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So the government has ordered workers to refrain from reading Wikileaks, or any media source which discloses information from them. So if FoxNews puts out a story on a Wikileaks cabal, federal workers aren't allowed to read it but everyone else can. Apparently if the FedGov workers and contractors aren't exposed to the secret cabals, everyone can pretend that everything is fine, or something.

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Government Workers Ordered Not to Read Cables
By ERIC LIPTON
Published: December 4, 2010

WASHINGTON — In a classic case of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, the Obama administration and the Department of Defense have ordered the hundreds of thousands of federal employees and contractors not to view the secret cables and other classified documents published by Wikileaks and news organizations around the world unless the workers have the required security clearance or authorization.

“Classified information, whether or not already posted on public websites or disclosed to the media, remains classified, and must be treated as such by federal employees and contractors, until it is declassified by an appropriate U.S. Government authority,” said the notice sent on Friday afternoon by the Office of Management and Budget, which is part of the White House, to agency and department heads, urging them to distribute it to their staff.

The directive applies to both government computers and private devices that employees or contractors might have, as long as they are accessing the documents on nonclassified government networks. It does not advise agencies to block WikiLeaks or other websites on government computer systems, a White House official said Saturday. And it does not prohibit federal employees from reading news stories about the topic. But if they have “accidentially” already downloaded any of these documents, they are being told to notify their “information security offices.”

The Department of Defense, in its own directive to military personnel and contractors, says that simply viewing these documents, without proper authorization, will violate long-standing rules even though they are accessible to the public at large on Internet sites.

"Viewing or downloading still classified documents from unclassified government computers creates a security violation," a spokeswoman said in a statement on Saturday.

The effort, while understandable, seems entirely futile, said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington nonprofit group that has combated government efforts to keep certain government documents secret.

“It just may be a little too late for the government to push these documents down the memory hole,” Mr. Rotenberg said, adding that his center did not support the initial public release of the material. “This is Orwell thought police in the age of the Internet, as these are already so widely accessible on servers around the world.”The Library of Congress has joined in the push, blocked visitors to its reading rooms, or anyone else using its computer system, from accessing the WikiLeaks site, noting that “unauthorized disclosures of classified documents do not alter the documents’ classified status or automatically result in declassification of the documents.”

The moves have not apparently discouraged staff at WikiLeaks, as the organization continues to post Twitter feeds mocking the efforts to limit access to the documents, including one note on Saturday reading: “Digital McCarthyism: U.S. Military Tries to Intimidate Soldiers Into Not Reading Wikileaks”.
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It does not advise agencies to block WikiLeaks or other websites on government computer systems, a White House official said Saturday. And it does not prohibit federal employees from reading news stories about the topic. But if they have “accidentially” already downloaded any of these documents, they are being told to notify their “information security offices.”
Reading about the subject on the news is fine. Directly downloading the classified files is not.
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Columbia University students were 'advised' by an alumnus that students interested in federal employment in the future should refrain from posting about the leaks on social media like Facebook and Twitter. It could interfere with their security clearances or something.
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The directive applies to both government computers and private devices that employees or contractors might have, as long as they are accessing the documents on nonclassified government networks. It does not advise agencies to block WikiLeaks or other websites on government computer systems, a White House official said Saturday. And it does not prohibit federal employees from reading news stories about the topic. But if they have “accidentially” already downloaded any of these documents, they are being told to notify their “information security offices.”
Whoever wrote this article did a really bad job of it. Either that or Aerius is an idiot. The only thing they're banned from is accessing wikileaks on government networks. Whether they do it on their own network at home is irrelevant, and they're not banned from reading about cables on media sites.

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The memo, sent to general counsels at various government agencies and obtained by CNN, explains that the publishing by WikiLeaks does "not alter the documents' classified status or automatically result in declassification of the documents."

"To the contrary, classified information, whether or not already posted on public websites or disclosed to the media remains classified, and must be treated as such by federal employees and contractors, until it is declassified by an appropriate U.S. Government authority," the memo said.

The memo does allow for reading of articles about the cables on media sites.

OMB spokesperson Moira Mack said the memo "does not advise agencies to block WikiLeaks or other websites on government computer systems."

"This is principally about protecting government IT systems," Mack said.

She described the memo as a template for agencies to use as guidance, saying it "restates and reinforces existing restrictions on access to classified documents by unauthorized personnel or on computers that access the web via non-classified government systems."

