rent-a-cops.

[Sarevok]

Hyperbole in 40K ? Impossible ! If they say in fluff space marines move like blurs then they really run at relativistic speeds causing Doppler shifting around them.

My bad joke aside I think a lot of people are ignoring the Tau empires potential for creating a very powerful soldier. They already field units that are in game stat terms pound for pound stronger than most other factions. So an elite superunit with extreme cost value could actually aesthetically fit into a Tau army setup. Personally I would go for a vastly powerful unit Crisis battlesuit variant - think Iron Man armor from the 2008 movie. It would wipe the floor with any number of space marine or orkish adversaries but due to rarity does not make the Tau army as a whole very unbalanced.

[Black Admiral]

No, it wouldn't. Crisis Suits are not enhanceable to that degree; even combining every bit of super-rare and/or prototype Tau tech and assuming it can be melded into a discreet whole, it would not produce a match for an Astartes Company's Venerable Brothers.

On the subject of Astartes v. Custodes, there are few direct examples to go from, although per (IIRC) Visions of Treachery the Custodes forces deployed at the battle of Prospero scored a 5:1 kill ratio against the Thousand Sons, and in The First Heretic, Spoiler

Three Custodes manage to kill six possessed Word Bearers.