Race Based Scholarships

[Darth Wong]

Of COURSE I understand that you guys are talking about quotas and specific incidents involving quotas. I'm only asking you to look at the fucking subject of the thread, instead of hijacking it.

[ArmorPierce]

Yes, that sux a lot.

A bunch of people tried to mug me at the DeKalb Avenue station a couple of years ago (they didn't succed). But ususally that shit doesn't happen near my school (I go to Brooklyn Tech), 'cause it's hard to mug someone when all 4600 people are moving down DeKalb Ave.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

I usually got attempted mugged when I had less of my gangster/ghetto lookin friends around. One of them (Corey) was always late so he would come in after it started, another one (andross) (who hunged out with the one that was usually late) didn't always come and finally Kevin (my boy www.geocities.com/gontosh/boykevin ) didn't come every day of the week. According to him it was all part of his plan . The rest were mostly a non-factor as they got out of school earlier or didn't go my way.

[Nathan F]

Simply start your own Diploma fondation set increably high requirements and just sit back as your money's not going anywhere and completly tax free until you break up the Foundation and reclaim your money)

How about these requirements:

4.0 GPA through High School

4.0 GPA through College

Quarterbacks of Middle Eastern Descent ONLY, Must Also Be Nuclear Engineering Majors

Must Also Double Major in Theoretical Advanced Calculus

Must Live 350 Miles From The University and Must Be A Commuter Student

[TrailerParkJawa]

I dont care if their are race based scholarships as long as they are not tax payer funded.

It will be interesting in another 20 years to see how things like this work in CA.
Mixed race kids are quite common here.

[Darth Wong]

If mixed-race kids are common, then there's obviously no need for race-targeted scholarships because that level of integration tends to lead to a levelling of the playing field anyway. I think measures like that are intended more for very sharply segregated parts of the country. I suppose one might argue that simply making regional scholarships and targeting them to underprivileged minority-dominated counties would serve the same purpose without offending the various defenders of poor, oppressed whites everywhere.

[Frank_Scenario]

And this proves that affirmative action programs favor people who are not qualified to go to that college over students who are qualified, but happen to be not a minority.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Problems with this statement:
It assumes that there is a single standard for being "qualified" to attend college. Test scores, such as the SAT, predicts 22% of the variance in freshman grades (source: The National Center for Fair and Open Testing); when compared to the cumulative college experience, SAT scores account for only 4% of the variance in grades (same souce). SATs often roughly the same value for predicitions as looking at the education of a potential student's parents (Bowen and Vars, The Black-White Test Score Gap, 1998). Women typically score lower on the SAT than men (on average, 35-40 points) despite the fact that women typically do better in high school and college (source: National Center for Fair and Open Testing). For minorities, the same is true (source: Bowen and Bok, The Shape of the River, 1998). This means that the standard American measure of "qualification" or "merit" is fundamentally flawed.
Moreover, white (and, ostensibly, Asian) students tend to have advantages in education prior to college; poor public schools tend to be overwhelmingly black. Therefore, to ensure equality of opportunity amongst students with roughly equal innate talents.
Make no mistake - we are talking about roughly equal talents here. Minority students accepted to highly selective institutions on affirmative action programs graduate more often than their counterparts at less selective insitutions (source: Bowen and Bok, The Shape of the River).
So what about grades? Texas implemented the the 10% plan, where students in the top 10% of their class in high school are guaranteed acceptance into the state universities. This doesn't work; it is predicated on the assumption that high schools are segregated, and it increases the drop-out rate for minority students. Moreover, it reduces the number of qualified students, minorities or otherwise, who get into college. Finally, without race-based scholarships to match, the students who would benefit from these programs cannot do so, as they simply cannot afford to go to school (sources: Bowen and Bok; Plous, S. - "Ten Myths About Affirmative Education" from the Journal of Social Issues)
Finally, without affirmative action programs like race-based scholarships, the enrollment of blacks at selective universities would drop to about 2% (Bowen and Bok), perpetuating the problems of racial inequality that affirmative action works to remedy.

With regards to class-based scholarships: According to Thomas Kane, "among all students from families with incomes under $20,000 who also finished in the top tenth of their high school class, only one in six is black or Hispanic." The number of poor minorities who succeed in school is very low; giving scholarships based on class results in a lack in racial diversity.