Asked if employees could lose their jobs if they access the WikiLeaks website on personal or government computers or devices, Mack told CNN, "Any breaches of protocols governing access to classified material are subject to applicable sanctions under long-standing and existing law."
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Certainly having made any positive comments in favour of Assange would be a severe negative in a security clearance procedure, as it means you are a security risk for leaking documents. It's quite likely then that anyone who blogged about Assange in a positive way who tried to obtain a security clearance would have it refused, and the prospect of government employment eliminated. Anyone who had been accessing the classified documents would also, certainly, be seen as potentially participating in an espionage activity and definitely denied government employment. This is simply what one would expect. The idea that someone can access Wikileaks without destroying their future US government career prospects seems pretty silly to me, I sure as hell haven't touched the site for precisely that reason. There's just a level of responsibility expected out of people who might be handling secured data.
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I haven't been there or looked at anything being mentioned, except when the debate came up here. I just don't care, since I think Assange and his pet project are just knee-jerk anti-US axe-grinders. Generally, my reaction to the leaks is that we should have been more careful, and in the meantime the people that provide the documents/leaks really better not be surprised if they end up in jail, with their careers ruined, at minimum. They're playing a stupidly dangerous game, since technically, spilling government documents (especially military ones) in time of war could actually earn charges of treason and come under the death penalty if anyone wanted to push it.
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Coyote wrote:I haven't been there or looked at anything being mentioned, except when the debate came up here. I just don't care, since I think Assange and his pet project are just knee-jerk anti-US axe-grinders. Generally, my reaction to the leaks is that we should have been more careful, and in the meantime the people that provide the documents/leaks really better not be surprised if they end up in jail, with their careers ruined, at minimum. They're playing a stupidly dangerous game, since technically, spilling government documents (especially military ones) in time of war could actually earn charges of treason and come under the death penalty if anyone wanted to push it.
There is no declared state of war. That is also an important distinction.
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Coyote wrote:I haven't been there or looked at anything being mentioned, except when the debate came up here. I just don't care, since I think Assange and his pet project are just knee-jerk anti-US axe-grinders.
This is the third thread where you have gone on like this, without providing a shred of evidence or replying to posts on the issue. Don't do it again, or prepare to suffer the consequences.
They're playing a stupidly dangerous game, since technically, spilling government documents (especially military ones) in time of war could actually earn charges of treason and come under the death penalty if anyone wanted to push it.
Yes. On the other hand, I'd be pretty much pissed if they execute a guy for revealing that Obama lied regarding his willingness to abolish torture.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Certainly having made any positive comments in favour of Assange would be a severe negative in a security clearance procedure, as it means you are a security risk for leaking documents. It's quite likely then that anyone who blogged about Assange in a positive way who tried to obtain a security clearance would have it refused, and the prospect of government employment eliminated. Anyone who had been accessing the classified documents would also, certainly, be seen as potentially participating in an espionage activity and definitely denied government employment. This is simply what one would expect. The idea that someone can access Wikileaks without destroying their future US government career prospects seems pretty silly to me, I sure as hell haven't touched the site for precisely that reason. There's just a level of responsibility expected out of people who might be handling secured data.
I don't even know how to think like that. Fucking Wikipedia links to dozens of cables in the citations in the relevant articles. The fucking Guardian has a bunch of cables up. The genie is blown way the fuck out of the bottle, there is almost no way to not get exposed to the cables if you are anywhere outside the US. The fucking CBC has a search function to let you find leaks relating specifically to Canada, for fuck's sake!

Telling people that you will be in shit for reading them when they're basically everywhere is pretty retarded. This isn't some shady corner of the internet; this is a major news story, and people are naturally going to be curious enough to look at the damn site themselves just to see what everyone is talking about.
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Phantasee wrote: Telling people that you will be in shit for reading them when they're basically everywhere is pretty retarded. This isn't some shady corner of the internet; this is a major news story, and people are naturally going to be curious enough to look at the damn site themselves just to see what everyone is talking about.
They're not saying that they'll be in shit for just reading them. They're saying they'll be in shit for reading them on government networks. There is a difference here.
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I've looked at them on the main wikileaks websites, but I haven't actually posted about them on Facebook or anything like that.

What about the cables posted on the main news sites? The New York Times, for example, has not only articles written on them, but the cables they cited there as well.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I've looked at them on the main wikileaks websites, but I haven't actually posted about them on Facebook or anything like that.

What about the cables posted on the main news sites? The New York Times, for example, has not only articles written on them, but the cables they cited there as well.
I answered that question several posts up.
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aerius wrote:The directive applies to both government computers and private devices that employees or contractors might have, as long as they are accessing the documents on nonclassified government networks. It does not advise agencies to block WikiLeaks or other websites on government computer systems, a White House official said Saturday. And it does not prohibit federal employees from reading news stories about the topic. But if they have “accidentially” already downloaded any of these documents, they are being told to notify their “information security offices.”
This is prohibition against reading/accessing the site while at work. If your employer supplies you with a computer for work purposes it's not your computer, it still belongs to your employer and said employer can make such rules. If you're supplying the computer but using the employer's networks the same rule applies.

I have not heard about a prohibition of government employees or contractors accessing these sites on their own machines outside of work hours.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Certainly having made any positive comments in favour of Assange would be a severe negative in a security clearance procedure, as it means you are a security risk for leaking documents.
This is true. It may not entirely kill your chances of getting a clearance (depends on the comment and the clearance) but it will certainly not act in your favor.
Anyone who had been accessing the classified documents would also, certainly, be seen as potentially participating in an espionage activity and definitely denied government employment. This is simply what one would expect. The idea that someone can access Wikileaks without destroying their future US government career prospects seems pretty silly to me, I sure as hell haven't touched the site for precisely that reason. There's just a level of responsibility expected out of people who might be handling secured data.
Work around #1: Go to public library and use their computer system. Of course, you're still risking being identified, but it's a small chance.

Work around #2: Borrow a friend's or family member's computer and check it out "disguised" as them.

But really, the concern is somewhat overblown here. Given the media saturation of the story it's impossible not to be exposed to WikiLeaks on some level, or avoid reading actual cables which are frequently reproduced in media right now. Don't read this stuff on government equipment or networks, don't comment on it publicly, and don't disseminate it. That should adequately cover your ass in regards to government employment.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I've looked at them on the main wikileaks websites, but I haven't actually posted about them on Facebook or anything like that.

What about the cables posted on the main news sites? The New York Times, for example, has not only articles written on them, but the cables they cited there as well.
I answered that question several posts up.
Yes, artices about the cables. What about the primary source documents actually posted on the website, which the New York Times is doing?
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I've looked at them on the main wikileaks websites, but I haven't actually posted about them on Facebook or anything like that.

What about the cables posted on the main news sites? The New York Times, for example, has not only articles written on them, but the cables they cited there as well.
I answered that question several posts up.
Yes, artices about the cables. What about the primary source documents actually posted on the website, which the New York Times is doing?
Then don't go to websites known to post the documents themselves? That question was answered in my post too.
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Phantasee wrote: Telling people that you will be in shit for reading them when they're basically everywhere is pretty retarded. This isn't some shady corner of the internet; this is a major news story, and people are naturally going to be curious enough to look at the damn site themselves just to see what everyone is talking about.
They're not saying that they'll be in shit for just reading them. They're saying they'll be in shit for reading them on government networks. There is a difference here.
I was responding to Duchess. :)

I was slightly more offended by the suggestion to Columbia students that they shouldn't discuss the story. That kind of pressure is what led Amazon to drop Wikileaks, and seeing it applied to fucking students who SHOULD be discussing these kinds of things leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Coyote wrote:I haven't been there or looked at anything being mentioned, except when the debate came up here. I just don't care, since I think Assange and his pet project are just knee-jerk anti-US axe-grinders.
This is the third thread where you have gone on like this, without providing a shred of evidence or replying to posts on the issue. Don't do it again, or prepare to suffer the consequences.
What are you talking about? The most constant target of WikiLeaks has been the USA. I know folks here have pointed out that Germany and others have been victims, but not on the scale of the US. If you want proof, go to WikiLeaks and start counting articles. I also have been careful to say "I think Assange/WikiLeaks is an anti-US axe-grinder" which would imply that it is my opinion, rather than something I stated as a fact. I also provided a reference to an NPR interview where one of his former staffers had said that there was internal dissent over Assange's decision to focus mostly on US items. Unfortunately, I cannot find a transcript because when I enter things like "WikiLeaks internal dissent" pretty much all I get are the rape-charge items from bloggers, which I dismiss as bullshit (the rape charges). The interview was a few days ago and they may not have the transcripts up yet.

What I CAN find is part of a Der Spiegel interview, where Daniel Schmitt (nom-de-plume of the former WikiLeaks public spokesman) said the following:
DER SPIEGEL: By the publication of the secret Afghanistan reports, also by DER SPIEGEL, you have come into conflict with the world power of the USA. Washington threatens you with prosecution because of espionage, WikiLeaks supporters have been contacted by the FBI. Bradley Manning, one of your alleged informants, sits in the prison. Are you afraid of great public pressure?

Schmitt: No, public pressure is part of the endeavor. But this direct confrontation with the USA is not what we intended. We were always against corruption and abuse, to uncover the exercise of power wherever that takes place, whether in a small location generally speaking or the whole world.
I am guessing that the NPR interview was part of a follow-up on that. Assange in particular seems more keen on going after the US, and his site follows. Schmitt has in fact left WikiLeaks and intends to set up his own, rival site.
They're playing a stupidly dangerous game, since technically, spilling government documents (especially military ones) in time of war could actually earn charges of treason and come under the death penalty if anyone wanted to push it.
Yes. On the other hand, I'd be pretty much pissed if they execute a guy for revealing that Obama lied regarding his willingness to abolish torture.
Fine, which is probably why they're not going to push the issue. Remember, I said "technically... if anyone wanted to push it". It would be a PR nightmare, but it could be done. Remember that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed for conspiracy to commit treason --the treason had not actually happened yet, they were just convicted of conspiring to do it-- in 1953, when there was no declared war.
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If the government is background checking someone at this point, and asks if you've read or discussed anything to anyone about WikiLeaks and you answer "No" they aren't going to believe you anyway. If you respond "Of course - it's all over the media, the New York Times is publishing source material, and my family and I have talked about it 'round the dinner table and me and some friends over lunch in the school cafeteria at college" THEN they'll believe you, because that's plausible.
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Why would the motives of Wikileaks even matter? Does it lessen the embarrassment or illegality by claiming that the USA is 'unfairly targeted'?
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Stark, I believe the concern is that by being anti-US it might lead to WikiLeaks publishing something that could get innocent people hurt or killed if the impetus to hurt the US is great enough. Also, if they only focus on the US sins and crimes then other people in other countries are getting away with shit that should also be exposed (if you feel exposing such things is important and should be done) but isn't. On top of that, by getting the US government completely pissed off and looking in its toolkit for ways to fuck up whistleblowers it might make it harder in the future to get out information on anyone else being an asshat.

At least, that's what I've gathered are the main objections, once you get past the hysterics.

If WikiLeaks wants to be anti-US, well, I certainly can't stop them (and they'd hardly be unique) but if so I'd appreciate if they were openly so rather than pretending to be un-biased. I am taking into account that they got a HUGE stack of stuff on the US, which will skew perceptions particularly since it's the release of that stack of stuff that has made them into a household word and overshadowed prior dirt published on other nations/organizations. I said in another thread I'll give them a year and see what they've done - if it's all-US all the time then I'll conclude they're anti-US. If it's a mix of stuff, OK, they want to piss off everyone.
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If it becomes nothing but an anti-US attack site, then why wouldn't an adversarial state or organization just plant a bunch of crap? After all, if WikiLeaks will never look up Iran's skirt, for example, then Iran can start feeding all sorts of crap about how Obama molests his daughters and uses the Secret Service to cover it up, etc.
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That's not what Coyote is saying, he's just saying 'I don't like it because it says mean things about the US'. Given the activities of the US in the past decade alone, being 'anti-US' seems like a reasonable position to me.
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Stark wrote:That's not what Coyote is saying, he's just saying 'I don't like it because it says mean things about the US'.
No, actually I'm not. I don't mind them confronting the things that need to be confronted; torture is one and I think if they go through with bank leaks that might be useful. What disappoints me --and causes me to see them as just another anti-US site-- is that they go after the US primarily and appear to let other countries do shit without a care or concern at all.
Given the activities of the US in the past decade alone, being 'anti-US' seems like a reasonable position to me.
Yes, of course, because the US is the only country on the face of the planet doing bad things that need to be exposed. So, then, the Australian government has been a sterling example of purity and goodness, I suppose? No back-room deals, no dirty politics, no PMs jumping on war bandwagons in other countries on pretenses, hmmmm? Must be nice in the Kingdom of Unicorns.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Re: Government bans workers from reading WikiLeaks

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Coyote wrote: No, actually I'm not. I don't mind them confronting the things that need to be confronted; torture is one and I think if they go through with bank leaks that might be useful. What disappoints me --and causes me to see them as just another anti-US site-- is that they go after the US primarily and appear to let other countries do shit without a care or concern at all.
Why should it be up to wikileaks to decide what needs to be confronted?
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Re: Government bans workers from reading WikiLeaks

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Do you really not understand how that isn't a defence? Here's a hint - you can be anti-US (a militarist, uncontrollable yet incompetent nation visiting brutality on their own citizens and others) while AT THE SAME TIME being anti-whoever. Amazing, no? Indeed, if someone held that torture was bad, they'd be anti-US and anti-a bunch of other guys! Being anti-US is hardly a bad thing... unless you're a US patriot too cowardly or stupid to be appalled by their own government.

Its almost like your objection is fucking childish. Everyone in these threads who says WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH BUT YOUR COUNTRY ISN'T PERFECT is a fucking moron. It turns out that that is OBVIOUSLY IRRELEVANT and only a butthurt child or intellectual coward would even suggest it as some kind of defence or mitigating circumstance. :lol:

Even if Wikileaks is 'just another anti-US site', how does that attack the veracity of their sources or the outrageous behaviour of various governments? Its almost like you're attacking the messenger because you can't attack the evidence!
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